Explain Something To Me!!!

[Brett]

Chip on my shoulder? Anyone who knows me beyond a couple words on a screen just knows that I dont do police. If Im pulled over I dont say to my friends "Oh, this fucking pig just swooped on me because Im black, down with the man!". If Im speeding, damn, Im speeding, get the ticket, buck it up. You have never seen me call the cops pigs, pricks and dicks, none of that. I have problems with the law because I say its not impossible for a cop to be racist? LOL, only in GA..

If im wrong, Im sorry... I just know any time we have a debate on these issues you have always come across as disliking the government, police, etc on the topics we all discuss.

Why do I get harrassed by the police so much? One reason I know for a fact is that I stand out. I drive a lexus and have owned an Aprilia Mille R but I am too young to rent a car at the airport. None of mommys money. Ive sat down and ate at restaurants like Chops, Lobster Bar, and Ruth Chris before I was legal drinking age and people do the same things you see in movies. Ever go to eat and have somone tell me you the average price of a meal when you enter or ask to pay upfront when you order. All my life since I was first able to work Ive always saved so I can have some things nicer than the average person. When I moved to GA, I see people by some of the same things I like. But its like I am the only one gets pulled over, stopped and questioned, car VIN checked, car searched and researched.

If this shit happens to you, That is fuckin wrong and total Bullshit. I dont care what color your skin is, If you work hard for your money and have the money to spend, you should be allowed to and not be asked "If you can afford it" before you sit to eat dinner. Places like that should be blasted and publicly called out, because thats the type of racial BS that keeps things from moving on.

And criminals are being let off too easy? How many of you have actually been locked up? How many of you have served 15 year sentences? Think about where you were 15 years ago. Do you think a man can go back into society after living in a state prison for even 5 years? Every night fearing rape? Being in a room the size of your bathrooms 20 hours a day? Man, being locked up is something that cant be described. And they dont lock medium criminals up with big criminals, understand? The guy that is there for DUI is locked up with the guy for murder. The guy from forgery with the guy for sodomy, the guy for insurance fraud is there with the guy for armed robbery. So who do you think the ones who are getting "Butt Raped" are?

You know what Frank.... Im sorry but dont think I nor anyone will feel pitty for these people. They know in full when they do a crime and they get caught, this is what happens. But instead of being a decent part of society they decide to do shit the way they want. I dont know what its like to be locked up, but ya know what.... Thats not something I will ever have to worry about because I dont do shit to get me put there. If they are afraid of getting raped in the ass, Dont kill,rape, steal, sell drugs, imbezel, etc that get you put there. If you serve 15 years you did something pretty hardcore to get there. Jail isnt supposed to be fun, but its not harsh enough when they have no problem going back time and ime again, Why? Cause they get playtime, Workout time, Cable TV, Showers, 3 meals a day and shelter.

Then think about it, a lot of these criminals cant serve life in jail. What type of citizens are getting released from these jails? Citizens who have lived based on the laws of survival, not the laws of the county. Do you know how hard it is to get a decent job with a felony record? One that makes it possible to pay $123/mo in probation and find somewhere to stay? What if you have kids? A sickness? And you cant find anything for more than $6/hr? Is that person omre likely to take up the $6/hr job or trying one of the ways of making money he learned while in jail, like selling drugs? Hmm... There is more to it than just locking people up. I think the current penal system is all messed up. But I guess I will be criticized for being too kind to criminals, but my point is that just throwing people in a box doesnt work. The system needs reworking. Things like NOLO/1st Offender need to expunge arrest when the terms are finished seeing that A NO LO OR 1st OFFENDERS PLEA IS NOT AN ADMISSION OF GUILT. Look it up, dont assume it.

Again.... Do the crime, You pay the price.... You know doing the crime that your life will be changed and you will be looked down on by sosciety... Again... No sympathy from me, sorry. And thats for ANY race that in prison, Again, I can care less what color someone is, People need to pay for what they do.

[Brett]

Frank... You are a very good debater... this is why I enjoy these with you, It always will stay civil and we both respect both points of view.

