KRAMERS RACIST TIRADE **REAL**

[BluesClues]

I looked at the structure of the paragraph and knew nothing intelligent could come from it.. I still havent read it to find out.

You are not missing anything. I read it and it only gave me a damn headache

[BluesClues]

Actually, the word cracker does offend some people, albeit a small group...thats why it survives to some degree. I have seen it.

If humans were smarter they would ALL do that for the racial words that bother them....just laugh at/ignore them. Doing so makes the "offending" word useless for the most part.

When those offended by a word give power and such creedence to a word such as has seems to being done with the offending N word in question, they only do themselves and others who are offended by that word a great diservice.

Giving a word great power only ensures that the offending word will NEVER EVER die...it will always survive unlike other words that fade into oblivion to be seldom used...it will become a stronger and better insult really...and that people will ALWAYS pull it out and use it when they want to really cast insult.

Also, it is absolutely impossible for ANY race of people to reserve unto themselves alone the use of an english word. Those who may think this possible are not thinking too clearly...to say the very least. Such a notion is absurd...not to mention it's basicly racism in action...the very enemy to begin with.

I will take this into consideration. This statement makes a lot of sense

[BluesClues]

http://hesaidthesheriffisa-near.ytmnd.com/ i lol'd

That was pretty funny lol

[BTLFED]

I <3 Blues Clues.

[Jaimecbr900]

Wow!!!! Out of everyone elses post, yours is the only one I can agree with. You put it in the best words possible. Like I have said before, you are a very intelligent man and I really do honor your words. You have made me feel better about this situation and see where I went wrong about this whole thing. Fuck reps, I give you props in life!!!! That's real

Thank you.

[Vteckidd]

LOl u no the funny thing is whites were never slaved and called crackers while they were hanging.Now the blks were we just took the word that whites once called us and use it out of respect.anger. or what ever we want it to be.the bottom line is if back in the day we were hanging the white's and calling them crackers they would act the same way now.

FACT: blacks SOLD blacks to whites as slaves. They were enslaving themselves LONG BEFORE we came to Africa, hell it still goes on today. Whites just made it come to the new world.

Can someone tell me where the word "nigger" originated from?

Do not sit here an tell me that you took this word an reused it in a term of enderament. NO SLAVES back in the 1800s were calling each other nigga. I never heard Martin Luther King Jr say "i have a dream niggas". I never heard Malcolm X say that "plymouth rock landed on us niggas".

The use of the word has only become a slang word in the last 10 years. Hell i dont even remember anyone in the 70s using the word or even the 80s. The first time i remembered hearing that word used in a slang form, was GANGSTA rap in the late 80s an early 90s.

I love all races and hate what happen to my ggparents at the same time i get tired of u white ppl getting mad cause u can't call me a nigger get over it if your ggparents wpould have not hung mine u wouldn't have this problem u guys started something and now u hate it cause it bites all of u in the ass.

I NEVER did anything to you, i never ENSLAVED anyone, MY PARENTS or GRANDPARENTS never owned slaves. my GREAT grand parents didnt own slaves. so before you make such ignorant statements, learn more before you speak on such matters.

You never went through slavery. I never want to call any black person a nigger, i have no reason to.

Again we didnt start ANYTHING, blacks were ENSLAVING THEMSELVES long before we came along. its just conventient to blame it on whites since whites brought it to the new world.

And why would u want to say the n word to a blk person the word once was a word when they were beating my ggparents.cracker was never used to beat any1 so thats the difference.I let my white bys call me nigga all the time they respect me i no they or far from the races seen and i no they will never call me that when they get mad cuase i aint a push over and the reason i have so many friends is cause i love all races and get aloan really well with any race i meet so drop it .

People give great power to the word "nigger" an thats why its such a big deal. I agree cracker has never been as "deplorable" as cracker, but thats a matter of opinion.

so you let your WHITE BOYS call you nigga, but when a coworked called you it you et mad.

i suggest you stop being ignorant, an let NO one call you any racial slur. If you knew anything , an if your ancestory bothered you so mch, you wouldnt let ANYONE CALL YOU NIGGER,NIGGA, etc.

