Someone lose a ferrari? this might of killed it...

[Ruiner]

Umm, thanks for the mis-quotes, but:
1. I said nothing about which skyline I was talking about. The r34 was faster in the list I saw.
2. I said nothing about "powerful" brakes, I said equal or better. I got this from a couple road tests that had 60-0 and 80-0 braking tests for the cars. Both the STI/EVO and the 911 turbo have very comparable braking hardware, including EBD, and the EVO/STI weigh less and should therefore have less overall braking requirements.

I got my information from this list, which I downloaded:
**note the relative positions of the cars I spoke about

BMW M3 GTR Schnitzer (11/2002) 7:12.25
Radical SR3 Turbo ( 7/2003) 7.19 (7:26 road tyres link???)
Porsche Carrera GT ( 9/2004) 7:32.44 (22.835km circuit)
TechArt-Porsche GT street ( 8/2001) 7:43
Pagani Zonda S ( 7/2002) 7:44
Porsche 911 GT2 ( 6/2001) 7:46
Porsche 911 GT3 RS ( 3/2004) 7:47
Porsche 911 GT3 Cup ( 2/1999) 7:49
Lamborghini Murciélago ( 6/2002) 7:50
BMW M3 CSL ( 8/2003) 7:50
Mercedes SLR McLaren ( 6/2004) 7:52
Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 (???) 7:52
Lamborghini Gallardo (12/2003) 7:52
Porsche 911 GT3 ( 6/2003) 7:54
Ferrari Challenge Stradale ( 2/2004) 7:56
Porsche 911 Turbo ( 6/2000) 7:56
Lotec-Porsche 911 Turbo ( 5/1998) 7:57
Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 (???) 7:59

That skyline time is "unofficial" because they removed the top-speed governor from it for the test. But, since the 911 turbo isnt limited, this really just shows what the cars are capable of.

Also, if you look at this excerpt of the race track results from the "Top Gear" TV show time-attacks, they show the STI and the EVO both ahead of the 911 turbo. If you have seen the TV show, the track is pretty techincal and relies on handling/braking more than pure power. Once again, ill bold the cars Im talking about:

Mitsubishi Evo VIII - 1.28.9
BMW Alpine Z8 - 1.29.0
Mercedes CL65 - 1.29
Alfa 3.7 GTA - 1.30.0
Subaru Impreza STI - 1.30.1
Vauxhall Monaro VXR - 1.30.1
Aston Martin DB7 GT - 1.30.4
Golf R32 - 1.30.4 -NEW
Audi S4 - 1.30.9
Porsche 911 turbo - 1.31.0
Vauxhall VX 220 turbo - 1.31.3

This is going tangental anyway. My point is that "exotics" dont necessarily hold any performance edges over well built tuner (or even "less exotic" factory) cars.

A. The Skyline R34 GTR was not stock. It was a special edition if I remember correctly.
B. The time for the 911 turbo has a "*" after it (which was surprisingly left off for some reason). The * dictates a note: this test was done in the rain. I have a video of the test to prove this. If it has not been for the rain, it would have gone another 0.4-0.5 seconds faster.

Lightspeed: the info that you posted was inaccurate.

[lightspeed]

A. The Skyline R34 GTR was not stock. It was a special edition if I remember correctly.
B. The time for the 911 turbo has a "*" after it (which was surprisingly left off for some reason). The * dictates a note: this test was done in the rain. I have a video of the test to prove this. If it has not been for the rain, it would have gone another 0.4-0.5 seconds faster.
Lightspeed: the info that you posted was inaccurate.

a few responses, then I have to get some work done.
A. I dont recall it saying the skyline was modified, other than in the article it mentioned the skylines had the governor removed. I will say that I dont know, so I can argue that point. Im also not a huge skyline fan, so its not a huge deal to me anyway. If I could find that website again, I would gladly post the link. Thats not the first time Ive seen a list with that fast skyline in it either. In any case, that track is much more high-speed, so I expect a more powerful car to do relatively better. Its not "twisties."
B. I dont know if youre talking about the Nurburing or the Top Gear test. If its the Nurburing one, I would expect rain to have caused more of a difference than .5 sec on that big of a track. If you are talking about Top Gear, .5 sec still wouldnt have made-up the difference between the 996 and the STI even. I also didnt see any ***'s next to it, but here is the link from Top Gear's website, if you would like to try to find some ***'s.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps/index.shtml
I do see that they say the 911 carrera S test was with a very wet track, but they didnt mention it for the turbo. As a matter of fact, a lot of their tests in the shows are done in wet...it seems like it rains most of the time there. There is no reason to think the other cars didnt have the same issue.
I would consider their test track to be more indicative of "twisties" than a lot of other tracks though.