[T-Mo Goodie]

FrankPwrs said some true and real stuff in his post. Wow. I enjoyed reading you r post, because people DO seem to think that racism doesn't exist in GA. HAHA. I can understand how people think that the race card is being pulled alot, but you all are NOT in the situations and DON'T know what really happens. You only here whats on the news or in the paper, in which half the time they dress it up and make it seem sweet. Just like say the 'war' thats going on but HEYYYYYY thats a whole nother subject. HAHA

[FrnkPwrs]

I totally agree that people need to pay for whta they do. 100%. BUt I dont think jail is about reform at all. i think it needs to some sort of program that starts to pepare a prisoner for release. Anyone ever see Blow? How George Jung said he moved from weed to coke. In GA you can be locked up at the age of 17. A 17 year old spends a year in jail with people who are rapist and murderers. Its not practical to seperate people by age or the crime, but damn. I think that there needs to be a new system. I am a firm believer that if you do your time, then that should be it. Never understood not being able to vote with a felony record.

[Brett]

FrankPwrs said some true and real stuff in his post. Wow. I enjoyed reading you r post, because people DO seem to think that racism doesn't exist in GA. HAHA. I can understand how people think that the race card is being pulled alot, but you all are NOT in the situations and DON'T know what really happens. You only here whats on the news or in the paper, in which half the time they dress it up and make it seem sweet. Just like say the 'war' thats going on but HEYYYYYY thats a whole nother subject. HAHA

Trust me, I KNOW Georgia has PLENTY of racism around here.... Hell Southern states are known for it, Im not blind.

[FrnkPwrs]

And brett, I like these debates too. I think I just got heated because I felt like people were twisting some of my words and ignoring where i said things that were exactly the same as them. Straight up, the guy deserves death. But in reality if an officer doesnt acts within certain guidelines when doing so, it will cause a lot of problems in the investigation process, and then I can see it being a race issue if nothing happens to him for an out of protocol shooting. because your average officer knows you just cant shoot people for being killers. But if the word is shoot to kill, then hey, its shoot to kill.

[Brett]

Yeah I hear ya, I know they cant just do it, But I wouldnt be mad if they did. To me jail will be to easy for him. I want him dead.

[T-Mo Goodie]

Trust me, I KNOW Georgia has PLENTY of racism around here.... Hell Southern states are known for it, Im not blind.

That post wasn't directed towards you at all. It was to the people who don't believe it exists.

[uncle_el]

stuff's crazy around here! i worked at grady last night, don't go back until next friday. i suppose i'll have some front line details next week.

in any event, frank, you know i'm always feeling you!


as far as what this guy did...

1. he "allegedly" committed crimes against his ex girlfriend, not his wife.
2. he had already been to one trial for the alleged crimes, and the trial ended up in a hung jury.

many people are sitting and watching the news, hearing things... and somehow the guy held his wife hostage for three days and didn't want to go to jail. small details, yes, but details that were misrepresented. :shrug: not necessarily a big deal, but just wanted to point that out.

is what the guy did in court today wrong? absolutely.
what's the proper course of action? apprehending the suspect and bringing him in.
if he has a weapon drawn when police get near him, i would definitely understand opening fire on him, given his history of using a deadly weapon and the likelihood of imminent danger.

seems like there are too many trigger happy people around here. while emotionally one may want the guy to get his "just desserts", it just doesn't make sense. acting on a hunch, being trigger happy, is how things used to be, and in some ways still are. one person allegedly shoots someone, cops show up and shoot the guy.
if we're going to say that it's ok for cops, sworn to protect citizens and uphold the law, to subvert the law in this case, at which point does it stop?

[Cliff]

if jesse jackson has anything to do with it then it will become racial.....and i am still wondering about the "Black Governors Convention" held in atlanta a few weeks ago...you all know all hell would break loose if there was a white governors convention....i think people need to get over stuff that is long since past

[Cliff]

and i quote trick daddy

"You know yall going to mess around and complain about slavery that was over 40 50 years ago black folks need to move on
Yall keep playin wit a cracker they going to have yo ass tied up wired up to them back roads south florida and Georgia they made
Them laws say they cant do anything for you can a church get a amen and god for the thugs."

[Brett]

and i am still wondering about the "Black Governors Convention" held in atlanta a few weeks ago...you all know all hell would break loose if there was a white governors convention....i think people need to get over stuff that is long since past

True that!! Just like if white people had a white version of BET that shit wouldnt fly either. Why do we have to continue to seperate shit like this by race

[Cliff]

yea...it's odd how alot of the leaders want to do away with racism and segregation then they go and form black only groups as if that helps the situation

[T-Mo Goodie]

You all will just never get it. I am black, but I for one am not the one to always pull the race card, but it goes back to you have to be in situations and have experienced things to understand why???

