does this mean i'm a bad person?

[Sinfix_15]

#1 - We aren't in Africa, we are in the United States, and pulling over for a funeral is an American tradition. If you want African traditions, move to Africa. If you are residing in the United States, have respect and pull over.
Don't go off on tangents.

#2 - I said nothing about the funeral business. This is separate from tradition. Perhaps you should research family burials. In Georgia, you are allowed to perform burials on your own, as long as you stay within the state guidelines. If you want to build a coffin, and bury your dead on your own land, that is legally permissable.

#3 - I've paid for funerals berfore, and have never spent $10K. Have you ever paid for a funeral? Not sure where you came up with that figure. The average is $6K from what I have read. Of course, you can DIY and save more - that your choice. Most people choose to spend the money, and focus their time on taking care of family needs.

#4 - Funeral escort police are not showing respect - they are directing traffic, to prevent accidents. An accident would slow you down even more, and you would be on here complaining about that. Most people that go to a funeral do not know where the burial site is, and the likelihood that they would try to run a red light trying to keep up the car in front is higher. Police are there to help YOU get where YOU are going. BTW - Those high funeral fees help pay for the police escort.
Do you think that driving on the roads is right? It is not. Do some legal homework.

#5 - Funeral processions are not affiliated with religion. You show ignorance once again.

#6 - If you don't like American customs, move out of the country. Don't be surprised though where you find that everyplace has traditions and customs.

Here is a book that addresses family burials and has a section on GA laws. http://www.amazon.com/Caring-Dead-Yo.../dp/0942679210

#1 i dont follow ridiculous traditions regardless of my location.

#2 And if those people were burying their loved ones on their own land, they wouldnt be blocking traffic and i would have nothing to complain about.

#3 "According to FuneralTips.com, in 2009 the average funeral cost is around $7,500. While the casket alone can range between $600 and $10,000, the average cost was about $2,300. The basic service fee for the funeral director was $1,400, plus $600 for embalming, $400 for calling hours, $450 for a ceremony, $625 for transportation and $500 for miscellaneous expenses including writing and placing the obituary, obtaining the proper permits and providing a register book." Chose to do whatever you wish with your time and money. If you want to get in a line of 50 cars and travel to a place..... stop a red lights... i wont have a problem with it.

#4 Same thing could happen to me if im in a hurry because im late for work or trying to get somewhere. The convoy delaying my travel by 20 minutes made me continue to my destination at an increased rate of speed to maintain schedule, no police escorted me for safety. Clearly the police agree with me since in a lot of areas around the united states they are beginning to stop these services.

Do some homework? ok.... "The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by horse drawn carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city can prohibit or permit at will, but a common Right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." [emphasis added] Thompson vs. Smith, 154 SE 579

#5 The Middle Paleolithic (Middle Stone Age) spans the period from 300,000 to 50,000 years ago. Some of the earliest significant evidence of religious practices dates from this period. Intentional burial, particularly with grave goods may be one of the earliest detectable forms of religious practice since, as Philip Lieberman suggests, it may signify a "concern for the dead that transcends daily life."[3] Though disputed, evidence suggests that the Neanderthals were the first hominids to intentionally bury the dead, doing so in shallow graves along with stone tools and animal bones.[4] Exemplary sites include Shanidar in Iraq, Kebara Cave in Israel and Krapina in Croatia. Some scholars, however argue that these bodies may have been disposed of for secular reasons.[5] According to recent archeological findings from H. heidelbergensis sites in Atapuerca, humans may have begun burying their dead much earlier during the late Lower Paleolithic but this theory is widely questioned in the scientific community. Cut marks on Neanderthal bones from various sites such as Combe-Grenal and Abri Moula in France may imply that the Neanderthals like some contemporary human cultures may have practiced excarnation for religious reasons.

#6 1st amendment - The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

I am using my freedom of speech to address my grievances against an establishment of religion using the law to interfere with my right to peacefully assemble at my destination as scheduled.

