The Big Bang Theory

[Spectic Tank]

Uh there's ton of actual findings in archeloigcal shit. Where have we found genes. LOL

Let me see the Dead Scrolls ARE actual text of the bible.

Ok, they found some archealogical shit and some scrolls... All that does is prove parts of the bible...there's a lot more to it than that. Like whether or not jesus was god's son...isn't that a pretty important part of the bible that ISN't proven???

[man]

isn't that a pretty important part of the bible that ISN't proven???

Kind of like the theory of evolution where life started from nothing? Or is that just a minor detail that we don't need to worry about?

[Spectic Tank]

Kind of like the theory of evolution where life started from nothing? Or is that just a minor detail that we don't need to worry about?

I do worry about that...but you can say the same thing for creationism. Where did god come from...did he just magically appear and start makin people and plants and shit?

[man]

I do worry about that...but you can say the same thing for creationism.

Absolutely, and this is where you get a convergence of science and religion. There are some things that the mind just simply cannot comprehend.

[Lucky DAWG]

I do worry about that...but you can say the same thing for creationism. Where did god come from...did he just magically appear and start makin people and plants and shit?

i also like how you vomited at what was actually a well thought out few paragraphs even though i don't agree with all of it.

the best you could come up with is, "start makin people and plants and shit?"

and shit... really now?
not a good way to convince me you are correct

[Jecht]

Maniac, you opened a BIG debate this time!

[Crazy Asian]

And also your gene question. As I told you GOD has diff trait for diff ppl. Not because africans are darker then can withstand heat. God made them withstand that heat. Say for example if I place you in a middle of a desert. You would burn right. Right because your epidermis and your dermisis is taking too much damage from the suns ray. God didnt create you to stand that much heat did he? I wonder what he made you for.

[Spectic Tank]

And also your gene question. As I told you GOD has diff trait for diff ppl. Not because africans are darker then can withstand heat. Its their skin. Not melanin. God made them withstand that heat. Say for example if I place you in a middle of a desert. You would burn right. Right because your epidermis and your dermisis is taking too much damage from the suns ray. God didnt create you to stand that much heat did he? I wonder what he made you for.

my skin would burn because of the lack of melinin in my skin which is what prtocts the body from UV rays.

P.S. He didn't make me....i was an "accident" at least that's what my parents told me

[Crazy Asian]

Catholics are crazy. There not really focused on God as my friend said there more on the pope and hiearchy of the church

[Crazy Asian]

Exactly...god didnt make you to survive extreme. Nor am I. I went to Cambodia once for a mission. I looked Mexican after that.

[Spectic Tank]

Exactly...god didnt make you to survive extreme. Nor am I. I went to Cambodia once for a mission. I looked Mexican after that.

It's not the fact that god didn't "make" me like that, it has to do with the fact that my genes are not adapted to that environment.

[PhAtBoYMr2]

Some of you need Jesus

[man]

Some of you need Jesus

[Crazy Asian]

True...but most of the Bibles facts are true since the Hill were Jesus die well they know where that is. The Garden where he was found... well that's a give they know where that is. Though who the hell would draw Jesus's picture when there in awe of someone preaching.

[Spectic Tank]

True...but most of the Bibles facts are true since the Hill were Jesus die well they know where that is. The Garden where he was found... well that's a give they know where that is. Though who the hell would draw Jesus's picture when there in awe of someone preaching.

I'm not debating the fact that jesus wasn't real, which is the only thing that info u just stated proves. I have trouble believing that he is god's son and he died for humanity's sins. Nothing proves that.

[Lucky DAWG]

True...but most of the Bibles facts are true since the Hill were Jesus die well they know where that is. The Garden where he was found... well that's a give they know where that is. Though who the hell would draw Jesus's picture when there in awe of someone preaching.

yea they are historic places but the things in question are some of the miraculous things he does like healing a sick man, letting the blind see, and being born from a virgin.

although i don't believe that these things actually happened, i think that the meaning behind them is none the less still there and teach people how to live.

i'm sort of a deist you could say, i dont think that god intervenes on a daily basis but rather gives us the power from the get go to do it for ourselves.

in other words he just started the ball rolling and gave us what we needed to do the right thing, the rest is up to us

[Crazy Asian]

Wrong. See Im asian. Im 6'4 How is that adapting?

