the police do have legal rights by higher athorities to shot suspect when found, and i am so for it for this ONE situation...
the police do have legal rights by higher athorities to shot suspect when found, and i am so for it for this ONE situation...
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i swear to fucking god you didnt read what brett posted... this is not a huge racial dispute and you have made it one...
Are you retarded? I read the first post. Brett said that if he killed is killed by a white cop then the race card will more than likely be drawn. I said that its a possibility mainly because you cant just shoot a person because he killed someone else, there are rules that must be followed. Thats my rule, thats the governments rule. So where did this shoot-to-kill authority come from?
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Well if someone else gave that operation, woopidity doo, go right ahead! But the law works to the point that if person B kills person A, you cant just see person B on the street and shoot the shit out of him. Point blank
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no shit smart one i said for this ONE situation. and not like we are going to see him on the streets... he has some brains like i stated. back the fuck down and quit being so hostile towards me cause he didnt just KILL one person...
Well, reading through this was very interesting.
Frank, You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about cops in general. Yes, there are bad people, racists, murderers, etc. Not all people are like this. The things this man did were unspeakable. I agree that the cops should, doing their job, seek a peaceful outcome to the capture of this person. I also feel that if he resists in any way, with a weapon, he should go down. End of story.
Too many people seem to want to treat felons better than the rest of the public who do not commit crimes. Criminals are being let out too early, given sentences that are too easy. This does not deter them from doing it again.
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See how I'm not the only one that noticed the same thing Frank?
Exactly.Yes, there are bad people, racists, murderers, etc. Not all people are like this. The things this man did were unspeakable. I agree that the cops should, doing their job, seek a peaceful outcome to the capture of this person. I also feel that if he resists in any way, with a weapon, he should go down. End of story.
Too many people seem to want to treat felons better than the rest of the public who do not commit crimes. Criminals are being let out too early, given sentences that are too easy. This does not deter them from doing it again.
Frank, Im with them on that issue for sure, You have ALWAYS in your posts come across as you have a huge chip on your shoulder about police and the law. You have posted many times about all the shit that has happened to you and your friends with the police..... Man something is up if all this shit happens to you and your friends if you all are always innocent, and Im sorry, You being black is not a reason every cop is going to give you and your friends the shit you say they do.
I am friends with MANY black people and they have never had problems with the police. So why do they pick on you? You keep saying we have to know the facts before judging this guy, I mean shit... Is him taking over a woman and beating her head into the ground to the point she substained brain injuries ( The one they thought at first who was shot ) and then taking her gun and leaving her to die ( Im sure he figured she would ) and then walk into the court instead of running and leaving the courthouse, he shoots the judge and his assistant..... Then runs out side stops, and shoot the deputy chasing him killing him... then car jacking several cars within minutes and pistol whipping one of them for sure and leaving that guy needing stiches. But you dont seem to see he is in the wrong, and you keep wanting to make excuses for him and even trying to suggest he was beaten behind closed doors and this is why he was like this. Be honest, please..... If he wasnt black you would say fuck him, let him get what he deserves, But because he is black you are going to try and fill your head and ours with every excuse to make him look like he had a reason. Do you hate the world and the law that much man? You and I have ALWAYS had good debates, But you keep sticking up for this guy and I cant begin to figure out why.
It doesnt matter Frank if he is black, White, Mexican, Chinese, etc.... WE DONT CARE AND WE ARENT JUDGING THIS GUY FOR THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN!! He rped his wife for several days and killed cops and judges, What more does he have to do in your eyes before you stop trying to blame society for the way he is?
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Another thing, If we started treating criminals as they are we would have never had today happen. Instead of them coming in and standing trial handcuffed and in prison clothes, we "TO MAKE IT EASIER ON THE CRIMINALS" let them wear street clothes and no cuffs ot restraints. But go for fucking bid these people look like criminals when they go on trial.
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I agree with this 100%!!! Criminals are getting off way to easy nowaday, being let out on probation, etc.... I honestly beleive that if you do the crime you should do the time to the full degree... If cops were to find this guy I can assure you that he will either A. blow his own head off.,.. or B. make a scene and have to be shot..... its not going to be a pretty site either way. He deserves everything he gets times 3... he killed 3 innocent people with his stupidy...
theres always a few bad apples in every bunch. ive been ticketed 26 times, ive been pulled over more than 50 times, ive been arrested. do i hold it against any cop? not a bit. they are out there putting their lives in the line of fire every day for us.
