Quote Originally Posted by trini_gsr
there's a lot of good information in this thread...mixed up with a lot of foolishness

to be honest, i didn't really have a problem with kramer saying "nigger". my real problem was with the comments he made afterwards...he said something like "50 years ago you'd have a fork in your ass for saying that" to those hecklers. basically suggesting lynching...that was the real offensive part of his response. but what's funny is, i haven't seen/heard anyone talking about that...

as far as the comment someone made about how white ppl brought industry to africa...amm have you ever seen the great pyramids? do you think *everywhere* in africa is just like what they show on the nature channel? please recall that africa is a CONTINENT, the 2nd largest one. who do you think is responsible for the some of the earliest innovations in mathematics, astronomy, medicine, and science...even religion/spirituality? and before you say the greeks...where do you think they *learned* that stuff??? please do your research before talking out of your @ss...

i agree with most of what mike said...except that the type of 'slavery' africans were doing was remarkably different than what happened over here. it was a hell of a lot more humane...not to mention the psychological component of it, which is to me the ugliest and most far-reaching part of the slave trade in the west. african 'slaves' were allowed to keep their real names, practice their religions, speak their own languages...really you can't compare the two institutions at all when you get down to it.

this lasted for a couple hundred years too...the psychological slavery didn't end until (arguably) the 60s...really you can say the late 70s because that's how long it took for integration to really get a foothold in the south. honestly speaking...that's not very long ago. that's why it's such a sensitive topic with black ppl here in this country...it's gonna take at least another generation or so before it becomes a non-issue...
Excellent points.