Marijauna Myth's

[The Ninja]

you must have a really sad life if you have to keep smoking something just so you can have some fun and yeah theres no point in fighting for it to be legal because for the people who smoke it its not going to matter if it is legal or not. They are going to smoke either way. Unless you grow your own you are basically wasting your money. Paying a lot of money just for a little pot is dumb as hell. Most of my friends smoke or have smoked at one point and they just looked stupid to me for doin it. And for all those people who say it is not bad how come a lot of people go to rehab for it? If its not bad then they should be able to control it and have no problem. Looks like you have one if your in rehab. And this might just be me but all the people i know that smoke really are dumb as fuck and i mean dumb as in not book smart.

Lmao, apply your same argument to alcohol.

1) People are fucking retarded when they are inebriated.
2a) Alcohol ain't cheap, unless its shitty alcohol (Natural Ice), but even mids are better than that. For the $12 you spend on a 12pack of natty ice or w/e you can buy yourself a dime and roll 2 blunts and be straight.
2b) How much is a handle of Crown Royal? Grey Goose? Fuck that, how much is a bottle of Cristal??? Compare that to an 1/8th of Northern Lights? How about Purp? What about Dank? Hell even Beasties??? Weed is cheaper for the thrill.
3) Those people who go to rehab had pre-existing conditions, do you know what they teach you in rehab? Have you been? Its not because of weed they go, they go because of not knowing how to deal with problems. Rehab basically teaches you "coping mechanisms".

How come people don't go to rehab when they want to quit smoking cigarettes but truly can't???????

[90_ACCORD]

Lmao, apply your same argument to alcohol.

1) People are fucking retarded when they are inebriated.
2a) Alcohol ain't cheap, unless its shitty alcohol (Natural Ice), but even mids are better than that. For the $12 you spend on a 12pack of natty ice or w/e you can buy yourself a dime and roll 2 blunts and be straight.
2b) How much is a handle of Crown Royal? Grey Goose? Fuck that, how much is a bottle of Cristal??? Compare that to an 1/8th of Northern Lights? How about Purp? What about Dank? Hell even Beasties??? Weed is cheaper for the thrill.
3) Those people who go to rehab had pre-existing conditions, do you know what they teach you in rehab? Have you been? Its not because of weed they go, they go because of not knowing how to deal with problems. Rehab basically teaches you "coping mechanisms".

How come people don't go to rehab when they want to quit smoking cigarettes but truly can't???????

ok well i guess i should have mentioned that i feel the same way about drinking like i do about weed. i dont drink either and i think that is even more stupid since ive seen a lot more of my friends get in trouble for drinking more than smoking. Not everyone goes for pre-existing conditions tho. You should also be able to tell by what i wrote that I have never been to rehad and i dont plan on doing anything that could help me end up there. look at cigarettes tho. They do not change the way you see things and how you react tho thing. They may calm you down and make you a little more relaxed but they dont change your preception on things.

[The Ninja]

ok well i guess i should have mentioned that i feel the same way about drinking like i do about weed. i dont drink either and i think that is even more stupid since ive seen a lot more of my friends get in trouble for drinking more than smoking. Not everyone goes for pre-existing conditions tho. You should also be able to tell by what i wrote that I have never been to rehad and i dont plan on doing anything that could help me end up there. look at cigarettes tho. They do not change the way you see things and how you react tho thing. They may calm you down and make you a little more relaxed but they dont change your preception on things.

They calm you down?

Have you ever smoked a cigarette and tried to hold your hand steady?? "Calming your nerves" only applies to those who have smoked and become addicted to cigarretes (meaning their brain doesn't produce certain chemicals and has come to rely on the user's intake of those chemicals from cigarettes). In which case you can argue that a person becomes irrational and irate when WITHOUT cigarettes, symptoms of withdrawal.

Try again.

Chocolate changes your perception on things.

[90_ACCORD]

They calm you down?

Have you ever smoked a cigarette and tried to hold your hand steady?? "Calming your nerves" only applies to those who have smoked and become addicted to cigarretes (meaning their brain doesn't produce certain chemicals and has come to rely on the user's intake of those chemicals from cigarettes). In which case you can argue that a person becomes irrational and irate when WITHOUT cigarettes, symptoms of withdrawal.

Try again.

Chocolate changes your perception on things.

i was talking about people who smoke cigarettes and are adiccted to them. not first time users.