[David88vert]

#1 i dont follow ridiculous traditions regardless of my location.

#2 And if those people were burying their loved ones on their own land, they wouldnt be blocking traffic and i would have nothing to complain about.

#3 "According to FuneralTips.com, in 2009 the average funeral cost is around $7,500. While the casket alone can range between $600 and $10,000, the average cost was about $2,300. The basic service fee for the funeral director was $1,400, plus $600 for embalming, $400 for calling hours, $450 for a ceremony, $625 for transportation and $500 for miscellaneous expenses including writing and placing the obituary, obtaining the proper permits and providing a register book." Chose to do whatever you wish with your time and money. If you want to get in a line of 50 cars and travel to a place..... stop a red lights... i wont have a problem with it.

#4 Same thing could happen to me if im in a hurry because im late for work or trying to get somewhere. The convoy delaying my travel by 20 minutes made me continue to my destination at an increased rate of speed to maintain schedule, no police escorted me for safety. Clearly the police agree with me since in a lot of areas around the united states they are beginning to stop these services.

Do some homework? ok.... "The Right of the Citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by horse drawn carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city can prohibit or permit at will, but a common Right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." [emphasis added] Thompson vs. Smith, 154 SE 579

#5 The Middle Paleolithic (Middle Stone Age) spans the period from 300,000 to 50,000 years ago. Some of the earliest significant evidence of religious practices dates from this period. Intentional burial, particularly with grave goods may be one of the earliest detectable forms of religious practice since, as Philip Lieberman suggests, it may signify a "concern for the dead that transcends daily life."[3] Though disputed, evidence suggests that the Neanderthals were the first hominids to intentionally bury the dead, doing so in shallow graves along with stone tools and animal bones.[4] Exemplary sites include Shanidar in Iraq, Kebara Cave in Israel and Krapina in Croatia. Some scholars, however argue that these bodies may have been disposed of for secular reasons.[5] According to recent archeological findings from H. heidelbergensis sites in Atapuerca, humans may have begun burying their dead much earlier during the late Lower Paleolithic but this theory is widely questioned in the scientific community. Cut marks on Neanderthal bones from various sites such as Combe-Grenal and Abri Moula in France may imply that the Neanderthals like some contemporary human cultures may have practiced excarnation for religious reasons.

#6 1st amendment - The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

I am using my freedom of speech to address my grievances against an establishment of religion using the law to interfere with my right to peacefully assemble at my destination as scheduled.

You brought up traditions from outside of our continent as though it would support you.

You think that you own the road because you pay taxes? your tax money goes into a general fund, part of which pays for road work. You do not own it, it is for the common good, and "75 cousins" are more of the common than one of you.

So, now you drop 25% of the average cost off....

Nothing says that they have to have a home burial, just that they have the right to. If you want to bury your dead on your own land, I have not problem with it. If I choose to pay to have mine buried, then leave me and mine alone to do so.

"If you want to get in a line of 50 cars and travel to a place..... stop a red lights... i wont have a problem with it." - Evidently you do, as you started this thread.

If you choose to speed, then that is on you. You can't use your statement earlier as a defense, but just to humor you - "75 cousins" speeding through a light sounds to be more dangerous than your one car.

Thompson vs Smith was about driver licensing. It has nothing to do with you not being delayed by a funeral procession. The police are not telling you that you cannot use the roadways, they are simply directing traffic. To think that you should never be delayed on the road is idiotic. I suppose that you will next say that you should not have to pull to the side for emergency vehicles either, as they slow you down from getting to the liquor store. Like I said, go study up.

Burial services are not tied to Christianity, Buddism, Hinduism, etc. Most Americans, including atheists, bury their dead. You have no common sense if you cannot understand that.

You have the right to free speech, but you have no clue about what the First Amendment is about, based upon your statement. Police escorts for funerals are not an establishment of any state-sponsored religion. You seek to stop police escorts and thus block people from peacefully assembling to bury their dead? You are looking to restrict those that have religious beliefs that they must bury their dead? See, I can turn that around also.