How can you in one sentence sit here an be all upset about the trials and tribulations your GREAT GRANDPARENTS went through, especially being called nigger, then come in here an say "all your white boys call you nigga" .

ignorance is the main reason these racial lines still exist today, an your not helping the cause

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Hahahaha Mike FTW

[StupidBikerBoy]

Yeah but the reason is the context of the usage. When white people say it, it draws upon slavery and how whites used it to refer to blacks as their property and ordered them around.

When other races say it today it is not a big deal because they weren't involved in that shit.

For those that keep bringing up how whites enslaved blacks

Whites are not the only race to have enslaved another. As a matter of fact, almost every (if not every one) race has enslaved others at some point in history.

Blacks have been ensalving whites for hundreds of years in Africa, before AND after America's slavery.

My point being, that the past HAS NO BEARING anymore. Whites are not the only to have used slavery, therefore that excuse cannot be used.

The word is a form of disrespect, plain and simple. I choose not to use it and lose respect for those who do, regardless of thier race.

[Kamikaze]

Blacks have been ensalving whites for hundreds of years in Africa, before AND after America's slavery.

Where did you get this from? I'm curious because I've never heard of this. I searched for it on Google, Wikipedia, and Britannica and couldn't find anything.

[nightracer]

For those that keep bringing up how whites enslaved blacks

Whites are not the only race to have enslaved another. As a matter of fact, almost every (if not every one) race has enslaved others at some point in history.

Blacks have been ensalving whites for hundreds of years in Africa, before AND after America's slavery.

My point being, that the past HAS NO BEARING anymore. Whites are not the only to have used slavery, therefore that excuse cannot be used.

The word is a form of disrespect, plain and simple. I choose not to use it and lose respect for those who do, regardless of thier race.

As I recal Europeans were the only people to kill off entire cultures and steal entire countries in order to steal wealth. Asians conquested and conquered, Africans ruled, Arabs waged war and Europeans just went out, killed billions and told you the shit didn't go down like that. The N word is some shit that came out of genocidal enslavement practices. Your ancestors didn't get stolen off their patio like PS3's on Nov. 17th, their countries didn't get whored out but crooked arabs and their cultures didn't get erased from history because of a murderous slave trade. You don't go around down playing the Jewish holocaust so don't try to down play the African slave trade. Give it a rest. Besides the word "cracker" never came out of any European genocidal attrocities, it never had that much hatred behind it.

[nightracer]

Kramer is a fucking idiot, he meant what he said and lets get over it. Fuck him and what he's going through. Dude is a lame ass actor anyway.

[nightracer]

Where did you get this from? I'm curious because I've never heard of this. I searched for it on Google, Wikipedia, and Britannica and couldn't find anything.

Smells like bullshit to me. This should be a good one.

[TIGERJC]

As I recal Europeans were the only people to kill off entire cultures and steal entire countries in order to steal wealth. Asians conquested and conquered, Africans ruled, Arabs waged war and Europeans just went out, killed billions and told you the shit didn't go down like that. The N word is some shit that came out of genocidal enslavement practices. Your ancestors didn't get stolen off their patio like PS3's on Nov. 17th, their countries didn't get whored out but crooked arabs and their cultures didn't get erased from history because of a murderous slave trade. You don't go around down playing the Jewish holocaust so don't try to down play the African slave trade. Give it a rest. Besides the word "cracker" never came out of any European genocidal attrocities, it never had that much hatred behind it.

+1

[Nemesis]

And very much a repost.

Sheesh,


132 posts and 1,556 views. Damn thats good for a repost.

[Hektik]

+1 MIKE
i agree completely

[Vteckidd]

You don't go around down playing the Jewish holocaust so don't try to down play the African slave trade.

