how in the fuck did i stay close to him1!?!?!
how in the fuck did i stay close to him1!?!?!
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
:looks down:Originally Posted by Cav-E-R
Oh its already been brought! wadup though?!?
Umm, thanks for the mis-quotes, but:
1. I said nothing about which skyline I was talking about. The r34 was faster in the list I saw.
2. I said nothing about "powerful" brakes, I said equal or better. I got this from a couple road tests that had 60-0 and 80-0 braking tests for the cars. Both the STI/EVO and the 911 turbo have very comparable braking hardware, including EBD, and the EVO/STI weigh less and should therefore have less overall braking requirements.
I got my information from this list, which I downloaded:
**note the relative positions of the cars I spoke about
BMW M3 GTR Schnitzer (11/2002) 7:12.25
Radical SR3 Turbo ( 7/2003) 7.19 (7:26 road tyres link???)
Porsche Carrera GT ( 9/2004) 7:32.44 (22.835km circuit)
TechArt-Porsche GT street ( 8/2001) 7:43
Pagani Zonda S ( 7/2002) 7:44
Porsche 911 GT2 ( 6/2001) 7:46
Porsche 911 GT3 RS ( 3/2004) 7:47
Porsche 911 GT3 Cup ( 2/1999) 7:49
Lamborghini Murciélago ( 6/2002) 7:50
BMW M3 CSL ( 8/2003) 7:50
Mercedes SLR McLaren ( 6/2004) 7:52
Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 (???) 7:52
Lamborghini Gallardo (12/2003) 7:52
Porsche 911 GT3 ( 6/2003) 7:54
Ferrari Challenge Stradale ( 2/2004) 7:56
Porsche 911 Turbo ( 6/2000) 7:56
Lotec-Porsche 911 Turbo ( 5/1998) 7:57
Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 (???) 7:59
That skyline time is "unofficial" because they removed the top-speed governor from it for the test. But, since the 911 turbo isnt limited, this really just shows what the cars are capable of.
Also, if you look at this excerpt of the race track results from the "Top Gear" TV show time-attacks, they show the STI and the EVO both ahead of the 911 turbo. If you have seen the TV show, the track is pretty techincal and relies on handling/braking more than pure power. Once again, ill bold the cars Im talking about:
Mitsubishi Evo VIII - 1.28.9
BMW Alpine Z8 - 1.29.0
Mercedes CL65 - 1.29
Alfa 3.7 GTA - 1.30.0
Subaru Impreza STI - 1.30.1
Vauxhall Monaro VXR - 1.30.1
Aston Martin DB7 GT - 1.30.4
Golf R32 - 1.30.4 -NEW
Audi S4 - 1.30.9
Porsche 911 turbo - 1.31.0
Vauxhall VX 220 turbo - 1.31.3
This is going tangental anyway. My point is that "exotics" dont necessarily hold any performance edges over well built tuner (or even "less exotic" factory) cars.
It's not difficult to get a lot of power out of a Porsche, though. Just a simple turbo swap, ECU reprogram, intake, exhaust, and fuel pressure regulator will get you over 600+hp.OHHHHH makes sensenow i was likeDAMN that must be one hell of a porsche. and as for the stories, i think ill pass, as i have a strong dislike for it already. lol.
AIM: RuinerTT
2005 Nissan Pathfinder LE
why dont we throw up the 2007 911 turbo for good measure
Quote Speedtv.com
"Around Germany’s Nürburgring track in the dry, the car’s lap time is 7min 49sec on standard tires (8min flat for the outgoing model) and 7min 42sec on the sports tires."
Also, on the top gear board, look what's right above the evo.
Porsche 911 Carrera S - 1.28.9 (very wet)
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AIM: RuinerTT
2005 Nissan Pathfinder LE
not shit... had to go get my lunch for the day.. you know my lettuce...
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A. The Skyline R34 GTR was not stock. It was a special edition if I remember correctly.
B. The time for the 911 turbo has a "*" after it (which was surprisingly left off for some reason). The * dictates a note: this test was done in the rain. I have a video of the test to prove this. If it has not been for the rain, it would have gone another 0.4-0.5 seconds faster.
Lightspeed: the info that you posted was inaccurate.
AIM: RuinerTT
2005 Nissan Pathfinder LE
it doesnt matter realy, because we all know i hold the record at the track with my miata LOL.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
a few responses, then I have to get some work done.
A. I dont recall it saying the skyline was modified, other than in the article it mentioned the skylines had the governor removed. I will say that I dont know, so I can argue that point. Im also not a huge skyline fan, so its not a huge deal to me anyway. If I could find that website again, I would gladly post the link. Thats not the first time Ive seen a list with that fast skyline in it either. In any case, that track is much more high-speed, so I expect a more powerful car to do relatively better. Its not "twisties."