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Jaime, You are so smart and I love you!!! You really know how to organize your thoughts and get your point across. I wish I was like you!!! Ok maybe not that last part, but the rest I still think!!
Thank you girl!!! That's the nicest thing you've said to me in a while.....what? You sick or something????Jaime, You are so smart and I love you!!! You really know how to organize your thoughts and get your point across. I wish I was like you!!! Ok maybe not that last part, but the rest I still think!!
i dont understand your last sentence bert but i am with you all the way...
He was saying God Forbid that the criminals look like criminals when they go on trial.. they actually get to wear street clothes
Basically when these people come into a court room the state lets them wear street clothes so they dont come in in cuffs and prison clothes ( They are afraid it would affect a jury's choice ) So my last sentence is saying let them come in like that looking like a criminal, atleast the people in the court room are safe when they are cuffed and in state clothes. In street clothes he blended in right away the moment he left the building.
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with you on that now that i got a full explanation...
k thanks...my bad... but that is true... i swear people like frank are ones that get to me... if MYSELF went out and raped (if possible) another person, killed A JUDGE!, police and other humans because i didnt want to go to jail and get ass raped and beat because i am a petit blonde one they want... i would EXPECT to be put in jail and my family know becuase i got shot by a black person it wasnt racial... should be the same here... if i were the one to shoot him i would say on camera "damn straight i shot him because he is ignorant and inhumane... (spell)
why is this even being discussed? Nobody pulls the race card on maniacs like this guy. BUt it has happen were innocent african americans were shot by white cops. Regardless of why they shot him. it iwll always be a white/black thing. Even if a black guy kills a white person or is accused of doing so. Its a given that the suspect will catch hell in a court room. Everyoen knows that cop killers get shot at or killed.
^^ Tru tru
lots of different perspective to view this from.
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I totally think that the guy who did this should get everything thats coming. Now my problem with this thread (and I read it all) is WHY did Brett have to start it out by saying what he said in the first place. To me, it was a slap in the face because it almost seemed as if you were saying that in most situations, blacks will throw up the race card if a white officer was involved.
Most of time when the race card is thrown in, it needed to be. Shit, some of you surburban living folks just don't get out enough.
The topic was asking why cant people accept what happens to a person REGARDLESS OF RACE. You do the crime, you get the punishment no matter what it is. Simple. You want to take it as a racial issue, Thats your own problem, I made it quite clear it wasnt and everyone who has posted in this until you came along has not questioned it, because they all know me personally and know thats not what this is about.
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I understand what you were trying to say, and maybe I missed a tread or two before it even bringing this thought into your mind. I just was wondering, why it started out like it did in the first place. I by no means think you are racist. I was just wondering WHY you were even thinking like that in the first place. Who was to say that a white officer will be the one to kill him?? Tell me a situation TO THIS EXTREME, where activist groups stepped in and defended the suspect???? What I am saying is, from the get go, I don't think ANYONE black is thinking of standing aside this bastard. That's all."Who is willing to bet by the end of the day you will have groups starting lawsuits saying "He was killed because he was black, A white cop killed him for no reason" but yet you wont see these same people bitch that he just killed 3 white or black people, That doesnt matter..... does it?"
The reason I thought it was this..... He kills 3 people and 1 was a judge and one was a cop... So if they find him, You can bet there will be some trigger happy cops there, a gun fires and kills him... Lets say by chance it ends up a white cop did it.. You will see every group on the news the very next day crying out it was racial.
I see it on the news every week. People try and use the race card all the time when it comes to this shit, It just gets old after a while. Read a few of the examples a few people used and you will understand more where I am coming from on this, But im glad you know im not a racist and I am not trying to start any race shit, Just stating after a while the shit gets old.
No matter what color someone is, they commit the crime, They need to pay the price, in this case, If this guy was white/Chinese/whatever..... I want to see a cop pull the trigger on this man without reason to do it.