Please tell me how chocolate changes your perception?

[GTScoob]

And for all those people who say it is not bad how come a lot of people go to rehab for it? If its not bad then they should be able to control it and have no problem. Looks like you have one if your in rehab. And this might just be me but all the people i know that smoke really are dumb as fuck and i mean dumb as in not book smart.

Have you ever sucked a dick for WEED?

If you're in rehab for weed, god help you if you ever break a bone and get put on any sort of LEGAL painkiller.

The government should be a lot less worried at weed and focus more of an effort on controlling prescription drugs like Oxycontin, Aderal, Vyvans, Percosets, etc. They're either pure synthetic opiates (IE heroin) or pure synthetic amphetamines (IE meth) and are rapidly becoming much more popular than weed. Or step up stopping the trafficking of harmful drugs like cocaine and heroin that do have legitimate ties to international terror.

I'm surprised that the argument of the increased potency of weed these days hasnt come up because thats a big one that the lawmakers bring up. I'm also surprised that the tobacco industries have not noticed their mortality and tried to legalize pot due to the increased anti-smoking legislation. They already have the existing infrastructure for manufacturing and distribution of cigarettes, regardless of what is rolled up inside.

I heard from a friend last night that Amsterdam will be going dry in 2010, so all of you smokers, get over there beforehand. But dont worry, the Cannabis Cup is already planning to move to an underground facility in California

[GTScoob]

And who the hell smokes anymore? Sell your bongs and get a Volcano.

[99hatch]

And who the hell smokes anymore? Sell your bongs and get a Volcano.

Hot damn, Amen to that. That takes away 95% of all toxins and smoke out of the picture. Not to mention makes it last longer.

[eViLMunkey]

Hot damn, Amen to that. That takes away 95% of all toxins and smoke out of the picture. Not to mention makes it last longer.

I HIGHLY Agree w/ that... pun intended

[The Ninja]

Hot damn, Amen to that. That takes away 95% of all toxins and smoke out of the picture. Not to mention makes it last longer.

Its all about convenience #1.

You can't carry a volcano around in your pocket.

[Sport1.3]

you must have a really sad life if you have to keep smoking something just so you can have some fun and yeah theres no point in fighting for it to be legal because for the people who smoke it its not going to matter if it is legal or not. They are going to smoke either way. Unless you grow your own you are basically wasting your money. Paying a lot of money just for a little pot is dumb as hell. Most of my friends smoke or have smoked at one point and they just looked stupid to me for doin it. And for all those people who say it is not bad how come a lot of people go to rehab for it? If its not bad then they should be able to control it and have no problem. Looks like you have one if your in rehab. And this might just be me but all the people i know that smoke really are dumb as fuck and i mean dumb as in not book smart.

I know some really smart "potheads"......very intellectual and deep thinking people, who I can entertain a conversation with for hours on end....problem is, most of them do nothing with their gifted thought process or imagination (not all). I wholeheartedly believe the drug has no more harmful effects on the human body than any other legal means of self intoxication....like alcohol and tobacco products. I myself have smoked it a few times and am neither addicted nor am I any less intelligent for doing so. A lot of great imaginative things have come from marijuana influenced minds, no doubt.....I just think some ppl have addictive tendencies, when they have something they really like....they push themselves to the point of a mental addiction. And like most addictions, they consume a part of your being.....they change you in some ways, and most often keep you from attaining life goals...I have no problem legalizing it, in fact I am against most government subsidized commodities.....we should be free to do with our bodies as we please. I do however think a strict enforcement on when and where the drug is consumed is completely relevant

[90_ACCORD]

I know some really smart "potheads"......very intellectual and deep thinking people, who I can entertain a conversation with for hours on end....problem is, most of them do nothing with their gifted thought process or imagination (not all). I wholeheartedly believe the drug has no more harmful effects on the human body than any other legal means of self intoxication....like alcohol and tobacco products. I myself have smoked it a few times and am neither addicted nor am I any less intelligent for doing so. A lot of great imaginative things have come from marijuana influenced minds, no doubt.....I just think some ppl have addictive tendencies, when they have something they really like....they push themselves to the point of a mental addiction. And like most addictions, they consume a part of your being.....they change you in some ways, and most often keep you from attaining life goals...I have no problem legalizing it, in fact I am against most government subsidized commodities.....we should be free to do with our bodies as we please. I do however think a strict enforcement on when and where the drug is consumed is completely relevant

yeah i had this kid in my class when i was a senior in high school and this kid smoked just about everyday. He was smart as hell to. He had the best grade in the class. Now that we all graduated tho he is the only one not doing shit with his life. he should be doing better than eberyone else in that class but he would much rather smoke than make something of himself. He would be a lot better off without pot.