If everything was the way "white people" (or whoever has a problem with this) then things would be WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY different. There probably wouldn't BE any black shows, spanish shows, etc on tv. Hell look at models, it is DOMINATed by whites, theres only a few blacks out there and one of them is ugly as hell.

First step would be for people to erase their prejudices and then we can move forward without all these backbones for 'blacks"

[Cliff]

lol i have been a white kid on wesley chapel, decatur, lithonia and so on and so forth...i have had plenty of black cashiers ignore me when i am standing there

[T-Mo Goodie]

yea...it's odd how alot of the leaders want to do away with racism and segregation then they go and form black only groups as if that helps the situation

I love to read alot of your comments on race-related issues on the board. Just get out and come in my neighborhood for a minute or a black neighborhood for that matter. Just to see what really goes on. I can not begin to explain nor will I for that matter. People on this forum are pretty cool, although some sneak little sly remarks in every now and again that make you wonder. This is only like .05% of the people who really want change and everything to be equal. EVERYONE don't see it that way. Especially, older white country people and young ass uneducated redneck muffugas.

My thing is what have these people like Jesse Jackson and other black leaders stood up for that was unjust?? No one has answered that yet. Why is it such a big deal to people?? I just want to know. This is a "WHITE MAN'S WORLD" minorities will never be treated fairly. If you disagree, then please answer my questions above. I really want to know why it bothers non-blacks so much? Please don't come back with the "if a white man had a ........." either

[T-Mo Goodie]

lol i have been a white kid on wesley chapel, decatur, lithonia and so on and so forth...i have had plenty of black cashiers ignore me when i am standing there

I work out there and I would say, look at where you were at! They ignore whoever and treat you like shit all over out there no matter your race. Even ME

[Cliff]

I love to read alot of your comments on race-related issues on the board. Just get out and come in my neighborhood for a minute or a black neighborhood for that matter. Just to see what really goes on. I can not begin to explain nor will I for that matter. People on this forum are pretty cool, although some sneak little sly remarks in every now and again that make you wonder. This is only like .05% of the people who really want change and everything to be equal. EVERYONE don't see it that way. Especially, older white country people and young ass uneducated redneck muffugas.

My thing is what have these people like Jesse Jackson and other black leaders stood up for that was unjust?? No one has answered that yet. Why is it such a big deal to people?? I just want to know. This is a "WHITE MAN'S WORLD" minorities will never be treated fairly. If you disagree, then please answer my questions above. I really want to know why it bothers non-blacks so much? Please don't come back with the "if a white man had a ........." either

i know more "young ass uneducated redneck muffugas." that are much much more intelligent than the people you will find in the city....people in the country work hard to make somthing of themselves which is a drive not many city kids have

[Cliff]

oh and jesse jackson....he would not be nearly the person he is if someone would take his race card away from him....that's how he gets so much attention by playin the race card every chance he gets

[T-Mo Goodie]

i know more "young ass uneducated redneck muffugas." that are much much more intelligent than the people you will find in the city....people in the country work hard to make somthing of themselves which is a drive not many city kids have

I am talking in the sense of black/white issues. Not literally. Meaning some of them like to live in the past and hate you just because your black and I am speaking from experience too. Take some trips out of town and have to stop in a country town......

[Brett]

I just would love to see the day races arent looked at by color, people just look at eachother as PEOPLE, and nothing more.

[Kevykev]

True that!! Just like if white people had a white version of BET that shit wouldnt fly either. Why do we have to continue to seperate shit like this by race

I can actually make you understand why Brett, but i won't no need to get into these long race conversations that solve nothing???

[Cliff]

well there's alot of blacks who grow up living in the past wanting to hate people because they are white and "what they did to their ancestors"....it sucks but it goes both ways

[T-Mo Goodie]

Man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If they show that car that has been found one more time on t.v that has probably been sitting there for 14-15 hrs. like they really found something!

[quickdodge®]

Here's how I look at it.

To me, complaining about shit just keeps it alive. I could care less if there was 50 black-only TV stations. If a black guy runs a black-only station, more power to him. I hear a lot of people saying "well at least MLK was good for one thing." Damn how many holidays do we have that celebrate white folks. Waaaaaaay more than black folks.