If you really believe the garbage that you are spewing, you are beyond hope, and reflect poorly upon your family.

[Sinfix_15]

You brought up traditions from outside of our continent as though it would support you.

You think that you own the road because you pay taxes? your tax money goes into a general fund, part of which pays for road work. You do not own it, it is for the common good, and "75 cousins" are more of the common than one of you.

So, now you drop 25% of the average cost off....

Nothing says that they have to have a home burial, just that they have the right to. If you want to bury your dead on your own land, I have not problem with it. If I choose to pay to have mine buried, then leave me and mine alone to do so.

"If you want to get in a line of 50 cars and travel to a place..... stop a red lights... i wont have a problem with it." - Evidently you do, as you started this thread.

If you choose to speed, then that is on you. You can't use your statement earlier as a defense, but just to humor you - "75 cousins" speeding through a light sounds to be more dangerous than your one car.

Thompson vs Smith was about driver licensing. It has nothing to do with you not being delayed by a funeral procession. The police are not telling you that you cannot use the roadways, they are simply directing traffic. To think that you should never be delayed on the road is idiotic. I suppose that you will next say that you should not have to pull to the side for emergency vehicles either, as they slow you down from getting to the liquor store. Like I said, go study up.

Burial services are not tied to Christianity, Buddism, Hinduism, etc. Most Americans, including atheists, bury their dead. You have no common sense if you cannot understand that.

You have the right to free speech, but you have no clue about what the First Amendment is about, based upon your statement. Police escorts for funerals are not an establishment of any state-sponsored religion. You seek to stop police escorts and thus block people from peacefully assembling to bury their dead? You are looking to restrict those that have religious beliefs that they must bury their dead? See, I can turn that around also.

If you really believe the garbage that you are spewing, you are beyond hope, and reflect poorly upon your family.

I dont own the road. I share it. Nothing i do on the public road delays anyone else. Light is red, i stop. Stop sign, i stop. I never go cruising with 50 of my friends and ignore traffic signals.

The information provided said the avg cost of a funeral was $7500 in 2009 with a coffin alone potentially costing as high as $10k. I dont think that there's argument against the idea that the cost of funeral services greatly out weigh their value.

If the funeral convoys stopped and red lights, they wouldnt have interfered with my travel and i wouldnt have had any issue. Are you even reading? Doesnt appear so for someone so confident in questioning another's intelligence.

There's no need for the 75 cousins to be in a hurry. If they endanger themselves, that is their own fault. Everyone has some place to be, yet we all have to obey traffic laws and travel safely. Funeral appointment isnt an excuse to drive recklessly. Leave early like the rest of us.

I gladly pull over for emergency vehicles as i respect their need for urgency and the lives theyre attempting to save in addition to the risk they have to their own. There's absolutely no relation between that and a group of people participating in a (i guess debatable) religious ceremony. No need for someone who passed away to be in a hurry. I understand the need for an ambulance to be in a hurry.

You're right, if i chose to speed, its my fault. Same for the 75 cousins if they chose to ignore traffic signs in an effort to arrive at the same time.

There's no law against me being delayed on public streets, however.... i have a right to use public streets, i must follow the laws of the road and expect everyone else to do the same. I dont feel a (debatabale) religious custom is more important than anyone else's need to get somewhere on time. Maybe stuck in traffic there was a soldier going home to see his wife and kids for the first time in a year, maybe someone who had been unemployed for a year was on their way to a job interview, maybe a single mother who was driving a car without air conditioning had her toddler on board... i can think of a million reasons that are more justified than rushing a group of people to a funeral home so they can have their guilt exploited by a 15 billion $ a year business that uses religious ignorance to pressure people into thinking that spending their hard earned money on a burial ceremony is an honor to the deceased.