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umm obviously you havent read one person on heres posts... hes defending him saying he could do worse and the reasons he has done the things he has was cause of his race... who you calling a bastard? just wondering
Who said that the reason he is doing it is beacuse of his race? I guess I missed that post.
t-mo, i feel you. I wasnt even thinking abotu the guys race, and didnt know he was black until brett posted, even after following it in the news. My whole point, who says there is no race card issues? People act like everything is so peachy
AND FOR MY POST BEFORE THIS, DONT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH! IM SAYING JAIL IS A CRAZY PLACE, NOT THAT THE SHOOTER TODAY DOESNT DESERVE JAIL! I HAVE SAID TONS OF TIMES THROUGH THIS THREAD THAT HE WAS WRONG AND I BELIEVE HE NEEDS TO BE SHOT, BUT GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS FIRST! I AM NOT SAYING THAT HE DOESNT DESERVE JAIL! I AM SLIGHTLY SWAYING FROM TOPIC! I AM SAYING THAT THE CURRENT PENAL SYSTEM NEEDS WORK! DONT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH AND MAKE ASSUMPTIONS
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Read what I said again........when I said 'bastard' I was refering to the fucker that killed these people today. No one in their right mind would stand up for this guy saying hes innocent.
Chip on my shoulder? Anyone who knows me beyond a couple words on a screen just knows that I dont do police. If Im pulled over I dont say to my friends "Oh, this fucking pig just swooped on me because Im black, down with the man!". If Im speeding, damn, Im speeding, get the ticket, buck it up. You have never seen me call the cops pigs, pricks and dicks, none of that. I have problems with the law because I say its not impossible for a cop to be racist? LOL, only in GA.
Why do I get harrassed by the police so much? One reason I know for a fact is that I stand out. I drive a lexus and have owned an Aprilia Mille R but I am too young to rent a car at the airport. None of mommys money. Ive sat down and ate at restaurants like Chops, Lobster Bar, and Ruth Chris before I was legal drinking age and people do the same things you see in movies. Ever go to eat and have somone tell me you the average price of a meal when you enter or ask to pay upfront when you order. All my life since I was first able to work Ive always saved so I can have some things nicer than the average person. When I moved to GA, I see people by some of the same things I like. But its like I am the only one gets pulled over, stopped and questioned, car VIN checked, car searched and researched.
So how am I wrong there? Am I not supposed to have nice things if I work hard for them? I get looked at multiple times because of people judging a book by its cover. Am I supposed to dress and talk and act like everyone else? Im not loud when I talk, but I talk with a up-north accent. I wear Sean John and Phat Farm instead of Abercrombie and Finch. I moved to GA and used to catch it from everyone. I stand out. I am who I am. I have to change who I am? I have to bleech my skin? Take down all of my flags?
When people who havent had as many situations as I act like everything is cupcakes I get offended. I have a good good good Cuban friend who moved here from Tampa. You would never in our life guess he was Cuban, looks like your average UGA college boy. He will tell you quicker than anyone else that there is a difference. Like I said many times over, how can someone white gripe over things like racial profiling and "the race card"? Never am I saying that use race as a crutch, but realize that you must work a bit harder than the next man to make it to their same position.
I would need reams and reams of paper to write about every situation that I or my family has encountered. HOw can I not help but think about things like
my father being called a nigger at work and he goes through the proper avenues of reporting it and nothing happens. Yet, Im the upitity guy that always has a couple pennies to toss when something racial happens.
I respect police officers. Even recently in Creative Loafing there was an article about the "Californication" of Georgia which touched on issues similiar that Ive been through. Being hispanic in the US is hard, and you are seen as less than human.
Your Puerto Rican? So would you outraged by someone calling you a burrito brother, or calling your kids little border jumpers? My grandfather looked white, played the white role. My mother looks black, she played the black role all of her life because she felt its a lot better being considered black than dominican [just another mexican to most]. It worked for them because there is a difference. I work in the club business. I go to clubs like Wild Bills and I am amazed at how things like fights are handled there, compared to how some of the securities and police react at the spanish clubs. I dont know what type of events or activities you go to, but next time you go out, take a look.
Ive never said that its impossible to prosper in society being a minority, but there is a difference. Its seems like I have a problem because I talk about it! So many people get pissed when I talk about how let cops do their job and get out their way, but I guess that is all forgotten now. Whatever... Of course, we are in America, racism doesnt exist. Its impossible, its like crushing an egg with one hand. Everybody who gets the short end of the stick and says because they are black, brown, yellow or orange is making it up. That one guy in Texas, deserved to be dragged by a truck. That one haitan guy in NY who was shot with over 20 odd shell reaching for his wallet by 3 cops, hey, dumbass should have learned english before getting off that damn boat! The clan rallys and Neo Nazi events here in GA as recent as 2003, those guys are faking the hate!