I've also been the white kid in "black only" areas. When I first moved here from LBC, I lived on Covington Hwy(right across from Target/Mama's), I lived behind Columbia Mall, and I lived in Avondale. I went to Candy Cane daycare center on Columbia and Glenwood. Me personally, I've never had any problems. I don't know if I just don't look like I would be of a prejudice nature or what(maybe it's all the gang tats). Two months ago and then 2 days ago was the first time in my life that I was actually refered to as a "cracker" and a "dumbass white boy". Lolol. I just laughed. TO the lady that called me a "cracker", I told responded "representin' Saltine, baby." I could probably be the oddest thing you could see in a mall. A white dude that has a black daughter, a Japanese son and a white daughter walking around is quite the site. I'm proud of it, though. I'm good.

I do agree with the race card being used an awful lot. Stupid as it is. But I se eit both ways. White folks will do it to a black person just as quick. Quick to say "Stupid n---er wouldn't give me a loan. Probably cause I'm white." I agree with Brett in his opening post. I think there will be an assload of people that say that the cop that were to shoot this dude down was a rascist cop. Forgetting what the dude did to get what he deserved.

I don't know why, but I have never let a black person or what black people do, affect me. I let them be them and me be me. If it doesnt affect me and my family, then I'm cool. If it does affect us, then I look at it as a person messing with us, not as a neer messing with us. Life is too short to worry about trivial shit such as black/white. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

well there's alot of blacks who grow up living in the past wanting to hate people because they are white and "what they did to their ancestors"....it sucks but it goes both ways

It does go both ways. Lots of whites hating blacks. But as far as I can see, it is for no reason. At least black folks(back in the day anyway) had a reason to hate on whites. Later, QD.

[kilpatty43]

im not going through and reading all this but i will say my piece...this guy is suh a jackass...he was facing a rape charge which is generally a 5-7 year sentence...instead of seeing how the trail turned out, he killed 3 people, injured others and now has gta on his record...and killing a deputy of the court is automatic first degree...so now he's looking at life and possibly the death penalty...i mean think people..you know youre going to get caught and this will probably end in a shoot out and he;ll get killed which is way too easy a death for him...hell he deserves torture then to be killed slowly just for the rape in itself...now this...i hope they fry his ass...

[quickdodge®]

he was facing a rape charge which is generally a 5-7 year sentence....

He was actually facing life in prison. I do agree with the "frying" thing. Later, QD.

[kilpatty43]

oh i didnt know that...i only heard that he was facing a rape charge which is usually 5-7...but good he deserves life for rape...actually he deserves death...but either way...id like to think fellow prisoners make life hell for rapists

[quickdodge®]

oh i didnt know that...i only heard that he was facing a rape charge which is usually 5-7...but good he deserves life for rape...actually he deserves death...but either way...id like to think fellow prisoners make life hell for rapists

I thought about 10-15 years for the charge. I didn't know until this morning when I was reading the paper about it. Later, QD.

[ruah_23]

I just would love to see the day races arent looked at by color, people just look at eachother as PEOPLE, and nothing more.

That would never happen Brett.Racism happened even since in the beginning.It's all about individual pride that think he/she is better than another person.

[JITB]

The dumbest thing anyone ever says is

"if there was a white only station people would ge tupset"

There isnt a black only station, BET aims toward the african american audience, its not Black only. Plenty of white people work for BET. Its Black Entertainment Television, so they program the shows for th eblack audience. Regardless of how long ago it was, All of minorities have been in a struggle to be equal and get treated with the same repsect. And the whole purpose of all the black programs and associations is to help not to discriminate against whites. NAACP is a black association that helps black ppl, United negro fund is a black group that helps get blacks through college. Its obvious that minorities have a harder time doing things in this world b/c there is still ignorant people out there. The reason why blacks have so many "handouts" as some will say, Is because about 20-30 yrs ago there was nothing and the only thing to help the blacks out was other blacks, so is that bad that black help each other out?

Whites have the government, Black have the NAACP.......lol, its almost even

[Mike Lowrey]

Anyone who knows me beyond a couple words on a screen just knows that I dont do police.

Well the words you type on the screen is all we have to go by, no isn't it? Any those words indicate said "chip on shoulder".