[Spectic Tank]

Wrong. See Im asian. Im 6'4 How is that adapting?

We have things called civilizations now, where people build structures and the such to live in...so that they dont have to adapt to nature anymore...ur part of that

[Crazy Asian]

However, the existence of God cannot be proven or disproved. The Bible even says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists, “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith. "Then Jesus told him, 'Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed'” (John 20:29).



That does not mean, however, that there is not evidence of God’s existence. The Bible declares, “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world” (Psalm 19:1-4). Looking at the stars, understanding the vastness of the universe, observing the wonders of nature, seeing the beauty of a sunset – all of these things point to a Creator God. If these were not enough, there is also evidence of God in our own hearts. Ecclesiastes 3:11 tells us, “…He has also set eternity in the hearts of men…” There is something deep down in our beings that recognizes that there is something beyond this life and someone beyond this world. We can deny this knowledge intellectually, but God’s presence in us and through us is still there. Despite all of this, the Bible warns us that some will still deny God’s existence, “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’” (Psalm 14:1). Since over 98% of people throughout history, in all cultures, in all civilizations, on all continents believe in the existence of some kind of God – there must be something (or someone) causing this belief.



In addition to the Biblical arguments for God’s existence, there are logical arguments. First, there is the ontological argument. The most popular form of the ontological argument basically uses the concept of God to prove God’s existence. It begins with the definition of God as “that than which no greater can be conceived.” It is then argued that to exist is greater than to not exist, and therefore the greatest conceivable being must exist. If God did not exist then God would not be the greatest conceivable being - but that would contradict God's very definition. A second is the teleological argument. The teleological argument is that since the universe displays such an amazing design, there must have been a Divine designer. For example, if earth were even a few hundred miles closer or further away from the sun, it would not be capable of supporting much of the life it currently does. If the elements in our atmosphere were even a few percentage points different, every living thing on earth would die. The odds of a single protein molecule forming by chance is 1 in 10243 (that is a 10 followed by 243 0’s). A single cell is comprised of millions of protein molecules.



A third logical argument for God’s existence is called the cosmological argument. Every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-caused” in order to cause everything else to come into existence. That “un-caused” something is God. A fourth argument is known as the moral argument. Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God?



Despite all of this, the Bible tells us that people will reject the clear and undeniable knowledge of God and instead believe a lie. Romans 1:25 declares, “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator - who is forever praised. Amen.” The Bible also proclaims that people are without excuse for not believing in God, “For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - His eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).



People claim to not believe in God because it is “not scientific” or “because there is no proof.” The true reason is that once people admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from God (Romans 3:23; 6:23). If God exists, then we are accountable for our actions to Him. If God does not exist, then we can do whatever we want without having to worry about God judging us. I believe that is why evolution is so strongly clung to by many in our society - to give people an alternative to believing in a Creator God. God exists and ultimately everyone knows that He exists. The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an argument for His existence.



Allow me one last argument for God’s existence. How do I know God exists? I know God exists because I speak to Him every day. I do not audibly hear Him speaking back to me, but I sense His presence, I feel His leading, I know His love, I desire His grace. Things have occurred in my life that have no other possible explanation other than God. God has so miraculously saved me and changed my life that I cannot help but to acknowledge and praise His existence. None of these arguments in and of themselves can persuade anyone who refuses to acknowledge what is so plainly clear. In the end, God’s existence must be accepted by faith (Hebrews 11:6). Faith in God is not a blind leap into the dark, it is safe step into a well-lit room where 90% of people are already standing.

[Spectic Tank]

However, the existence of God cannot be proven or disproved. The Bible even says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists, “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith. "Then Jesus told him, 'Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed'” (John 20:29).