As for being inaccurate lists, I posted them as I found them. I dont see anything that inaccurate except for the other Ring list didnt show that particular skyline's times in it. Other cars that are shown on both lists show the same times.
And back to my only original point..."exotics" arent necessarily faster in the twisites, or anywhere else, than a well tuned non-exotic. I didnt even have a desire to harp on the 911 turbo specifically in this, since I dont consider it an exotic anyway. It was just a segway into the point.

[Ruiner]

a few responses, then I have to get some work done.
A. I dont recall it saying the skyline was modified, other than in the article it mentioned the skylines had the governor removed. I will say that I dont know, so I can argue that point. Im also not a huge skyline fan, so its not a huge deal to me anyway. If I could find that website again, I would gladly post the link. Thats not the first time Ive seen a list with that fast skyline in it either. In any case, that track is much more high-speed, so I expect a more powerful car to do relatively better. Its not "twisties."
B. I dont know if youre talking about the Nurburing or the Top Gear test. If its the Nurburing one, I would expect rain to have caused more of a difference than .5 sec on that big of a track. If you are talking about Top Gear, .5 sec still wouldnt have made-up the difference between the 996 and the STI even. I also didnt see any ***'s next to it, but here is the link from Top Gear's website, if you would like to try to find some ***'s.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps/index.shtml
I do see that they say the 911 carrera S test was with a very wet track, but they didnt mention it for the turbo. As a matter of fact, a lot of their tests in the shows are done in wet...it seems like it rains most of the time there. There is no reason to think the other cars didnt have the same issue.
I would consider their test track to be more indicative of "twisties" than a lot of other tracks though.

As for being inaccurate lists, I posted them as I found them. I dont see anything that inaccurate except for the other Ring list didnt show that particular skyline's times in it. Other cars that are shown on both lists show the same times.
And back to my only original point..."exotics" arent necessarily faster in the twisites, or anywhere else, than a well tuned non-exotic. I didnt even have a desire to harp on the 911 turbo specifically in this, since I dont consider it an exotic anyway. It was just a segway into the point.

A. At 320hp (advertised), a 3400lbs Skyline GT R34 is not going to outrun a 996TT (420hp European spec). My car will do 192mph stock, on the top end. The Skyline (stock) won't even come close. The coeffecient of drag will kill that nonsense. Also, the brakes on a 996TT are better and hold up better than that of an R34. That is a huge issue as well. Trust me, it wasn't stock. There was some work done to it beyond the governer.

B. Yes, I was talking about the top gear track. In dry weather, they (Jeremy Clarkson) said that it would be in the 1:26-1:27 area. That's 1 minute, 26 seconds. Yes, 0.5 s would have made a rather large difference. Like I said, I have the video of this test at home. I will gladly host it for you later if you would like. They put a * on the board where they mark the time down after the Stig drove it. The 996TT is faster than the new Carrera S (rated at 355hp). The track was also a LOT more wet than when the Carrera S ran as well. I have seen all the videos, you will just have to trust me on this one.

[4dmin]

A. The Skyline R34 GTR was not stock. It was a special edition if I remember correctly.
B. The time for the 911 turbo has a "*" after it (which was surprisingly left off for some reason). The * dictates a note: this test was done in the rain. I have a video of the test to prove this. If it has not been for the rain, it would have gone another 0.4-0.5 seconds faster.

Lightspeed: the info that you posted was inaccurate.

OWNED!!!

[lightspeed]

OWNED!!!

lol, like you know. its not inaccurate just because it didnt spin the numbers the way ruiner wanted them to be seen. I just posted the information I could find quickly.
It was your silly comment that started this in the first place haha.

[4dmin]

lol, like you know. its not inaccurate just because it didnt spin the numbers the way ruiner wanted them to be seen. I just posted the information I could find quickly.
It was your silly comment that started this in the first place haha.

dude i would take what Brandon says any day over what you post and if you would like i can get a copy of that if we need to post it up


and yes my silly comment, i don't know how many 600whp+ sti you've taken up in the mountains lately but i know for a fact cars w/ 1/3 of that power can out handle and pull better times...

how about this you bring your 600whp sti out and brandon will bring his porsche and we'll find out?