I have problems with the law because I say its not impossible for a cop to be racist? LOL, only in GA.

Then you should have problems with the specific officers that are racist, not the entire "law".

Why do I get harrassed by the police so much? One reason I know for a fact is that I stand out. I drive a lexus and have owned an Aprilia Mille R but I am too young to rent a car at the airport.

Is this the only possability? I doubt it. Funny how certain people have lots of problems and blame it on the most convienent things, with no blame on themselve or the situations that they put themselve into.

Ever go to eat and have somone tell me you the average price of a meal when you enter or ask to pay upfront when you order.

No, this has never happened to me. I agree this is 100% wrong. No argument here.

I have to bleech my skin? Take down all of my flags?

So you are assuming it could only be a racial thing?

When people who havent had as many situations as I act like everything is cupcakes I get offended.

Not saying it is all "cupcakes", the world is not even close to that, just indicating that it isn't quite the "racial gloom and doom" you indicate.

...looks like your average UGA college boy.

You seem to indicate that there is a difference because of his race, between Tampa and here. Leaving race aside, what does the "average UGA college boy" look like.

Whatever... Of course, we are in America, racism doesnt exist.

I do not believe that anyone said this. It exists, yes. Is everyone like that, absolutely NOT.

And criminals are being let off too easy? How many of you have actually been locked up? How many of you have served 15 year sentences? Think about where you were 15 years ago. Do you think a man can go back into society after living in a state prison for even 5 years?

Have you served a 15 year sentence? Judging by your age posted in you profile, the answer is No. Yes, they are being let off too easy. The average criminal get out on probation, while only serving less than half of his sentence. If we are only going to hold them to less than half of what we say, then what we sentence them to is a bullshit number. As soon as the jails get crowded, the government starts releasing the prisoners early. Do you think none of them end up commiting a crime again?

One that makes it possible to pay $123/mo in probation and find somewhere to stay? What if you have kids? A sickness? And you cant find anything for more than $6/hr? Is that person omre likely to take up the $6/hr job or trying one of the ways of making money he learned while in jail, like selling drugs?

Well, seeing as there are honest people out here taking the $6/hr job with families and trying to make it work, I expect an ex-con to do the same. Should they get "special treatment?

I don't beleive that the first time a criminal is exposed to the "How to sell drugs" class, is in prison.

[FrnkPwrs]

Well the words you type on the screen is all we have to go by, no isn't it? Any those words indicate said "chip on shoulder".

Not sure how long you have been on this forum, but I am one of the main people who say dont try to jerk the police. The main ones who say if you dont obey the law and get busted, dont bitch and whine. If you get a ticket, be man, do the terms, and move on. Read other threads.

Then you should have problems with the specific officers that are racist, not the entire "law".

Who says I have a problem with the law? I think I have an understanding of the law pretty much better than anyone. All of my gripes have been about officers acting with prejudice, not the law operating with prejudice.

Is this the only possability? I doubt it. Funny how certain people have lots of problems and blame it on the most convienent things, with no blame on themselve or the situations that they put themselve into.

You dont know me, so why exactly do you doubt it? Funny how certain people? LOL, ok. So are you saying a black kid driving a pretty nice car that barely looks 18 doesnt draw attention, period? I dont really speed when I drive, dont play my music loud as I invested in good soudn instead of deep bass, tags are always up to date, seatbelt always on.

I live in a neighborhood where the houses average about $115,000 brand new. My driveway includes my mothers porsche, sisters mercedes, my lexus. A plasma TV glows out my living room window. The police are in my neighborhood everyday for one reason or the other, you dont think our house gets looked at twice? LOL, the police LOVE stopping my family to "ask questions". Me and my father are laying hardwood floor in his bedroom and I was unloading it into the garage and I was stopped and asked for the reciept by LPD. Yup, the situations I put myself in and try to blame other people.

You dont know me, you are making assumptions.


So you are assuming it could only be a racial thing?

Not saying it is all "cupcakes", the world is not even close to that, just indicating that it isn't quite the "racial gloom and doom" you indicate.

Racial gloom? I just say shit happens. Racial glood is your word, not mine. These are things that happen to me in my life. Like I said, you have to be in one of these situations in your life. Its easy for one person to be like "Yea, people blow this racism thing out of proportion" if you've never experienced it. It hurts and is discouraging.