Burial ceremony has multiple religious ties and origins, i honestly dont understand how you're denying this.

I do not wish to stop people from peacefully assembling to bury their dead. Even though i am an Atheist, i respect people of all religions rights to do anything they please. They can put together a convoy of 150 cars and travel to the park for a prayer meeting to drink cookies and punch.... that's perfectly fine... hell, i may stop and share a cookie with them...... however........................................... .... i expect every single one of them to stop at red lights.

I am individual. My actions are my own and reflect only on myself.

[David88vert]

I dont own the road. I share it. Nothing i do on the public road delays anyone else. Light is red, i stop. Stop sign, i stop. I never go cruising with 50 of my friends and ignore traffic signals.

The information provided said the avg cost of a funeral was $7500 in 2009 with a coffin alone potentially costing as high as $10k. I dont think that there's argument against the idea that the cost of funeral services greatly out weigh their value.

If the funeral convoys stopped and red lights, they wouldnt have interfered with my travel and i wouldnt have had any issue. Are you even reading? Doesnt appear so for someone so confident in questioning another's intelligence.

There's no need for the 75 cousins to be in a hurry. If they endanger themselves, that is their own fault. Everyone has some place to be, yet we all have to obey traffic laws and travel safely. Funeral appointment isnt an excuse to drive recklessly. Leave early like the rest of us.

I gladly pull over for emergency vehicles as i respect their need for urgency and the lives theyre attempting to save in addition to the risk they have to their own. There's absolutely no relation between that and a group of people participating in a (i guess debatable) religious ceremony. No need for someone who passed away to be in a hurry. I understand the need for an ambulance to be in a hurry.

You're right, if i chose to speed, its my fault. Same for the 75 cousins if they chose to ignore traffic signs in an effort to arrive at the same time.

There's no law against me being delayed on public streets, however.... i have a right to use public streets, i must follow the laws of the road and expect everyone else to do the same. I dont feel a (debatabale) religious custom is more important than anyone else's need to get somewhere on time. Maybe stuck in traffic there was a soldier going home to see his wife and kids for the first time in a year, maybe someone who had been unemployed for a year was on their way to a job interview, maybe a single mother who was driving a car without air conditioning had her toddler on board... i can think of a million reasons that are more justified than rushing a group of people to a funeral home so they can have their guilt exploited by a 15 billion $ a year business that uses religious ignorance to pressure people into thinking that spending their hard earned money on a burial ceremony is an honor to the deceased.

Burial ceremony has multiple religious ties and origins, i honestly dont understand how you're denying this.

I do not wish to stop people from peacefully assembling to bury their dead. Even though i am an Atheist, i respect people of all religions rights to do anything they please. They can put together a convoy of 150 cars and travel to the park for a prayer meeting to drink cookies and punch.... that's perfectly fine... hell, i may stop and share a cookie with them...... however........................................... .... i expect every single one of them to stop at red lights.

I am individual. My actions are my own and reflect only on myself.

Do you realize that a police escort is there to direct traffic? You say you stop for red lights, which are traffic control devices. Police instruction overrides automated traffic control devices, and the officer takes the role of traffic control.
If you are going to complain about the police performing traffic control duties, then you might as well say that all red lights, train crossings, stop signs, etc, delay you from your planned time of commute. Why don't you complain about all instances of road construction, and say that all train crossings should be elevated.
So, if you are in a funeral procession, and the officer blocks the intersection, and you stop for the red light, you are in violation of the law.
Have you considered that perhaps the police know how to direct traffic for a burial better than you do? Perhaps they know more about public safety, and have already determined that controling the intersection is in the interest of public safety?


Obey the law, suck it up, and get on with life. Not everything goes as you want it to in life, get over it.

BTW - One of my aunts was a commited atheist, she still chose to be buried, and had a police escort. What religion was her burial affiliated with, since you state that burials are religious?
Also, have you yourself ever been a driver in an actual funeral procession?