VERY good point. however, the JEWISH COMMUNITY as a whole, has gotten OVER the holocaust. They have not asked for reparations

also, being Jewish is a religous choice, not a race.

[JITB]

VERY good point. however, the JEWISH COMMUNITY as a whole, has gotten OVER the holocaust. They have not asked for reparations

also, being Jewish is a religous choice, not a race.

i have gotten over slavery and i havent asked for reperations.. and im sure jews still can be offended by racial slurs just like anyone else. Slavery isnt even a issue.. its the seperation of the races. Just put it like this i wouldnt tell a jewish person to get over the holocaust because im not jewish. Noone has the right to tell anyone to get over anything if u arent in their shoes plain and simple.

[nightracer]

VERY good point. however, the JEWISH COMMUNITY as a whole, has gotten OVER the holocaust. They have not asked for reparations

also, being Jewish is a religous choice, not a race.

What are you talking about? The Jews sued Germany and Europe and got billions. They go apeshit everytime somebody says something thats anti-jewish. They go, "THATS ANTI SEMETIC!!!!!!!!!1" Watch them. They called Osama bin Ladena an anti-semetic but if you know anything about jews & arabs you'd know that he's semetic so he cannot be anti-semetic, just anti-jewish.

Black people talked about getting some kind of compensation for the damage slavery caused and white people took offense to it like black ppl committed a sin. Its human nature to seek some kind of compensation after a crime is committed against you. We are not sad, crying, bitching, angry or in denial about and we can go to work everyday without even thinking about it so I think we are pretty much over it. I think its white people who are still NOT over slavery.

Still saying racist shit like black people ever did anything to white ppl, still trying to keep up the status quo, ethnic profiling, institutional racism. The shit hasn't gone away they just changed it so its hard to sue the govt. and corporate America. Why not get the fuck over it and do something constructive? Nah mean?

[trini_gsr]

there's a lot of good information in this thread...mixed up with a lot of foolishness

to be honest, i didn't really have a problem with kramer saying "nigger". my real problem was with the comments he made afterwards...he said something like "50 years ago you'd have a fork in your ass for saying that" to those hecklers. basically suggesting lynching...that was the real offensive part of his response. but what's funny is, i haven't seen/heard anyone talking about that...

as far as the comment someone made about how white ppl brought industry to africa...amm have you ever seen the great pyramids? do you think *everywhere* in africa is just like what they show on the nature channel? please recall that africa is a CONTINENT, the 2nd largest one. who do you think is responsible for the some of the earliest innovations in mathematics, astronomy, medicine, and science...even religion/spirituality? and before you say the greeks...where do you think they *learned* that stuff??? please do your research before talking out of your @ss...

i agree with most of what mike said...except that the type of 'slavery' africans were doing was remarkably different than what happened over here. it was a hell of a lot more humane...not to mention the psychological component of it, which is to me the ugliest and most far-reaching part of the slave trade in the west. african 'slaves' were allowed to keep their real names, practice their religions, speak their own languages...really you can't compare the two institutions at all when you get down to it.

this lasted for a couple hundred years too...the psychological slavery didn't end until (arguably) the 60s...really you can say the late 70s because that's how long it took for integration to really get a foothold in the south. honestly speaking...that's not very long ago. that's why it's such a sensitive topic with black ppl here in this country...it's gonna take at least another generation or so before it becomes a non-issue...

[tony]

there's a lot of good information in this thread...mixed up with a lot of foolishness

to be honest, i didn't really have a problem with kramer saying "nigger". my real problem was with the comments he made afterwards...he said something like "50 years ago you'd have a fork in your ass for saying that" to those hecklers. basically suggesting lynching...that was the real offensive part of his response. but what's funny is, i haven't seen/heard anyone talking about that...