And criminals are being let off too easy? How many of you have actually been locked up? How many of you have served 15 year sentences? Think about where you were 15 years ago. Do you think a man can go back into society after living in a state prison for even 5 years? Every night fearing rape? Being in a room the size of your bathrooms 20 hours a day? Man, being locked up is something that cant be described. And they dont lock medium criminals up with big criminals, understand? The guy that is there for DUI is locked up with the guy for murder. The guy from forgery with the guy for sodomy, the guy for insurance fraud is there with the guy for armed robbery. So who do you think the ones who are getting "Butt Raped" are?
Then think about it, a lot of these criminals cant serve life in jail. What type of citizens are getting released from these jails? Citizens who have lived based on the laws of survival, not the laws of the county. Do you know how hard it is to get a decent job with a felony record? One that makes it possible to pay $123/mo in probation and find somewhere to stay? What if you have kids? A sickness? And you cant find anything for more than $6/hr? Is that person omre likely to take up the $6/hr job or trying one of the ways of making money he learned while in jail, like selling drugs? Hmm... There is more to it than just locking people up. I think the current penal system is all messed up. But I guess I will be criticized for being too kind to criminals, but my point is that just throwing people in a box doesnt work. The system needs reworking. Things like NOLO/1st Offender need to expunge arrest when the terms are finished seeing that A NO LO OR 1st OFFENDERS PLEA IS NOT AN ADMISSION OF GUILT. Look it up, dont assume it.
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If im wrong, Im sorry... I just know any time we have a debate on these issues you have always come across as disliking the government, police, etc on the topics we all discuss.
If this shit happens to you, That is fuckin wrong and total Bullshit. I dont care what color your skin is, If you work hard for your money and have the money to spend, you should be allowed to and not be asked "If you can afford it" before you sit to eat dinner. Places like that should be blasted and publicly called out, because thats the type of racial BS that keeps things from moving on.
You know what Frank.... Im sorry but dont think I nor anyone will feel pitty for these people. They know in full when they do a crime and they get caught, this is what happens. But instead of being a decent part of society they decide to do shit the way they want. I dont know what its like to be locked up, but ya know what.... Thats not something I will ever have to worry about because I dont do shit to get me put there. If they are afraid of getting raped in the ass, Dont kill,rape, steal, sell drugs, imbezel, etc that get you put there. If you serve 15 years you did something pretty hardcore to get there. Jail isnt supposed to be fun, but its not harsh enough when they have no problem going back time and ime again, Why? Cause they get playtime, Workout time, Cable TV, Showers, 3 meals a day and shelter.
Again.... Do the crime, You pay the price.... You know doing the crime that your life will be changed and you will be looked down on by sosciety... Again... No sympathy from me, sorry. And thats for ANY race that in prison, Again, I can care less what color someone is, People need to pay for what they do.
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Frank... You are a very good debater... this is why I enjoy these with you, It always will stay civil and we both respect both points of view.
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Well the words you type on the screen is all we have to go by, no isn't it? Any those words indicate said "chip on shoulder".
Then you should have problems with the specific officers that are racist, not the entire "law".
Is this the only possability? I doubt it. Funny how certain people have lots of problems and blame it on the most convienent things, with no blame on themselve or the situations that they put themselve into.
No, this has never happened to me. I agree this is 100% wrong. No argument here.
So you are assuming it could only be a racial thing?
Not saying it is all "cupcakes", the world is not even close to that, just indicating that it isn't quite the "racial gloom and doom" you indicate.
You seem to indicate that there is a difference because of his race, between Tampa and here. Leaving race aside, what does the "average UGA college boy" look like.
I do not believe that anyone said this. It exists, yes. Is everyone like that, absolutely NOT.
Have you served a 15 year sentence? Judging by your age posted in you profile, the answer is No. Yes, they are being let off too easy. The average criminal get out on probation, while only serving less than half of his sentence. If we are only going to hold them to less than half of what we say, then what we sentence them to is a bullshit number. As soon as the jails get crowded, the government starts releasing the prisoners early. Do you think none of them end up commiting a crime again?
Well, seeing as there are honest people out here taking the $6/hr job with families and trying to make it work, I expect an ex-con to do the same. Should they get "special treatment?
