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12-16-2012, 07:14 PM
Sinfix_15

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelson9995

Why are you bringing up a 2jz and a 305???

I SPECIFICALLY NAMED 4 MOTORS.
SR20, KA24, RB25, RB26

Nothing else.

I'm trying to frame the parameters of your bullshit argument.

Why isnt a 305 better than a Rb26? it has more displacement.
12-16-2012, 07:17 PM
nelson9995

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

I'm trying to frame the parameters of your bullshit argument.

Why isnt a 305 better than a Rb26? it has more displacement.

Some motors just weren't meant for top end. While the 305 is a Low Revving torque monster, the RB26 has a better balance and is more of a High revving, get going type of motor.
12-16-2012, 07:18 PM
nelson9995

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelson9995

Some motors just weren't meant for top end. While the 305 is a Low Revving torque monster, the RB26 has a better balance and is more of a High revving, get going type of motor.

Internally, I know nothing of a 305 btw.
12-16-2012, 07:22 PM
Sinfix_15

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelson9995

Some motors just weren't meant for top end. While the 305 is a Low Revving torque monster, the RB26 has a better balance and is more of a High revving, get going type of motor.

"get going type of motor".... well, i must admit it is going to be difficult for me to counter this profound wisdom on display here... but i'll take a stab at it.

Kind of how the sr20 has superior top end over the Ka24? or how the sr20 has a far more technologically advanced head and valve train design?

Also, previously you said...

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelson9995

Compression, cams, flow of head, turbo, psi, etc.. can all be altered... The size and material of the motor can't.

You realize that the 2.4 isnt the actual "size of the engine" right??? you know that lengthening the rod stroke adds displacement correct?
12-16-2012, 07:23 PM
Sinfix_15

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelson9995

Internally, I know nothing of a 305 btw.

oh no worries, im certain that nobody was under the impression that you knew anything.
12-16-2012, 07:25 PM
nelson9995

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

"get going type of motor".... well, i must admit it is going to be difficult for me to counter this profound wisdom on display here... but i'll take a stab at it.

Kind of how the sr20 has superior top end over the Ka24? or how the sr20 has a far more technologically advanced head and valve train design?

Also, previously you said...

You realize that the 2.4 isnt the actual "size of the engine" right??? you know that lengthening the rods adds displacement correct?

Yes, also making a bigger crank.
12-16-2012, 07:26 PM
HypnoToad

I had a 305,lol
12-16-2012, 07:28 PM
Sinfix_15

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelson9995

Yes, also making a bigger crank.

Ok, so what happens to an engines RPM when you lengthen the stroke?
12-16-2012, 07:30 PM
nelson9995

There you go again. I Was simply talking about what makes more power.
Not about what is more technologically advanced.
12-16-2012, 07:31 PM
nelson9995

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

Ok, so what happens to an engines RPM when you lengthen the stroke?

They drop.

What happens when the actual piston is alot bigger and the crank is not too much bigger?
12-16-2012, 07:31 PM
nelson9995

come on dude. quit quizzing me lol.
I know exactly how a piston motor works internally.
12-16-2012, 07:31 PM
Sinfix_15

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelson9995

There you go again. I Was simply talking about what makes more power.
Not about what is more technologically advanced.

Ok, so you said a rb26 is better than a 305 because its more technologically advanced, even though the 305 is more displacement.
You also say a KA24 is better than an sr20 because it has more displacement, even though the sr20 is more technologically advanced.
12-16-2012, 07:33 PM
nelson9995

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

Ok, so you said a rb26 is better than a 305 because its more technologically advanced, even though the 305 is more displacement.
You also say a KA24 is better than an sr20 because it has more displacement, even though the sr20 is more technologically advanced.

Twisting my words again.
No.
I said the RB26 is wayyyy more balanced.

boreXstroke
12-16-2012, 07:34 PM
Catnip

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

Ok, so you said a rb26 is better than a 305 because its more technologically advanced, even though the 305 is more displacement.
You also say a KA24 is better than an sr20 because it has more displacement, even though the sr20 is more technologically advanced.

Come on. You're twisting his words.
12-16-2012, 07:36 PM
Sinfix_15

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelson9995

They drop.

What happens when the actual piston is alot bigger and the crank is not too much bigger?

Ok.... a 305 chevy's pistons are 3.7 inches... a rb26's pistons are 3.3 inches and it has 2 less of them....

so clearly a 305 chevy is better right?
12-16-2012, 07:36 PM
nelson9995

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catnip

Come on. You're twisting his words.

Finally!
12-16-2012, 07:37 PM
nelson9995

No, the Crank/rods are alot bigger. Therefore dropping RPMS, making it makes its power down low.
12-16-2012, 07:38 PM
nelson9995

Would you take 480whp and 470 wtq?

or 480whp and 370 wtq and rev .5 higher?
12-16-2012, 07:38 PM
Sinfix_15

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelson9995

Twisting my words again.
No.
I said the RB26 is wayyyy more balanced.

boreXstroke

305 = 3.7x3.4 .3 diff
rb26 = 3.3x2.8 .5 diff

How is the rb26 more balanced?
12-16-2012, 07:40 PM
HypnoToad

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

Ok.... a 305 chevy's pistons are 3.7 inches... a rb26's pistons are 3.3 inches and it has 2 less of them....

so clearly a 305 chevy is better right?

305 heads are made for tq and fuel milage,revs to 4k...max tq at 2k....RB is a performance built with better flowing heads,intake and ofcourse F/I....but I get the point you were making,just cause something is bigger doesn't make it better.