B. I dont know if youre talking about the Nurburing or the Top Gear test. If its the Nurburing one, I would expect rain to have caused more of a difference than .5 sec on that big of a track. If you are talking about Top Gear, .5 sec still wouldnt have made-up the difference between the 996 and the STI even. I also didnt see any ***'s next to it, but here is the link from Top Gear's website, if you would like to try to find some ***'s.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps/index.shtml
I do see that they say the 911 carrera S test was with a very wet track, but they didnt mention it for the turbo. As a matter of fact, a lot of their tests in the shows are done in wet...it seems like it rains most of the time there. There is no reason to think the other cars didnt have the same issue.
I would consider their test track to be more indicative of "twisties" than a lot of other tracks though.
As for being inaccurate lists, I posted them as I found them. I dont see anything that inaccurate except for the other Ring list didnt show that particular skyline's times in it. Other cars that are shown on both lists show the same times.
And back to my only original point..."exotics" arent necessarily faster in the twisites, or anywhere else, than a well tuned non-exotic. I didnt even have a desire to harp on the 911 turbo specifically in this, since I dont consider it an exotic anyway. It was just a segway into the point.
A. At 320hp (advertised), a 3400lbs Skyline GT R34 is not going to outrun a 996TT (420hp European spec). My car will do 192mph stock, on the top end. The Skyline (stock) won't even come close. The coeffecient of drag will kill that nonsense. Also, the brakes on a 996TT are better and hold up better than that of an R34. That is a huge issue as well. Trust me, it wasn't stock. There was some work done to it beyond the governer.
B. Yes, I was talking about the top gear track. In dry weather, they (Jeremy Clarkson) said that it would be in the 1:26-1:27 area. That's 1 minute, 26 seconds. Yes, 0.5 s would have made a rather large difference. Like I said, I have the video of this test at home. I will gladly host it for you later if you would like. They put a * on the board where they mark the time down after the Stig drove it. The 996TT is faster than the new Carrera S (rated at 355hp). The track was also a LOT more wet than when the Carrera S ran as well. I have seen all the videos, you will just have to trust me on this one.
AIM: RuinerTT
2005 Nissan Pathfinder LE
OWNED!!!
lol, like you know. its not inaccurate just because it didnt spin the numbers the way ruiner wanted them to be seen. I just posted the information I could find quickly.
It was your silly comment that started this in the first place haha.
dude i would take what Brandon says any day over what you post and if you would like i can get a copy of that if we need to post it up
and yes my silly comment, i don't know how many 600whp+ sti you've taken up in the mountains lately but i know for a fact cars w/ 1/3 of that power can out handle and pull better times...
how about this you bring your 600whp sti out and brandon will bring his porsche and we'll find out?
i've rode in dan's car a couple of times and it is very fast, a little to laggy for me, but hey thats just my opinion. I may be about to get flamed, but I think a porsche is in a completely different league than the STi, this coming from a STi owner. If you doubt me, look at the porsche's hertiage, compared to subaru's. No matter how many aftermarket parts we add to our cars, the porsche will still be a better designed car, period.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/84375/porsche_911/
^^^ so you were wrong if track was dry it would go 1.27.5 like the porsche 911 GT3
the skyline gtr was not neccessarily modded, but it was the ztune edition. they took 25 skyline r34s and pretty much made them the jtc500 cars. but its common sense that a sti will never be a porsche.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
Well, it was not a "stock" R34 as I said. It was the R34 Z-tune edition; hardly a stock R34 in the sense of what was listed.
AIM: RuinerTT
2005 Nissan Pathfinder LE
i drove a porsche 944 turbo... lol it was the most non-well pulling car ever... I got more G's from a turbo'd honda.... It was
anyways i know all of the others except the boxter are on a whole 'nother level... but why the hell would porsche make the 944! lol
The value for 'em is under like 5k now ... which should tell you something... They are crazy unreliable, and pull like shit. A NA supra(mk3) will give it a run for the money.
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Randomguy: Try running in a tuned/modded 944 Turbo S.That will quickly change your opinion on things, I promise.
AIM: RuinerTT
2005 Nissan Pathfinder LE
correct, i was just further delving into what the r34 was.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
Thank you for your info, kind sir.correct, i was just further delving into what the r34 was.