That does not mean, however, that there is not evidence of God’s existence. The Bible declares, “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world” (Psalm 19:1-4). Looking at the stars, understanding the vastness of the universe, observing the wonders of nature, seeing the beauty of a sunset – all of these things point to a Creator God. If these were not enough, there is also evidence of God in our own hearts. Ecclesiastes 3:11 tells us, “…He has also set eternity in the hearts of men…” There is something deep down in our beings that recognizes that there is something beyond this life and someone beyond this world. We can deny this knowledge intellectually, but God’s presence in us and through us is still there. Despite all of this, the Bible warns us that some will still deny God’s existence, “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’” (Psalm 14:1). Since over 98% of people throughout history, in all cultures, in all civilizations, on all continents believe in the existence of some kind of God – there must be something (or someone) causing this belief.



In addition to the Biblical arguments for God’s existence, there are logical arguments. First, there is the ontological argument. The most popular form of the ontological argument basically uses the concept of God to prove God’s existence. It begins with the definition of God as “that than which no greater can be conceived.” It is then argued that to exist is greater than to not exist, and therefore the greatest conceivable being must exist. If God did not exist then God would not be the greatest conceivable being - but that would contradict God's very definition. A second is the teleological argument. The teleological argument is that since the universe displays such an amazing design, there must have been a Divine designer. For example, if earth were even a few hundred miles closer or further away from the sun, it would not be capable of supporting much of the life it currently does. If the elements in our atmosphere were even a few percentage points different, every living thing on earth would die. The odds of a single protein molecule forming by chance is 1 in 10243 (that is a 10 followed by 243 0’s). A single cell is comprised of millions of protein molecules.



A third logical argument for God’s existence is called the cosmological argument. Every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-caused” in order to cause everything else to come into existence. That “un-caused” something is God. A fourth argument is known as the moral argument. Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God?



Despite all of this, the Bible tells us that people will reject the clear and undeniable knowledge of God and instead believe a lie. Romans 1:25 declares, “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator - who is forever praised. Amen.” The Bible also proclaims that people are without excuse for not believing in God, “For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - His eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).



People claim to not believe in God because it is “not scientific” or “because there is no proof.” The true reason is that once people admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from God (Romans 3:23; 6:23). If God exists, then we are accountable for our actions to Him. If God does not exist, then we can do whatever we want without having to worry about God judging us. I believe that is why evolution is so strongly clung to by many in our society - to give people an alternative to believing in a Creator God. God exists and ultimately everyone knows that He exists. The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an argument for His existence.



Allow me one last argument for God’s existence. How do I know God exists? I know God exists because I speak to Him every day. I do not audibly hear Him speaking back to me, but I sense His presence, I feel His leading, I know His love, I desire His grace. Things have occurred in my life that have no other possible explanation other than God. God has so miraculously saved me and changed my life that I cannot help but to acknowledge and praise His existence. None of these arguments in and of themselves can persuade anyone who refuses to acknowledge what is so plainly clear. In the end, God’s existence must be accepted by faith (Hebrews 11:6). Faith in God is not a blind leap into the dark, it is safe step into a well-lit room where 90% of people are already standing.

...I think i just vomited in my mouth a little bit

[Lucky DAWG]

A third logical argument for God’s existence is called the cosmological argument. Every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-caused” in order to cause everything else to come into existence. That “un-caused” something is God. A fourth argument is known as the moral argument. Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God?

not to mention that is science too

for every push there is a pull, common physics.
funny how science fucks itself over when making such arguments and then pretends to be superior intellectually to all of those who believe in a greater being

[man]

for every push there is a pull, common physics.
funny how science fucks itself over when making such arguments and then pretends to be superior intellectually to all of those who believe in a greater being

What I find most interesting about Scientists vs the Bible is the inability of modern day scientists, with vast amounts of technology, to 100% disprove a book written thousands of years ago by a bunch of lower class guys.

[Lucky DAWG]

What I find most interesting about Scientists vs the Bible is the inability of modern day scientists, with vast amounts of technology, to 100% disprove a book written thousands of years ago by a bunch of lower class guys.

lol which is exactly my point

until they can disprove it, its retarded how they just make up more and more ridiculous theorems that are just as ridiculous in a sense as the bible is to the scientists.

the worst part is that the common man doesn't realize that this is a THEOREM made up by a scientist.

i stand on the religion side

[StupidBikerBoy]

lol which is exactly my point

until they can disprove it, its retarded how they just make up more and more ridiculous theorems that are just as ridiculous in a sense as the bible is to the scientists.

the worst part is that the common man doesn't realize that this is a THEOREM made up by a scientist.

i stand on the religion side

Yes, and a theorem is based on proven facts, so its nowhere near "made up".