You seem to indicate that there is a difference because of his race, between Tampa and here. Leaving race aside, what does the "average UGA college boy" look like.

Im not even going to play this game. The guy looks white, and dresses like he is out of an old navy commercial. You cant leave race aside. Hes Cuban and people think hes white so people tell their bullshit jokes to him and expect him to laugh. They use all types of words to describe hispanics in front of him not realizing he is 100% cuban. he will tell you straight up there is a differnce

[quote]Have you served a 15 year sentence? Judging by your age posted in you profile, the answer is No. Yes, they are being let off too easy. The average criminal get out on probation, while only serving less than half of his sentence. If we are only going to hold them to less than half of what we say, then what we sentence them to is a bullshit number. As soon as the jails get crowded, the government starts releasing the prisoners early. Do you think none of them end up commiting a crime again?

Well, seeing as there are honest people out here taking the $6/hr job with families and trying to make it work, I expect an ex-con to do the same. Should they get "special treatment?[/b]

Have I served a 15 year sentence? Nope, never. My uncle? Has been serving more than half of his 20 year sentence though. Talk to him all the time. Got paroled after 15 years, and cant adjust to society. Just like my cousin Antonio who was falsely accused by CPD and has been locked up for the past 4 years in Joliet, IL. Someone who was locked up before, actually found a decent paying job, was living life right, and then was at the wrong place at the wrong time.

You are wrong. The average criminal doesnt only serve less than half of their sentence. Prisoners are NOT commonly let out just because the jail is overcrowded. Gwinnett Coutny has people sleeping on the cement floor and they are arresting people for tresspassing and loiterring [sp]. Believe it or not there are lots of people who learn their lessons from being arrested, everyone isnt a criminal forever.

As a matter of fact, there are lots of people who have records and arent really criminals. You need an understanding of how the law works. There are lots of people who are innocent, or guilty of lesser charges but the DA gives you a deal that scares the hell out of you. Serving 1 year with 4 on probation afterward is a lot better than gambling and possibly serving a full 15.

You dont see a problem with people not being able to get a job that pays better than $6/hr? When more than half of one weeks paycheck would go to the state? How many people do you know are content with the fact that theyll probally never break $8/hr their entire life? God forbid you cant find a job because you HAVE A RECORD! If you cant find employment, how do you pay the $123 a month for probation, and the $15 extra for random drug test? You just say "Hey, Im broke, sorry!" that puts you right back in jail. Special treatment? Hell no. But once you serve your sentence, you have paid your debt to society? Or should you be branded for life??

[Mike Lowrey]

Who says I have a problem with the law? I think I have an understanding of the law pretty much better than anyone. All of my gripes have been about officers acting with prejudice, not the law operating with prejudice.

I am glad you are such an expert. Is it because you have/are studying the law, or a lawyer?

LOL, ok. So are you saying a black kid driving a pretty nice car that barely looks 18 doesnt draw attention, period?

You might want to read the words that I wrote again. I do not beleive that is what I said.

I live in a neighborhood where the houses average about $115,000 brand new. My driveway includes my mothers porsche, sisters mercedes, my lexus. A plasma TV glows out my living room window. The police are in my neighborhood everyday for one reason or the other, you dont think our house gets looked at twice?

You have stated several cars and things you and your family owns in more than 1 post. Why? I do not really care that you have "x" or "y" car. The neighborhood you choose to live in makes no difference to me. To each their own. I listed my priorities different than you. That is my choice. I just do not see why I need to know this information and it does not have bearing on the original topic.

So you are assuming it could only be a racial thing?

Read what I wrote again. I am indicating it doesn't ALWAYS have to be a racial thing.

Racial gloom? I just say shit happens. Racial glood is your word, not mine. These are things that happen to me in my life.

O.K., as you say "shit happens". That is a rather blanket statement, don't you think? I would love to use this everyday as the cause of anything bad that happened to me. That would take any blame off myself. I choose not to do that, as there is a deeper reason for many things, and some ARE my fault.

Im not even going to play this game. The guy looks white, and dresses like he is out of an old navy commercial. You cant leave race aside. Hes Cuban and people think hes white so people tell their bullshit jokes to him and expect him to laugh. They use all types of words to describe hispanics in front of him not realizing he is 100% cuban. he will tell you straight up there is a differnce

Well not playing a game, but indicating a point.