[The Ninja]

what study was this and where was it done? Being less likely to be involved in a fatal accident and being a responsible/safe driver are 2 completely different things. Yeah sure its gonna be less fatal when i'm doing 16 mph in the far right lane on 75

I'm willing to believe, without looking up the research, that this is due to the relaxed influence that pot gives a person. Similarly to how a drunk driver is more likely to survive an accident than someone sober. The user lacks the proper reflex to brace for impact which traditionally leads to more injury. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

You both apparently didn't read the "wall-o-text". I had nothing better to do, so I did read it. It was even in bold, c'mon guys.

The Victorian Institute of Forensic Pathology and Monash University's Department of Forensic Medicine in Melbourne, Australia have found that drivers who use cannabis are actually less likely to cause fatal accidents than drug-free drivers, and are no more likely than other drivers to be killed or seriously injured in road accidents. One experiment tested marijuana-intoxicated drivers on both a closed course and on a crowded city street. It found that the elements of driving most affected were concentration and judgment. An experiment involving a driving simulator that tested actual driving ability according to how many mistakes are incurred by sober, drunk, and high subjects found that marijuana, unlike alcohol, does not significantly affect driving ability. It was found that these results hold true for even higher doses (within reason) and inexperienced marijuana users. In fact, the only significant difference reported by the stoned subjects was an altered perception of time, which effectively made them drive relatively slower.

[Sport1.3]

You both apparently didn't read the "wall-o-text". I had nothing better to do, so I did read it. It was even in bold, c'mon guys.

i apologize, i didn’t fully read the original post

though...

Nothing in that statement says anything about it being "safer" while driving under the influence than driving completely sober.....taking a statistic with a far greater amount of non smoking people involved is rather skewed, don’t you think?.....thats like saying its more dangerous (although less lethal) to drive in rain or snow than it is to drive drunk...just because of the sheer amount of accidents caused by that specific event each year over drinking related accidents (non fatal statistic)

the statement: "One experiment tested marijuana-intoxicated drivers on both a closed course and on a crowded city street. It found that the elements of driving most affected were concentration and judgment."

Both qualities are important while driving a motor vehicle..... I have myself driven VERY high and while entertaining, it was anything but safe.

[The Ninja]

Also, not everyone smokes weed to have "fun". Some people smoke it because it just feels good, and/or helps them relax.

Get home from a long hard day at work. Roll a blunt, sit on your couch and watch the game.

[Tracy]

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[The Ninja]

Even if it does make you a couch potato, etc. what right does the government have to tell someone they cannot ingest said substance? About as much right as the government has in saying which sex you can marry.

[Maniacc]

I'm not a pot head but I do smoke occasionally - usually after work 'n shit.

And I would really like cliffs on this thread. Are we talking about why weed is bad, why weed should be legal, ect ect.?

[The Ninja]

Cliffs (Minus the banter between Ran and Tracy):
-Debunking Myths about Weed
-Notifying public of Tobacco & Alcohol companies efforts at suppressing the legalization/decriminalization of weed

Thats about it, other than those (who're usually uninformed) voicing their opinion as fact and having said "fact" be debunked.

[Maniacc]

-Debunking Myths about Weed

A lot of people say it's bad and a lot of people say it's not harmful at all.

As a smoker I will obviously sit here and say it's not bad but we're all smart and know that anything that involves smokin' or drinking is bad in one way or another to our bodies. Is it life threatening? I doubt it - but I do know some people who have changed once they let the weed start controlling them.

Any physical or mental damage though?

Maybe if you smoke a blunt a day for the rest of your life.

-Notifying public of Tobacco & Alcohol companies efforts at suppressing the legalization/decriminalization of weed.

What I don't understand is why weed is illegal when cigarettes aren't? When they pump cigarettes full of deadly chemicals such as DDT and cyanide, causes all sorts of disease, kills I don't know how many per year, and doesn't have one single beneficial effect (such as getting high)?