I don't beleive that the first time a criminal is exposed to the "How to sell drugs" class, is in prison.
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Not sure how long you have been on this forum, but I am one of the main people who say dont try to jerk the police. The main ones who say if you dont obey the law and get busted, dont bitch and whine. If you get a ticket, be man, do the terms, and move on. Read other threads.
Who says I have a problem with the law? I think I have an understanding of the law pretty much better than anyone. All of my gripes have been about officers acting with prejudice, not the law operating with prejudice.Then you should have problems with the specific officers that are racist, not the entire "law".
You dont know me, so why exactly do you doubt it? Funny how certain people? LOL, ok. So are you saying a black kid driving a pretty nice car that barely looks 18 doesnt draw attention, period? I dont really speed when I drive, dont play my music loud as I invested in good soudn instead of deep bass, tags are always up to date, seatbelt always on.Is this the only possability? I doubt it. Funny how certain people have lots of problems and blame it on the most convienent things, with no blame on themselve or the situations that they put themselve into.
I live in a neighborhood where the houses average about $115,000 brand new. My driveway includes my mothers porsche, sisters mercedes, my lexus. A plasma TV glows out my living room window. The police are in my neighborhood everyday for one reason or the other, you dont think our house gets looked at twice? LOL, the police LOVE stopping my family to "ask questions". Me and my father are laying hardwood floor in his bedroom and I was unloading it into the garage and I was stopped and asked for the reciept by LPD. Yup, the situations I put myself in and try to blame other people.
You dont know me, you are making assumptions.
So you are assuming it could only be a racial thing?
Racial gloom? I just say shit happens. Racial glood is your word, not mine. These are things that happen to me in my life. Like I said, you have to be in one of these situations in your life. Its easy for one person to be like "Yea, people blow this racism thing out of proportion" if you've never experienced it. It hurts and is discouraging.Not saying it is all "cupcakes", the world is not even close to that, just indicating that it isn't quite the "racial gloom and doom" you indicate.
Im not even going to play this game. The guy looks white, and dresses like he is out of an old navy commercial. You cant leave race aside. Hes Cuban and people think hes white so people tell their bullshit jokes to him and expect him to laugh. They use all types of words to describe hispanics in front of him not realizing he is 100% cuban. he will tell you straight up there is a differnceYou seem to indicate that there is a difference because of his race, between Tampa and here. Leaving race aside, what does the "average UGA college boy" look like.
[quote]Have you served a 15 year sentence? Judging by your age posted in you profile, the answer is No. Yes, they are being let off too easy. The average criminal get out on probation, while only serving less than half of his sentence. If we are only going to hold them to less than half of what we say, then what we sentence them to is a bullshit number. As soon as the jails get crowded, the government starts releasing the prisoners early. Do you think none of them end up commiting a crime again?
Well, seeing as there are honest people out here taking the $6/hr job with families and trying to make it work, I expect an ex-con to do the same. Should they get "special treatment?[/b]
Have I served a 15 year sentence? Nope, never. My uncle? Has been serving more than half of his 20 year sentence though. Talk to him all the time. Got paroled after 15 years, and cant adjust to society. Just like my cousin Antonio who was falsely accused by CPD and has been locked up for the past 4 years in Joliet, IL. Someone who was locked up before, actually found a decent paying job, was living life right, and then was at the wrong place at the wrong time.
You are wrong. The average criminal doesnt only serve less than half of their sentence. Prisoners are NOT commonly let out just because the jail is overcrowded. Gwinnett Coutny has people sleeping on the cement floor and they are arresting people for tresspassing and loiterring [sp]. Believe it or not there are lots of people who learn their lessons from being arrested, everyone isnt a criminal forever.
As a matter of fact, there are lots of people who have records and arent really criminals. You need an understanding of how the law works. There are lots of people who are innocent, or guilty of lesser charges but the DA gives you a deal that scares the hell out of you. Serving 1 year with 4 on probation afterward is a lot better than gambling and possibly serving a full 15.
You dont see a problem with people not being able to get a job that pays better than $6/hr? When more than half of one weeks paycheck would go to the state? How many people do you know are content with the fact that theyll probally never break $8/hr their entire life? God forbid you cant find a job because you HAVE A RECORD! If you cant find employment, how do you pay the $123 a month for probation, and the $15 extra for random drug test? You just say "Hey, Im broke, sorry!" that puts you right back in jail. Special treatment? Hell no. But once you serve your sentence, you have paid your debt to society? Or should you be branded for life??