P.S. If it was a game, you just played it in the above response.....

My uncle? Has been serving more than half of his 20 year sentence though. Talk to him all the time. Got paroled after 15 years, and cant adjust to society. Just like my cousin Antonio who was falsely accused by CPD and has been locked up for the past 4 years in Joliet, IL.

No response.

You are wrong. The average criminal doesnt only serve less than half of their sentence. Prisoners are NOT commonly let out just because the jail is overcrowded. Gwinnett Coutny has people sleeping on the cement floor and they are arresting people for tresspassing and loiterring [sp].

I was speaking nationally. [SARCASM]Here is a great idea. Why not have them serve the "ENTIRE SENTENCE" that they were given. Wow, that would be interesting.[/SARCASM]

Believe it or not there are lots of people who learn their lessons from being arrested, everyone isnt a criminal forever.

Yes, and there are several who do not...

As a matter of fact, there are lots of people who have records and arent really criminals.

Yeah, and everyone in jail is innocent...Right.

You need an understanding of how the law works. There are lots of people who are innocent, or guilty of lesser charges but the DA gives you a deal that scares the hell out of you. Serving 1 year with 4 on probation afterward is a lot better than gambling and possibly serving a full 15.

If they plea bargained for a lesser charge and sentence, they are still criminals. They are/were convicted of the crime.

You dont see a problem with people not being able to get a job that pays better than $6/hr? When more than half of one weeks paycheck would go to the state? How many people do you know are content with the fact that theyll probally never break $8/hr their entire life?

This argument is so full of bullshit it is sad. Content with an $8/hr job? TOUGH! There are millions of people working low income jobs with families, that do not commit crimes. Why are "criminals" better? Sorry, but if you do the crime, you take the concequences. PERIOD. I believe you even stated before that you should "buck up and take it like a man".

If you cant find employment, how do you pay the $123 a month for probation, and the $15 extra for random drug test? You just say "Hey, Im broke, sorry!" that puts you right back in jail. Special treatment? Hell no. But once you serve your sentence, you have paid your debt to society? Or should you be branded for life??

The costs that come with probation, ARE part of the "debt to society". WTF?

[Jaimecbr900]

Being hispanic in the US is hard, and you are seen as less than human.

I've been in the U.S. longer than you have, and I've gone thru plenty of BS myself. That being said, I've NEVER once (even by the racist GF's Dad that threw me out of his house) been treated as "less than human". To be honest, that's looking at the glass half-empty from the beginning so you're simply self-propheticing.

Your Puerto Rican? So would you outraged by someone calling you a burrito brother, or calling your kids little border jumpers? My grandfather looked white, played the white role. My mother looks black, she played the black role all of her life because she felt its a lot better being considered black than dominican [just another mexican to most]. It worked for them because there is a difference. I work in the club business. I go to clubs like Wild Bills and I am amazed at how things like fights are handled there, compared to how some of the securities and police react at the spanish clubs. I dont know what type of events or activities you go to, but next time you go out, take a look.

Again, you obviously don't know me at all. I've been called every derrogatory name in the book. The way I look at it is this: If someone says something to me that needs me to reply and throw down, then it's handled then and I move on. If someone says something and it's not even worth my time, again it's handled and I move on. I own my own business and have a family to support. I have infinitely more things to get my blood pressure up about than trying to convert ignorant people. Even an ass whuppin won't change the way some people are wired. Why bother sometimes then?

My point? You can spend the rest of your life talking about how you were treated wrong in front of 500 people at some night club and it still won't change a single thing. You can carry it with you to the grave. That too won't change anything. I'll be perfectly honest and tell you this: 99.9% of the time people that have run-ins with police, they DESERVE IT IMO. That includes me. We can justify everything, yet it still doesn't make wrongs right. Part of the reason this entire society has some of the problems it does is simply because they look for excuses first and real resolutions last. THAT was my entire point since the beginning with you. THIS guy is as guilty as I am long winded. His color has ZERO to do with what he did, why he did it, and what he should GET IMO. Even if his MOMMA was a share cropper slave that was rapped and beaten 100 years ago, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE OR JUSTIFY THAT HE KILLED 4 PEOPLE IN COLD BLOOD. It's a BS excuse, just like any other.