Well, the almighty dollar is the reason of course. Either outlaw cigarettes(yeah right) or legalize/decriminalize marijuana and regulate it. There's a shitload of money to be made in taxes, and they could use it for sure. Perhaps there'd be enough for health care if marijuana were legalized.

But then again, doing something like that might actually lead to more sensible policies in the future, and satan forbid that should ever happen.

[90_ACCORD]

A lot of people say it's bad and a lot of people say it's not harmful at all.

As a smoker I will obviously sit here and say it's not bad but we're all smart and know that anything that involves smokin' or drinking is bad in one way or another to our bodies. Is it life threatening? I doubt it - but I do know some people who have changed once they let the weed start controlling them.

Any physical or mental damage though?

Maybe if you smoke a blunt a day for the rest of your life.

Actually i think it was in the OP but it did say it could lead to 2 types of cancer not because of what is in it but because of the fact it is smoke and you are taking it into your body.

[Maniacc]

Actually i think it was in the OP but it did say it could lead to 2 types of cancer not because of what is in it but because of the fact it is smoke and you are taking it into your body.

Are you blind or just alittle slow?

That's why I said this:

As a smoker I will obviously sit here and say it's not bad but we're all smart and know that anything that involves smokin' or drinking is bad in one way or another to our bodies

[Maniacc]

Awesome - thanks dude.

Unfortunately I'm on my way out the door and won't be back on til tonight. But I will definitely post up my two cents about this as soon as I can.

[The Creeper]

I think weed should be legalized and the government should tax the hell out of it and make lots of money. In the same sense though, doesn't weed in a sense support laziness? Ive never seen a friend High and just want to go out and conquer the world, they are more like couch potatoes. This country doesn't need to get any lazier then it already is, but I still don't think thats enough to keep marijuana illegal. Legalizing it would also save a lot of time and money in the court systems and jail systems. Alcohol and cigarettes are much more harmful then marijuana. Alcohol specifically, which is why laws keep getting more strict on drunk driving and such. Cigarettes on the other hand, are a thousand times more addictive then marijuana could ever be. I smoke a pack, pack and a half, everyday consistently. This costs me around 150$ a month. This shows any addiction is costly. Alcohol is even more costly then smoking, or generally most other addictions if you are a true alcoholic. Either way, I am all for legalizing and regulating marijuana, then law makers and law enforcers can focus on more damaging and harder drugs. Just my .02 cents....

[The Ninja]

I think weed should be legalized and the government should tax the hell out of it and make lots of money. In the same sense though, doesn't weed in a sense support laziness? Ive never seen a friend High and just want to go out and conquer the world, they are more like couch potatoes. This country doesn't need to get any lazier then it already is, but I still don't think thats enough to keep marijuana illegal. Legalizing it would also save a lot of time and money in the court systems and jail systems. Alcohol and cigarettes are much more harmful then marijuana. Alcohol specifically, which is why laws keep getting more strict on drunk driving and such. Cigarettes on the other hand, are a thousand times more addictive then marijuana could ever be. I smoke a pack, pack and a half, everyday consistently. This costs me around 150$ a month. This shows any addiction is costly. Alcohol is even more costly then smoking, or generally most other addictions if you are a true alcoholic. Either way, I am all for legalizing and regulating marijuana, then law makers and law enforcers can focus on more damaging and harder drugs. Just my .02 cents....

Damn, homie, the money factor alone would make me quit. SHIT! $150 a month?!

[The Creeper]

Damn, homie, the money factor alone would make me quit. SHIT! $150 a month?!

I know man, when you add it up like that, its sick isnt it? After being addicted for years though, 150$ a month is a small price to pay for your sanity haha.

[nreggie454]

Why do rehab clinics have high numbers of marijuana addicts?

Because everybody knows that you can get a drug charge lessened by going to rehab.


The main reason why I believe marijuana should be legalized is that practically all of the premises used for criminalizing it have been proven wrong or to be highly exaggerated.

Also, about the Netherlands and eliminating "coffee shops:" this is due to he high number of "drug tourists" who go to the border cities of the Netherlands, stock up on weed, and then smuggle it back to their home countries where it is illegal. This pisses off the other countries and puts pressure on the Dutch. Also, the government is ruled mostly by conservative Christian Democrats (lol oxymoron) who oppose marijuana while the Dutch public has no problems with it and actually want to legalize personal growing.