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I am glad you are such an expert. Is it because you have/are studying the law, or a lawyer?
You might want to read the words that I wrote again. I do not beleive that is what I said.
You have stated several cars and things you and your family owns in more than 1 post. Why? I do not really care that you have "x" or "y" car. The neighborhood you choose to live in makes no difference to me. To each their own. I listed my priorities different than you. That is my choice. I just do not see why I need to know this information and it does not have bearing on the original topic.
Read what I wrote again. I am indicating it doesn't ALWAYS have to be a racial thing.
O.K., as you say "shit happens". That is a rather blanket statement, don't you think? I would love to use this everyday as the cause of anything bad that happened to me. That would take any blame off myself. I choose not to do that, as there is a deeper reason for many things, and some ARE my fault.
Well not playing a game, but indicating a point.
P.S. If it was a game, you just played it in the above response.....
No response.
I was speaking nationally. [SARCASM]Here is a great idea. Why not have them serve the "ENTIRE SENTENCE" that they were given. Wow, that would be interesting.[/SARCASM]
Yes, and there are several who do not...
Yeah, and everyone in jail is innocent...Right.
If they plea bargained for a lesser charge and sentence, they are still criminals. They are/were convicted of the crime.
This argument is so full of bullshit it is sad. Content with an $8/hr job? TOUGH! There are millions of people working low income jobs with families, that do not commit crimes. Why are "criminals" better? Sorry, but if you do the crime, you take the concequences. PERIOD. I believe you even stated before that you should "buck up and take it like a man".
The costs that come with probation, ARE part of the "debt to society". WTF?
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I've been in the U.S. longer than you have, and I've gone thru plenty of BS myself. That being said, I've NEVER once (even by the racist GF's Dad that threw me out of his house) been treated as "less than human". To be honest, that's looking at the glass half-empty from the beginning so you're simply self-propheticing.
Again, you obviously don't know me at all. I've been called every derrogatory name in the book. The way I look at it is this: If someone says something to me that needs me to reply and throw down, then it's handled then and I move on. If someone says something and it's not even worth my time, again it's handled and I move on. I own my own business and have a family to support. I have infinitely more things to get my blood pressure up about than trying to convert ignorant people. Even an ass whuppin won't change the way some people are wired. Why bother sometimes then?Your Puerto Rican? So would you outraged by someone calling you a burrito brother, or calling your kids little border jumpers? My grandfather looked white, played the white role. My mother looks black, she played the black role all of her life because she felt its a lot better being considered black than dominican [just another mexican to most]. It worked for them because there is a difference. I work in the club business. I go to clubs like Wild Bills and I am amazed at how things like fights are handled there, compared to how some of the securities and police react at the spanish clubs. I dont know what type of events or activities you go to, but next time you go out, take a look.
My point? You can spend the rest of your life talking about how you were treated wrong in front of 500 people at some night club and it still won't change a single thing. You can carry it with you to the grave. That too won't change anything. I'll be perfectly honest and tell you this: 99.9% of the time people that have run-ins with police, they DESERVE IT IMO. That includes me. We can justify everything, yet it still doesn't make wrongs right. Part of the reason this entire society has some of the problems it does is simply because they look for excuses first and real resolutions last. THAT was my entire point since the beginning with you. THIS guy is as guilty as I am long winded. His color has ZERO to do with what he did, why he did it, and what he should GET IMO. Even if his MOMMA was a share cropper slave that was rapped and beaten 100 years ago, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE OR JUSTIFY THAT HE KILLED 4 PEOPLE IN COLD BLOOD. It's a BS excuse, just like any other.
First, noone said there wasn't any racism. Some of us are simply saying racism shouldn't be used as an EXCUSE for scumbags like this guy.The clan rallys and Neo Nazi events here in GA as recent as 2003, those guys are faking the hate
BTW, Racists can assemble as right granted in the Constitution. As long as they're not physically hurting anyone, it is their right. You and I may not like it. We may not agree with it, but that is their right to assemble and scream and holler if they want. You don't have to go and listen, just like I'm not either. Legally, it's not much different than any other bi-partisan convention that ends up being nothing more than a racial pep-rally too. Whites are not the only ones that have hate rallys.