The clan rallys and Neo Nazi events here in GA as recent as 2003, those guys are faking the hate

First, noone said there wasn't any racism. Some of us are simply saying racism shouldn't be used as an EXCUSE for scumbags like this guy.

BTW, Racists can assemble as right granted in the Constitution. As long as they're not physically hurting anyone, it is their right. You and I may not like it. We may not agree with it, but that is their right to assemble and scream and holler if they want. You don't have to go and listen, just like I'm not either. Legally, it's not much different than any other bi-partisan convention that ends up being nothing more than a racial pep-rally too. Whites are not the only ones that have hate rallys.

And criminals are being let off too easy? How many of you have actually been locked up? How many of you have served 15 year sentences? Think about where you were 15 years ago. Do you think a man can go back into society after living in a state prison for even 5 years? Every night fearing rape? Being in a room the size of your bathrooms 20 hours a day? Man, being locked up is something that cant be described. And they dont lock medium criminals up with big criminals, understand? The guy that is there for DUI is locked up with the guy for murder. The guy from forgery with the guy for sodomy, the guy for insurance fraud is there with the guy for armed robbery. So who do you think the ones who are getting "Butt Raped" are?

Again, if you want sympathy for criminals, tell them to look it up in the dictionary between shit and syphillis. It's part of the price you pay when you play. All these liberal bleeding hearts want all these concessions for jailed criminals. I say BS. They are there for a reason. It's not supposed to be a resort. It's a jail for crying out loud. If you got too drunk and have to sit next to "real" criminal for a few hours, it happens. I've done it. Because of that nasty experience I also vowed never to put myself in a spot where I could go back and sit next to Bubba. I've managed to do just that so far. So, the deterrent factor worked on me. I didn't like it, it wasn't cushy, and I don't wanna go back.

But I guess I will be criticized for being too kind to criminals, but my point is that just throwing people in a box doesnt work. The system needs reworking.

I somewhat agree, but what would you suggest? With the amount of repeat offenders, being lenient isn't working either. So what would suggest? Spend bizillion dollars on what?

Things like NOLO/1st Offender need to expunge arrest when the terms are finished seeing that A NO LO OR 1st OFFENDERS PLEA IS NOT AN ADMISSION OF GUILT. Look it up, dont assume it.

Actually it's YOU that needs to look it up. I KNOW what NOLO is. I'll go ahead and quote a law book for you though:

"nolo contendre definition – in a criminal lawsuit, nolo contendre is where a defendant neither admits not denies a crime but accepts punishment as though he or she were GUILTY."

Just like I said before. When you plead NOLO, it is technically an admonishment of guilt by default. You simply are rewarded some type of leniency by the courts for not prolonging due process. Expongement or reduced fines or reduced jail time or something less than you would get if you were to go thru a trial and found GUILTY anyway.

As for 1st Offenders Status? You need to look that one up too. First Offenders status can only be granted AFTER you plead out a charge. It is a SENTENCE, so by definition a decision HAS to occur before a SENTENCE. Follow? It also has to be GRANTED by the court and can only be done once in your life. It is usually GRANTED to someone who has never gotten in trouble before, hence it's name. It also affords you the luxury of expongement of your record, IF you don't get in any additional trouble during the entire term of the SENTENCE.

So to summarize 1st Offender Status: It's a SENTENCE to a charge. You can't have a SENTENCE w/o a plea or decision. So therefore, in order to GET 1st Offender Status you have to admit GUILT, otherwise there would be NO reason for a SENTENCE.

[Jaimecbr900]

Jaime, You are so smart and I love you!!! You really know how to organize your thoughts and get your point across. I wish I was like you!!! Ok maybe not that last part, but the rest I still think!!

Thank you girl!!! That's the nicest thing you've said to me in a while.....what? You sick or something????

[innerhole]

if the asshole has the balls to shoot and kill people then the asshole should have the balls to get shot!! there's nothing racist about it.

[quickdodge®]

Jaime? This is stupid, but, what is your race? Your post, in a way, has me confused. Lolol. later, QD.

[Jaimecbr900]

Jaime? This is stupid, but, what is your race? Your post, in a way, has me confused. Lolol. later, QD.

I'm hispanic. Puerto Rican to be more specific.

You out of all people usually follow my tirades. What did I say to contradict myself?