as far as the comment someone made about how white ppl brought industry to africa...amm have you ever seen the great pyramids? do you think *everywhere* in africa is just like what they show on the nature channel? please recall that africa is a CONTINENT, the 2nd largest one. who do you think is responsible for the some of the earliest innovations in mathematics, astronomy, medicine, and science...even religion/spirituality? and before you say the greeks...where do you think they *learned* that stuff??? please do your research before talking out of your @ss...

i agree with most of what mike said...except that the type of 'slavery' africans were doing was remarkably different than what happened over here. it was a hell of a lot more humane...not to mention the psychological component of it, which is to me the ugliest and most far-reaching part of the slave trade in the west. african 'slaves' were allowed to keep their real names, practice their religions, speak their own languages...really you can't compare the two institutions at all when you get down to it.

this lasted for a couple hundred years too...the psychological slavery didn't end until (arguably) the 60s...really you can say the late 70s because that's how long it took for integration to really get a foothold in the south. honestly speaking...that's not very long ago. that's why it's such a sensitive topic with black ppl here in this country...it's gonna take at least another generation or so before it becomes a non-issue...

I love this post /thread.

[Jaimecbr900]

...it's gonna take at least another generation or so before it becomes a non-issue...

You make good points until here.

Why does it have to take "generations" to "get over" something that happened even MORE generations ago? How is that constructive at all? How is that efficient?

How does what happened to African slaves almost 200 yrs ago directly affect YOU today? Someone please explain that to me. Slavery has been officially abolished for almost 150 yrs now. How can you today be directly affected by something that happened almost 200 yrs ago?

You want to know what the REAL issue is? It is RACIST people using RACE as means to get something accomplished TO and AGAINST another race (sometimes even their own race) for their own benefit.

That's what it really boils down to. A racist person USING the "race card" as an excuse for their own inability to accomplish a goal. And it certainly goes both ways across the tracks. Minorities vs "Majorities", the haves vs the have nots. There are plenty of RACIST white, black, brown, green, yellow, blue, red people out there. PLENTY. The ironic thing is that they ALL use the same BS excuse to justify why they feel a certain way.

There is absolutely RACISM in America today. It happens. There is also infinitely more opportunities for EVERYONE out there today than there were yesterday. Those that want to succeed find a way to overcome adversity rather than wallow in it and use it as an excuse for themselves. Does that excuse RACISM and RACIST people? Hell no. But the bottomline is that if people keep staring at the past and using it as an excuse for their PRESENT situations, they will never grow and move forward because they'll always be stuck staring backwards rather than forwards.

My

[BTLFED]

there's a lot of good information in this thread...mixed up with a lot of foolishness

to be honest, i didn't really have a problem with kramer saying "nigger". my real problem was with the comments he made afterwards...he said something like "50 years ago you'd have a fork in your ass for saying that" to those hecklers. basically suggesting lynching...that was the real offensive part of his response. but what's funny is, i haven't seen/heard anyone talking about that...

as far as the comment someone made about how white ppl brought industry to africa...amm have you ever seen the great pyramids? do you think *everywhere* in africa is just like what they show on the nature channel? please recall that africa is a CONTINENT, the 2nd largest one. who do you think is responsible for the some of the earliest innovations in mathematics, astronomy, medicine, and science...even religion/spirituality? and before you say the greeks...where do you think they *learned* that stuff??? please do your research before talking out of your @ss...

i agree with most of what mike said...except that the type of 'slavery' africans were doing was remarkably different than what happened over here. it was a hell of a lot more humane...not to mention the psychological component of it, which is to me the ugliest and most far-reaching part of the slave trade in the west. african 'slaves' were allowed to keep their real names, practice their religions, speak their own languages...really you can't compare the two institutions at all when you get down to it.

this lasted for a couple hundred years too...the psychological slavery didn't end until (arguably) the 60s...really you can say the late 70s because that's how long it took for integration to really get a foothold in the south. honestly speaking...that's not very long ago. that's why it's such a sensitive topic with black ppl here in this country...it's gonna take at least another generation or so before it becomes a non-issue...

Fantastic post.

[BTLFED]

You make good points until here.