KAs are truck motors..end of story.
12-16-2012, 07:40 PM
Sinfix_15

Quote:

Originally Posted by HypnoToad

305 heads are made for tq and fuel milage,revs to 4k...max tq at 2k....RB is a performance built with better flowing heads,intake and ofcourse F/I....but I get the point you were making,just cause something is bigger doesn't make it better.

KAs are truck motors..end of story.

This is what im getting at...... just doing it VERYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY slowly, so that i dont lose Nelson along the way.
12-16-2012, 07:41 PM
Echonova

305 = greatest motor ever in the history of motors because it is the perfect balance between displacement and technology.

If you don't know that, you are clearly a dumb-ass and ignorant of the latest trends.
12-16-2012, 07:41 PM
nelson9995

See what you do.
Fall out of topic.

I clearly stated 4 motors.

You brought a motor i initially told you I knew nothing INTERNALLY about.

What are you doing?
Are you trying to make me look bad by making me look stupid on something we are not discussing?
Or you know you lost the argument and are doing the above?
12-16-2012, 07:42 PM
nelson9995

See what he did.
I'm no fool. I clearly told him I know nothing internally of a 305.
12-16-2012, 07:43 PM
Sinfix_15

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelson9995

See what you do.
Fall out of topic.

I clearly stated 4 motors.

You brought a motor i initially told you I knew nothing INTERNALLY about.

What are you doing?
Are you trying to make me look bad by making me look stupid on something we are not discussing?
Or you know you lost the argument and are doing the above?

You dont have to know anything about a 305 to understand the point i am making.

you said "no replacement for displacement".... have we established that this statement is false yet?
12-16-2012, 07:43 PM
Catnip

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelson9995

See what you do.
Fall out of topic.

I clearly stated 4 motors.

You brought a motor i initially told you I knew nothing INTERNALLY about.

What are you doing?
Are you trying to make me look bad by making me look stupid on something we are not discussing?
Or you know you lost the argument and are doing the above?

I THINK he's trying to make a point with an example to prove you wrong with said arguement...

lol. Funny that you don't get that.

PS. you said you understand how a piston motor works, so you should be able to follow his train of thought.
12-16-2012, 07:46 PM
HypnoToad

305 = KA
4valve 4.6 = SR20DET...lol
12-16-2012, 07:46 PM
nelson9995

My argument is/was...

When it comes to making power under the same conditions, it went like this
SR20<KA24<Rb25<RB26

He took it out of context.
He initially lost the argument and took it somewhere else.
12-16-2012, 07:48 PM
nelson9995

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catnip

PS. you said you understand how a piston motor works, so you should be able to follow his train of thought.

I do.
And I hae answered all of his question correctly internally about a motor.

I am now waiting on his response to my question.
12-16-2012, 07:48 PM
Sinfix_15

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelson9995

My argument is/was...

When it comes to making power under the same conditions, it went like this
SR20<KA24<Rb25<RB26

He took it out of context.
He initially lost the argument and took it somewhere else.

Ok, so explain why the fastest car powered by either a sr20,ka,rb-anything... is powered by an sr20.
12-16-2012, 07:49 PM
Sinfix_15

Quote:

Originally Posted by HypnoToad

305 = KA
4valve 4.6 = SR20DET...lol

If only it were this easy for Nelson to follow.
12-16-2012, 07:49 PM
HypnoToad

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelson9995

My argument is/was...

When it comes to making power under the same conditions, it went like this
KA24<SR20< LSx

He took it out of context.
He initially lost the argument and took it somewhere else.

Fixed :p
12-16-2012, 07:50 PM
nelson9995

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

Ok, so explain why the fastest car powered by either a sr20,ka,rb-anything... is powered by an sr20.

Stick to my original argument.
480, 470
or
480, 370 and .5 more rev for all out drag?
12-16-2012, 07:51 PM
nelson9995

Those are your opinions which I understand and don't argue. That is personal preference you like one over the other, great!

My question is the above? please respond.
12-16-2012, 07:51 PM
Sinfix_15

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelson9995

Stick to my original argument.
480, 470
or
480, 370 and .5 more rev for all out drag?

whos a better QB, Tom Brady with 3 arms or Aaron Rodgers with 2 heads?
12-16-2012, 07:53 PM
nelson9995

Why won't you answer my question?
12-16-2012, 07:57 PM
Sinfix_15

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelson9995

Why won't you answer my question?

The question serves no purpose and leaves open far too many variables for any point to be made.

What if the 480 hp 470 tq was a ford powerstroke that peaked hp at 3200 rpm
What if the 480 hp 370 tq was a rotary engine that revved 10k rpm
12-16-2012, 07:58 PM
nelson9995

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

The question serves no purpose and leaves open far too many variables for any point to be made.

What if the 480 hp 470 tq was a ford powerstroke that peaked hp at 3200 rpm
What if the 480 hp 370 tq was a rotary engine that revved 10k rpm

I clearly stated .5 more rev. Meaning One revs to 9k, the other 9.5k.
12-16-2012, 07:59 PM
Sinfix_15

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelson9995

I clearly stated .5 more rev. Meaning One revs to 9k, the other 9.5k.

yes, and this is a fictional scenario..... like Tom Brady with 3 arms and Aaron Rodgers with 2 heads.
12-16-2012, 08:04 PM
Catnip

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelson9995

Stick to my original argument.
480, 470
or
480, 370 and .5 more rev for all out drag?

How much does the vehicle weigh? Auto or manual? If manual, how many gears? If auto how many gears and what RPM stall? What size tires? What ring and pinion gear? 1/4 mile or 1/8th mile? Please post the dyno graphs so I can see the powerbands.

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