Funny how you consider the other side retarded for "making up" things when in fact that is what the bible is. If this book is really the word of god, then wheres the proof that he dictated it?

[4dmin]

What I find most interesting about Scientists vs the Bible is the inability of modern day scientists, with vast amounts of technology, to 100% disprove a book written thousands of years ago by a bunch of lower class guys.

how are you going to disprove something people won't accept proof for? it is if a tree falls in the woods thing... christians basis for everything is faith and faith isn't proof.

[man]

how are you going to disprove something people won't accept proof for? it is if a tree falls in the woods thing... christians basis for everything is faith and faith isn't proof.

Neither is a guy with a lab coat saying "well, because the galaxies are moving, obviously the universe was compacted into a tiny particle that exploded." It's pure idiocy.

[StupidBikerBoy]

What I find most interesting about Scientists vs the Bible is the inability of modern day scientists, with vast amounts of technology, to 100% disprove a book written thousands of years ago by a bunch of lower class guys.

Thats rediculous. Disproving something written thousands of years ago by people that couldn't even explain rain, earthquakes, floods, etc. and based it on religous beliefs that had been spoken by word of mouth for 100 years before the earliest books where written would be extremely hard to do.

[PhAtBoYMr2]

However, the existence of God cannot be proven or disproved. The Bible even says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists, “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith. "Then Jesus told him, 'Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed'” (John 20:29).



That does not mean, however, that there is not evidence of God’s existence. The Bible declares, “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world” (Psalm 19:1-4). Looking at the stars, understanding the vastness of the universe, observing the wonders of nature, seeing the beauty of a sunset – all of these things point to a Creator God. If these were not enough, there is also evidence of God in our own hearts. Ecclesiastes 3:11 tells us, “…He has also set eternity in the hearts of men…” There is something deep down in our beings that recognizes that there is something beyond this life and someone beyond this world. We can deny this knowledge intellectually, but God’s presence in us and through us is still there. Despite all of this, the Bible warns us that some will still deny God’s existence, “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’” (Psalm 14:1). Since over 98% of people throughout history, in all cultures, in all civilizations, on all continents believe in the existence of some kind of God – there must be something (or someone) causing this belief.



In addition to the Biblical arguments for God’s existence, there are logical arguments. First, there is the ontological argument. The most popular form of the ontological argument basically uses the concept of God to prove God’s existence. It begins with the definition of God as “that than which no greater can be conceived.” It is then argued that to exist is greater than to not exist, and therefore the greatest conceivable being must exist. If God did not exist then God would not be the greatest conceivable being - but that would contradict God's very definition. A second is the teleological argument. The teleological argument is that since the universe displays such an amazing design, there must have been a Divine designer. For example, if earth were even a few hundred miles closer or further away from the sun, it would not be capable of supporting much of the life it currently does. If the elements in our atmosphere were even a few percentage points different, every living thing on earth would die. The odds of a single protein molecule forming by chance is 1 in 10243 (that is a 10 followed by 243 0’s). A single cell is comprised of millions of protein molecules.



A third logical argument for God’s existence is called the cosmological argument. Every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-caused” in order to cause everything else to come into existence. That “un-caused” something is God. A fourth argument is known as the moral argument. Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God?



Despite all of this, the Bible tells us that people will reject the clear and undeniable knowledge of God and instead believe a lie. Romans 1:25 declares, “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator - who is forever praised. Amen.” The Bible also proclaims that people are without excuse for not believing in God, “For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities - His eternal power and divine nature - have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).



People claim to not believe in God because it is “not scientific” or “because there is no proof.” The true reason is that once people admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from God (Romans 3:23; 6:23). If God exists, then we are accountable for our actions to Him. If God does not exist, then we can do whatever we want without having to worry about God judging us. I believe that is why evolution is so strongly clung to by many in our society - to give people an alternative to believing in a Creator God. God exists and ultimately everyone knows that He exists. The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an argument for His existence.