Why does it have to take "generations" to "get over" something that happened even MORE generations ago? How is that constructive at all? How is that efficient?

How does what happened to African slaves almost 200 yrs ago directly affect YOU today? Someone please explain that to me. Slavery has been officially abolished for almost 150 yrs now. How can you today be directly affected by something that happened almost 200 yrs ago?

You want to know what the REAL issue is? It is RACIST people using RACE as means to get something accomplished TO and AGAINST another race (sometimes even their own race) for their own benefit.

That's what it really boils down to. A racist person USING the "race card" as an excuse for their own inability to accomplish a goal. And it certainly goes both ways across the tracks. Minorities vs "Majorities", the haves vs the have nots. There are plenty of RACIST white, black, brown, green, yellow, blue, red people out there. PLENTY. The ironic thing is that they ALL use the same BS excuse to justify why they feel a certain way.

There is absolutely RACISM in America today. It happens. There is also infinitely more opportunities for EVERYONE out there today than there were yesterday. Those that want to succeed find a way to overcome adversity rather than wallow in it and use it as an excuse for themselves. Does that excuse RACISM and RACIST people? Hell no. But the bottomline is that if people keep staring at the past and using it as an excuse for their PRESENT situations, they will never grow and move forward because they'll always be stuck staring backwards rather than forwards.

My

Couldn't agree more.

[Kamikaze]

there's a lot of good information in this thread...mixed up with a lot of foolishness

to be honest, i didn't really have a problem with kramer saying "nigger". my real problem was with the comments he made afterwards...he said something like "50 years ago you'd have a fork in your ass for saying that" to those hecklers. basically suggesting lynching...that was the real offensive part of his response. but what's funny is, i haven't seen/heard anyone talking about that...

as far as the comment someone made about how white ppl brought industry to africa...amm have you ever seen the great pyramids? do you think *everywhere* in africa is just like what they show on the nature channel? please recall that africa is a CONTINENT, the 2nd largest one. who do you think is responsible for the some of the earliest innovations in mathematics, astronomy, medicine, and science...even religion/spirituality? and before you say the greeks...where do you think they *learned* that stuff??? please do your research before talking out of your @ss...

i agree with most of what mike said...except that the type of 'slavery' africans were doing was remarkably different than what happened over here. it was a hell of a lot more humane...not to mention the psychological component of it, which is to me the ugliest and most far-reaching part of the slave trade in the west. african 'slaves' were allowed to keep their real names, practice their religions, speak their own languages...really you can't compare the two institutions at all when you get down to it.

this lasted for a couple hundred years too...the psychological slavery didn't end until (arguably) the 60s...really you can say the late 70s because that's how long it took for integration to really get a foothold in the south. honestly speaking...that's not very long ago. that's why it's such a sensitive topic with black ppl here in this country...it's gonna take at least another generation or so before it becomes a non-issue...

Excellent points.

[Vteckidd]

JOMO FTW

[The Ninja]

rates up

[StupidBikerBoy]

Where did you get this from? I'm curious because I've never heard of this. I searched for it on Google, Wikipedia, and Britannica and couldn't find anything.

Well, dont have a lot of time, but here a few quick searches.

White slavery in Africa:
http://www.heretical.com/British/slavery.html
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/cgi-bi...i/00/13712.ctl

White slavery:
http://archive.salon.com/books/it/20...ves/index.html
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/whtslav.htm

A quick hispanic slavery link
http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/1898/slaves.html

Asian:
http://www.time.com/time/asia/features/slavery/

A recent account of slavery against asians in ATLANTA. Think everyone responsible was white?
http://www.salon.com/health/sex/urge...ves/index.html

A quote from one of the links I found funny.

And in unearthing this fascinating lost chapter in American history, I also discovered how slavery has been partitioned into a piece of African-American cultural property -- made sacred by black Americans, abandoned by whites. Petrified by politics and shame, the richest and most central drama of early American history is now playing to segregated houses.