Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Octopus™
I should have known it was you that made this thread too but the thread title still sorta threw me off.

Anywho...

I do have some what of an issue with the whole Women's "Independent" movement. Some women especially black women take it to a whole other level. Do not get me wrong, it is perfectly fine to be independent in most aspects but do not shun a man when he tries to approach you because he appears not to be up to par with you. I know this not a characteristic that you have but that's for the women that me and you have talked about countless of times.

As far as you're concerned don't stop a man from paying for you if you're out with him. It's not a matter him needing anything in return or him feeling obligated to, it's because that should be an instinct any real man has. Since it's in us to do so when you take that away from us it sort hurts our pride. Unless it's something discussed before the outing

Me for example. I knew good and well that Jovan made substantially more than me. But everywhere we went I paid. There was no argument I never asked her to pay for anything because I felt inclined to.

When I met my wife she was very much so on her own. She did for herself and that was fine in the beginning because she did for herself but when it came to me doing for her she NEVER stopped me. Sure she was reluctant to from time to time but she saw how firm I was and went along with things. Her and I have always been about compromise. and i think i'm rambling.

i was about to delete all of this but i figured i'd let you read it before i did

I know that you havetold me a thousand times to let the man BE the man. I have issues... you know that. C'mon dude, you have been a witness to 12yrs of my life.. You have seen me morph from all sorts of different characters. I went from super b*tch, to super submissive, to the friend that you now love. I was in an abusive ass realtionship for 5yrs of my life where a slap to the face was my pay back for running off at the mouth. I DID NOT KNOW what a lady should have been treated like. I didnt. You watched me go from guy to guy after that, looking for instant gratification... Then you watched me fall recently, only to be hurt over and over (some caused by me, some caused by them). I think to an extent, I pay for myself because that way when I am done dealing with a person I dont feel that I owe them their money back. I dunno. Maybe I am wrong in my thinking.