[blaknoize]

#4 Same thing could happen to me if im in a hurry because im late for work or trying to get somewhere. The convoy delaying my travel by 20 minutes made me continue to my destination at an increased rate of speed to maintain schedule, no police escorted me for safety. Clearly the police agree with me since in a lot of areas around the united states they are beginning to stop these services.

You could of called into your work and let them know you were delayed by a convoy. I was caught behind a "marathon" that I had no idea of and was delayed IN TRAFFIC for an hour. I called into work and told them, end of story. I wont comment on the other things because you sound like a lil kid. But respect for the dead should always be given.

Also, without a police escort, bikers can block off traffic for their crews to ride past just as well as a car club blocking off traffic to pass an intersection. I've stopped my car with a few friends headed to a meet, I think that even occured on the Santa Run back in the day. That delayed plently of people (if you attended) for no reason at all except for safe travel to the destination of a bunch of people.

[Sinfix_15]

You could of called into your work and let them know you were delayed by a convoy. I was caught behind a "marathon" that I had no idea of and was delayed IN TRAFFIC for an hour. I called into work and told them, end of story. I wont comment on the other things because you sound like a lil kid. But respect for the dead should always be given.

Also, without a police escort, bikers can block off traffic for their crews to ride past just as well as a car club blocking off traffic to pass an intersection. I've stopped my car with a few friends headed to a meet, I think that even occured on the Santa Run back in the day. That delayed plently of people (if you attended) for no reason at all except for safe travel to the destination of a bunch of people.

I sound like a kid, but the people who believe in angels dont.

I do respect the dead, all of the people holding up traffic were alive.

[Elbow]

I sound like a kid, but the people who believe in angels dont.

I do respect the dead, all of the people holding up traffic were alive.

I'd probably think someone that did though was more mature than a grown man coming on an internet forum and crying because he had to sit and wait for something I would guess far more important than whatever you were doing to go by.

You sound like a middle school kid upset about his life trying to get a rise out of others. Grow up and maybe you will get somewhere in life.

[Sinfix_15]

I'd probably think someone that did though was more mature than a grown man coming on an internet forum and crying because he had to sit and wait for something I would guess far more important than whatever you were doing to go by.

You sound like a middle school kid upset about his life trying to get a rise out of others. Grow up and maybe you will get somewhere in life.

you're 24 years old and telling someone to grow up and get somewhere in life.

[Elbow]

you're 24 years old and telling someone to grow up and get somewhere in life.

Yeah? lol You're almost 30 according to your posted age and making threads on a forum about how upset you are.

[teh bri]

Yeah? lol You're almost 30 according to your posted age and making threads on a forum about how upset you are.

this.

[Sinfix_15]

Yeah? lol You're almost 30 according to your posted age and making threads on a forum about how upset you are.

Annoyed would be a more fitting description than upset. Not sure why people act like it takes some great effort or preparation to start a thread.

[Sinfix_15]

You could of called into your work and let them know you were delayed by a convoy. I was caught behind a "marathon" that I had no idea of and was delayed IN TRAFFIC for an hour. I called into work and told them, end of story. I wont comment on the other things because you sound like a lil kid. But respect for the dead should always be given.

Also, without a police escort, bikers can block off traffic for their crews to ride past just as well as a car club blocking off traffic to pass an intersection. I've stopped my car with a few friends headed to a meet, I think that even occured on the Santa Run back in the day. That delayed plently of people (if you attended) for no reason at all except for safe travel to the destination of a bunch of people.

i dont think ive ever seen a group of people block off traffic by themselves.

[David88vert]

i dont think ive ever seen a group of people block off traffic by themselves.

Happens all the time. Enough that I even know when and where for a group - they are like clockwork. You should get out more.

[Sinfix_15]

Happens all the time. Enough that I even know when and where for a group - they are like clockwork. You should get out more.

if it happened @ 1:30 in the afternoon on a weekday in rush traffic, id tell them to get the fuck out of the road too.