Allow me one last argument for God’s existence. How do I know God exists? I know God exists because I speak to Him every day. I do not audibly hear Him speaking back to me, but I sense His presence, I feel His leading, I know His love, I desire His grace. Things have occurred in my life that have no other possible explanation other than God. God has so miraculously saved me and changed my life that I cannot help but to acknowledge and praise His existence. None of these arguments in and of themselves can persuade anyone who refuses to acknowledge what is so plainly clear. In the end, God’s existence must be accepted by faith (Hebrews 11:6). Faith in God is not a blind leap into the dark, it is safe step into a well-lit room where 90% of people are already standing.

I guess we will all find out if god exist soon enough but i am a believer and there are alot of things in this world science cannot answer and maybe never will. But at the same time I am a believer of god but theres only so much the human mind can decipher. There are places in space where our computers and satellites can't even reach yet so who knows whats out there. I also do believe in ufo's and it's said that if there are other beings out there it will contradict everything the bible has said because we are the number one being in the universe.

Just alot of things we don't know or haven't discovered. I think science is always improving and as it does we will discover new things. I mean not too long ago we thought the earth was flat and there was no such thing as outer space. That was everyone's perception in some time frame so maybe right now we will have a different perception on things come 100 years from now.

[StupidBikerBoy]

DUH!!! And to make another state wrong. God chose whats good and whats wrong for human beings. The only reason why I stated adpatation since you dont believe in God I just made it more logically in your thinking. All I know is God put each human on Earth with different traits. I dont believe in evolution because of the fact that they cant prove where the other gene came from to make it a human being. Neither does a monkey love eating his own poo.

However, the existence of God cannot be proven or disproved. The Bible even says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists

Always lots of contradictions when religion tries to explain itself.

[Crazy Asian]

The fact that God doesnt exist or doesnt exist cant be proven. But to us Christians its through our faith. And most ppl do believe there is some higher power working on us.

[Mr_Mischif]

The way I see it is this: I do believe there was a big bang, but-and this is a big 'but'-what caused it? That's the $64,000 question. Everything else could be proven scientifically from there, but the Big Bang happening by itself is like a person spontaneously combusting: you have to see it to believe it.

[Crazy Asian]

Blah on with the next religions. Scientology

[Crazy Asian]

LOL!!! How you vomit at a text proving something at the most it can. Remember the question of god does exist or not can be prove or dispproved. It just up to the human being.

[Spectic Tank]

LOL!!! How you vomit at a text proving something at the most it can. Remember the question of god does exist or not can be prove or dispproved. It just up to the human being.

I didn't actually vomit in my mouth, I just didn't agree with a lot of what you were saying. you are entitled to you belief and I respect that...I am also entitled to my opinion.

[Crazy Asian]

LOL true. Hell they've been at for a long time. Maybe that's why Scientology was made.

[man]

LOL true. Hell they've been at for a long time.

Either these couple guys were fuckin Dan Brown style puzzle novel geniuses, or our scientist are pathetic.

[Lucky DAWG]

scientology is still based on the same basis as other religions

a superior being which happens to be another race comes and puts us here and has been monitoring us.

the name is misleading
all they have done is given the idea a new coat of paint

[Pavlo]

I think you guys are all wrong, the universe was created from a backfire of a 911 SC on a cold Saturday morning.

[man]

Paul, you're arguing with three people who are saying the exact same thing about something you aren't even involved in. That would be like me going into NASA, listening to the scientists explain how a space shuttle works and then saying "Nope, you guys are all wrong. That's not how you're supposed to do it."

[4dmin]

Paul, you're arguing with three people who are saying the exact same thing about something you aren't even involved in. That would be like me going into NASA, listening to the scientists explain how a space shuttle works and then saying "Nope, you guys are all wrong. That's not how you're supposed to do it."

no i'm not christian but i dont' understand who you say you are yet you don't follow the bible... i'm just wondering how strong your faith is or your points if you dissprove yourself by your lack of faith?