Look up some ka24 dyno sheets (7.5krpm, torque will almost=hp everytime...) and some sr20 dyno sheets( 8k rpm, tk usually around 80-100 less than hp).
I have personally at a tuning shop been shown what I am stating...
This is a very typical scenario matter fact.
http://amsteam.net/files/3/FS240dyno.JPG
Here's a sample ka24det dyno.
Is it better or worse for a turbo car to peak it's power at a lower rpm??
Is it better or worse for a turbo car to have a shorter rpm range?
for comparison, here's a sr20 sample dyno.
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...7206_00000.jpg
All those variables beeing the same. except 1/4 / 1/8 mile times lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catnip
lol you are showing a stock ka24.
Aren't we talking about all out dragging?
How much of a factor is low end torque for a sr20 powered drag car launching at it's torque peak?
Have you ever paid any attention what so ever to how turbo cars launch??????
You'll always notice a way bigger gap in the whp/wtq with a sr20.
No matter what HP dynosheet you post next about an sr20, we are not talking about the number, as too many variables can determine that, but rather the whp/wtq gap.
292 whp is a stock ka24???Quote:
Originally Posted by nelson9995
You'll always notice a way bigger gap in the whp/wtq with a sr20.
No matter what HP dynosheet you post next about an sr20, we are not talking about the number, as too many variables can determine that, but rather the whp/wtq gap and RPM
Internally stock is what I mean
The point is... the gap doesnt matter....... you dont need low range torque with you launch at 5k rpm with the turbo spooled and then gain power throughout the rev.Quote:
Originally Posted by nelson9995
We're arguing who would win the game played yesterday..... we already know the score....... THE FASTEST SR20 IS FASTER THAN THE FASTEST RB26...... AND A HELL OF A LOT FASTER THAN THE FASTEST KA24.....
who gives a fucking fuck about internally stock you fucking brain dead jackass....... but.... if you do want to talk internally stock, that pretty much deletes KAs from the argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by nelson9995
THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE POSTING YOU DICKHEAD!
I can't help that you post a stock ka
So my daughter just dyed her hair pink without asking permission first...
I blame this thread.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_taVIIhGSgT...20det+drag.jpg
You see that big thing that looks like a hair drier on this engine..... THAT is the replacement for displacement.... when you build a turbo engine.... you funnel everything into the turbo.... every mod is what's better for the turbo.....
Increasing your compression ratio makes more power, yet you decrease your compression ratio so you can use more turbo.........
same concept with the sr20 vs ka24...... the sr20 is an engine stable at high rpm that has a valvetrain capable of eating more turbo. That is why it's better.
292 hp is not a stock KA you jackass.Quote:
Originally Posted by nelson9995
this is what a stock ka24de dyno looks like
http://www.datsuns.com/Tech/stock98-240sxdyno.jpg
I post a dyno sheet of a TURBO'D ka24de and he confuses it for a stock dyno........
End of thread.
I started this thread to pick on E36....... but i have to be honest and say that arguing with him at this point would be a breath of fresh air compared to Nelson.
I asked you a question. You didn't answer.
Took that question to something that has TOOOOO many variables in it.
My initial argument has been proven whether God himself came down and built the sr20 and it was so much better than the ka24.
I'm impressed with that dynoQuote:
Originally Posted by Sinfix_15
This SR20 makes 1400hp.... is more powerful and faster than any KA24 in existence at any point in time in human history from any place on the planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by nelson9995
http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-conte...TREME-5892.jpg
Nelson, is the 2.4 Mivec in a standard lancer better than the 2.0 Mivec in an Evo?
No idea...
What about under the same conditions, more reliably, less lag, better powerband and cheaper don't you understand.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nelson9995
lol, Cheaper...
So you're saying a 1400hp 6 second 200mph ka24 is more reliable than a 1400hp 6 second 200mph sr20?Quote:
Originally Posted by nelson9995
oh wait that's right..... a 1400hp ka24 doesnt exist.
Because noone cared to put as much money into the ka as they did with the sr. SAME CONDITIONS
Under the same conditions??? so this is assuming that the ka24 can handle every condition that the sr20 can? or do we have to handicap the sr20 down the ka's level to make this argument?
if so... i win again.
You know what happens if you put the turbo above on a ka24???
http://images.wikia.com/fallout/imag...-explosion.jpg
And why didn't they bother?Quote:
Originally Posted by nelson9995
That's right- because it's an inferior motor.
so you're saying that people who race for a living and are attempting to break world records chose to use the sr20 while ignoring that "cheaper, more reliable, more torque" and better engine the ka24???Quote:
Originally Posted by nelson9995
HOLY HELL!!!!! SOMEONE NEEDS TO CALL THEM UP AND INFORM THEM OF THIS THREAD!!!! THEY NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE KA24 NELSON!!!! TELL THEM BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!!!!!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...mateProper.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Catnip
The Ka24's fame comes from the underdog mentality. Everybody loves an underdog.... wants to win with something that isnt suppose to win. That's cute and all... but SR20>KA24... always was.. always will be.
The ka24 came in this........
http://www.use.com/images/s_3/NISSAN...5ac55dea52.jpg
The sr20 came in this.......
http://autocarspeed.com/wp-content/u...Left-White.jpg
PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION...
YOU KEEP GOING OUT OF CONTEXT.
I'm going to start a petition, how many people need to tell you that you're a moron before you believe that you are a moron?Quote:
Originally Posted by nelson9995
There's no reason to.Quote:
Originally Posted by nelson9995
A. You won't understand.
B. You haven't understood.
C. You're wrong on almost every account.
There is only one true answer to this thread.
Miata.
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...psbd47e8f2.jpg
I'm going to play devil's advocate here. When money is put into it, a KA24 can be a very nice motor. You can't really make the argument that because it came in a truck, it's a piece of shit motor. What about the millions of small block Chevys that came in full size Chevy trucks and vans that were pulled, beefed up, and went on to make stupid horsepower and torque in a Nova, Chevelle, Camaro, etc? Or what about the many 302 Fords that came in F100/150s and were pulled, hot rodded or turbocharged, and went on to power some very fast Fords? Or what about the VG33s that came in Pathfinders that were pulled, beefed up somehow, and went into VG powered Nissans of the 80s?
that picture is nothing short of amazing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echonova
The corvette had the ls platform in '97 where as the trucks didn't get the ls platform until '00.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt300ZXT
Nothing else you said matters.