[99hatch]

In all honesty we all know it should be legal. It was in this country up untill the mid 1930's. Even Thomas Jefferson has been quoted as saying (im paraphrasing so bare with me) "Some of my best ideas and inventions have come from an afternoon of smoking hemp on the back porch and observing nature." Alcohol was illegal when Cannibus was Legal. So its the Corporations and the government that is swapped it back.

Secondly Cannibus is a plant that grows naturally like any other crop. Its not changed and altered like meth. It just grows and was put here by God (I believe, lets not turn this into a holy war), where as alcohol was invented by man.

[Sport1.3]

Secondly Cannibus is a plant that grows naturally like any other crop. Its not changed and altered like meth. It just grows and was put here by God (I believe, lets not turn this into a holy war), where as alcohol was invented by man.

Naturally fermented fruit when exposed to the correct types of bacteria produces trace alcohol

a piece of bread becoming wet and simply forgotten, After a short time, can ferment to produce inebriating pulp....this lead to pulp wines (effectively the first mash) and then eventually to beer as we know it. Something like 6000 yrs ago, it was Discovered, not invented

just like anything else, an idea or discovery can be taken and made better over time......indeed pot and the ways in which it is cultivated have come along way

[99hatch]

Naturally fermented fruit when exposed to the correct types of bacteria produces trace alcohol

a piece of bread becoming wet and simply forgotten, After a short time, can ferment to produce inebriating pulp....this lead to pulp wines (effectively the first mash) and then eventually to beer as we know it. Something like 6000 yrs ago, it was Discovered, not invented

just like anything else, an idea or discovery can be taken and made better over time......indeed pot and the ways in which it is cultivated have come along way

Well I was mostly referencing Hard Liquor since that is what kills most people when they OD on Alcohol. Beer is a bit harder to OD on.

[Catnip]

Secondly Cannibus is a plant that grows naturally like any other crop. Its not changed and altered like meth. It just grows and was put here by God (I believe, lets not turn this into a holy war), where as alcohol was invented by man.

Why don't you point some poison ivy up to your mouth? It's made by God too

[R3RUN]

Why don't you point some poison ivy up to your mouth? It's made by God too

Yea but poison ivy isn't America's number one cash crop...

[Catnip]

Yea but poison ivy isn't America's number one cash crop...

What's your point? Neither is cancer but it's natural and a lot of people have it.























that was wrong

[R3RUN]

What's your point? Neither is cancer but it's natural and a lot of people have it.

I'm sure cancer is making a lot of people in this country very very rich.


I didn't really have a point though.

[Sport1.3]

Yea but poison ivy isn't America's number one cash crop...

By government funded studies ESTIMATING the average cultivation and consumption, as opposed to real figures taken by cash crops such as corn and soy beans....Not the mention the average market value of such commodities as marijuana compared to corn and the like, the price difference is astronomical per individual measurement. Also, the fact the convenience these surveys have and their association with the rise in government funding/tax dollars toward the "war on drugs"

[The Ninja]

I'm going to cross breed weed with some legal plant... so that the legal plant starts producing cannabinoids... then I'ma smoke it. And sell it.... and make a fortune!

j/k

[99hatch]

Not a bad idea......If I was only a Botanist. Could cross it with lettuce, then whenever you eat a burger or salad, you good to go.

[nreggie454]

Not a bad idea......If I was only a Botanist. Could cross it with lettuce, then whenever you eat a burger or salad, you good to go.

Actually, no.

Marijuana does not contain THC. It contains THCA, which still can give the effects of smoking marijuana, but isn't nearly as potent. The act of heating the THCA via smoking, cooking, etc. converts the THCA to THC which gets you higher.

[99hatch]

The fact is its illegal, but I believe that will change. After all we now have Obama as president and he is bringing Change right?

[The Ninja]

Actually, no.

Marijuana does not contain THC. It contains THCA, which still can give the effects of smoking marijuana, but isn't nearly as potent. The act of heating the THCA via smoking, cooking, etc. converts the THCA to THC which gets you higher.

Its the drying and curing of pot that converts the plant acids into THC, as well as the 106*C tempurature that also triggers the quick conversion of THCA to THC, known as decarboxylation.

Did you know you could increase the potency of your weed by putting it in the oven at ~225*F?? (A dramatic increase in potency)

[The Creeper]

Either way guys and gals, considering the state of our economy and nation, the legalization of marijuana is not important in the least right now. The US has bigger fish to fry.