Again, if you want sympathy for criminals, tell them to look it up in the dictionary between shit and syphillis. It's part of the price you pay when you play. All these liberal bleeding hearts want all these concessions for jailed criminals. I say BS. They are there for a reason. It's not supposed to be a resort. It's a jail for crying out loud. If you got too drunk and have to sit next to "real" criminal for a few hours, it happens. I've done it. Because of that nasty experience I also vowed never to put myself in a spot where I could go back and sit next to Bubba. I've managed to do just that so far. So, the deterrent factor worked on me. I didn't like it, it wasn't cushy, and I don't wanna go back.And criminals are being let off too easy? How many of you have actually been locked up? How many of you have served 15 year sentences? Think about where you were 15 years ago. Do you think a man can go back into society after living in a state prison for even 5 years? Every night fearing rape? Being in a room the size of your bathrooms 20 hours a day? Man, being locked up is something that cant be described. And they dont lock medium criminals up with big criminals, understand? The guy that is there for DUI is locked up with the guy for murder. The guy from forgery with the guy for sodomy, the guy for insurance fraud is there with the guy for armed robbery. So who do you think the ones who are getting "Butt Raped" are?
I somewhat agree, but what would you suggest? With the amount of repeat offenders, being lenient isn't working either. So what would suggest? Spend bizillion dollars on what?But I guess I will be criticized for being too kind to criminals, but my point is that just throwing people in a box doesnt work. The system needs reworking.
Actually it's YOU that needs to look it up. I KNOW what NOLO is. I'll go ahead and quote a law book for you though:Things like NOLO/1st Offender need to expunge arrest when the terms are finished seeing that A NO LO OR 1st OFFENDERS PLEA IS NOT AN ADMISSION OF GUILT. Look it up, dont assume it.
"nolo contendre definition in a criminal lawsuit, nolo contendre is where a defendant neither admits not denies a crime but accepts punishment as though he or she were GUILTY."
Just like I said before. When you plead NOLO, it is technically an admonishment of guilt by default. You simply are rewarded some type of leniency by the courts for not prolonging due process. Expongement or reduced fines or reduced jail time or something less than you would get if you were to go thru a trial and found GUILTY anyway.
As for 1st Offenders Status? You need to look that one up too. First Offenders status can only be granted AFTER you plead out a charge. It is a SENTENCE, so by definition a decision HAS to occur before a SENTENCE. Follow? It also has to be GRANTED by the court and can only be done once in your life. It is usually GRANTED to someone who has never gotten in trouble before, hence it's name. It also affords you the luxury of expongement of your record, IF you don't get in any additional trouble during the entire term of the SENTENCE.
So to summarize 1st Offender Status: It's a SENTENCE to a charge. You can't have a SENTENCE w/o a plea or decision. So therefore, in order to GET 1st Offender Status you have to admit GUILT, otherwise there would be NO reason for a SENTENCE.
Last edited by Jaimecbr900; 03-13-2005 at 10:54 PM.
That right there was the only thing you said that confused me. I've never met you, and I apologize, but I just assumed that you were white. You never posted anything that made me think different. That means I have to quit posting to you now, unless it is derogatory..........................nah. I'm just kidding, dude. Lolol. Later, QD.
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What did I tell you? He is crying out the race card!! He said he did this because he was tired of a white system being unfair to him and that he was a soldier to fight this system. They were just talking about this on FOX NEWS. He also said "It wasnt personel when he killed the judge and court reporter....." HOW THE FUCK IS THAT NOT PERSONEL? And he has no regrets.
I knew he or someone would use the race card as soon as they could. So if it was a race issue why were 2 of the people and one that he bashed her head in black? So this guy can throw that BS excuse out the window right there.
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So much for the insanity defense then. Good. Now he can just stand there and take it like a man then.
BTW Brett, you're killing me....it's personAl bud. P-E-R-S-O-N-A-L. (I had to
Well you know that if they will still use the race thing as an issue, he will simply justify killing a black person by saying they worked for a white system. In other words, they are just as bad as the system.I knew he or someone would use the race card as soon as they could. So if it was a race issue why were 2 of the people and one that he bashed her head in black? So this guy can throw that BS excuse out the window right there.
He's still wrong IMO.
It wasn't a racial issue as much as it was a political issue. He said he didn't care if the people he killed were white or black. The fact that they worked for the "system" that got them killed. He's pissed at the judicial system, not the white dude. Later, QD.
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