AIM: RuinerTT
2005 Nissan Pathfinder LE
no problem what so ever. if i get really bored, i might make a post bout the z tune so everyone knows the difference. but im not quite sure i can bring myself to do that kind of strenuous google searching lol
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
bored....lol
http://www.nissangtrproto.com/nismo-z-tune-r34/
everything u need to understand how that gtr did so well.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
think i'd give my left nut for that carI can get off to this 7:19sec lap video
lol http://www.radicalmotorsport.com/gallery/ring2b.mpg
DEAR GOD!!!!!
and your left nut?
we might have a bargian LOL.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
are you sure thats the one they ran at nuburgring? That article looks pretty new. I remember seeing this list including a GTR for quite some time now. I agree it would justify the additional performance over the other ones in the list.
I wasnt at all trying to make any specific comparisons, Im just using examples. I know what the STI limitations are, and no its not as well designed as a Porsche. That wasnt the point here. But with the right parts, it (and many other cars) can be made to perform as well as a Porsche or an exotic, for much less money overall.
What are you talking about? Thats a normal 997 carrera s. I already said it was really wet on that run, but thats irrelevant. We arent discussing that car.
I wish that STI was mine. Mine is stock, although Id be glad to take it up to N. Georgia mountains and see whats what. I just got it last month, so I havent had time to really see what it can do.how about this you bring your 600whp sti out and brandon will bring his porsche and we'll find out?
yea, im almost 100% pos that is the one that was ran. Nismo ran it to show off the car WAY before the specs were released and the car released to the owners. i do know for, a fact, that top speed used it in their show, and its the gtr that is on the wall of times. unless i am proven wrong, i stand by the fact that the z tune was used at nureinburnging <<spelling>> as one i saw the video LOL and two, a stock gtr would never pull those times.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
it wasn't really aimed at you, just throwing my 2 cents out. make no mistake, i love my car, but i know its rank in the food chain.
thanks to whomever corrected the blatent misspelling on my part.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
Correction, why the hell did Porsche make the 924 (the cheapest of the poor man's porsche)? The 944 turbo (951) is only a 4 cylinder with just under 217hp (the '88 Turbo S had 250hp though) and unless the Honda was a SOHC turbo then it's gonna have quite a bit more than 220hp with minimal tuning...I've seen that 2.5 liter in the porsche built out the ass though. The best is a twin turbo LS1 in a 994 shelli drove a porsche 944 turbo... lol it was the most non-well pulling car ever... I got more G's from a turbo'd honda.... It was
anyways i know all of the others except the boxter are on a whole 'nother level... but why the hell would porsche make the 944! lol
The value for 'em is under like 5k now ... which should tell you something... They are crazy unreliable, and pull like shit. A NA supra(mk3) will give it a run for the money.
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lol yeah true... but for some reason i can stand the way the 924's look... I HATE the 944's lolCorrection, why the hell did Porsche make the 924 (the cheapest of the poor man's porsche)? The 944 turbo (951) is only a 4 cylinder with just under 217hp (the '88 Turbo S had 250hp though) and unless the Honda was a SOHC turbo then it's gonna have quite a bit more than 220hp with minimal tuning...I've seen that 2.5 liter in the porsche built out the ass though. The best is a twin turbo LS1 in a 994 shell
anyways porsche should stick with good shit and not release any more 'boxters' and cheyennes lol... it degrades the company. Maybe do a ferrari-maserati type of thing...but they're ruining the label.
#1. Boxer engine + Roadster = Boxster
#2. Porsche is 100% independent. Ferrari is not. They are owned by Fiat. They only make cars to suppliment their racing. They also have a parent company. Porsche does not. Porsche HAS to broaden its product line in order to sell cars. The Boxster and Cayenne SAVED Porsche from going under. I am not sure if you were aware of that or not...
AIM: RuinerTT
2005 Nissan Pathfinder LE
i personally like the Cayenne. at least the Cayenne S, its a refreshing take on the dull world of SUVs. and as for the boxter, well i cant hate it too much because the hardtop, something known as a Cayman, KICKS ASS.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
The Cayenne Turbo (450hp) or Cayenne Turbo S (520hp) are the only ones to get. The Cayenne and Cayenne S are N/A and thus, "eh" in comparison.
The Cayman S is a great car, but it runs about $10k too much I think...
AIM: RuinerTT
2005 Nissan Pathfinder LE
lol yea price is a bit high for me. and when i said i like the Cayenne i did not know there were N/A versions of them, so i meant the turbo. i thought it was just the Cayenne turbo and the turbo s. i stand corrected.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
Yeah, the Cayenne is a V6 and the Cayenne S is a V8. The Turbo and Turbo S are both TT V8s.lol yea price is a bit high for me. and when i said i like the Cayenne i did not know there were N/A versions of them, so i meant the turbo. i thought it was just the Cayenne turbo and the turbo s. i stand corrected.
AIM: RuinerTT
2005 Nissan Pathfinder LE
gotcha, well fuck those v6 sonsabitches i want the tt!
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
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