Explain Something To Me!!!

[Brett]

Im not a racist so dont drag that shit into this, But its a question I have because it happens all to often....

This guy who just killed the 3 people at the court house.... Lets say he is found, and officers open fire on him ( They should have the right even if he isnt armed ) and kill him. Who is willing to bet by the end of the day you will have groups starting lawsuits saying "He was killed because he was black, A white cop killed him for no reason" but yet you wont see these same people bitch that he just killed 3 white or black people, That doesnt matter..... does it?

Dont turn this into a race issue, Im just saying I get so sick of seeing this shit on the news everytime a officer shoots someone and defends themselves.

[JoeCoolinATL]

see brett. now your a racist bastard.

just like when the guy shot 2 cops then when they had him cornered after he ran in a stolen suburban and wound up down on virgina ave down from my house. he tried to run over 2 more apd and they shot and killed him.
yet his mom was all over the news for weeks saying he didnt do anything wrong and they murdered him and were racist etc.
i mean. forget the fact he tried to kill cops/stole a car/ shot more cops i mean thats ok right?

[99SI]

It's about quick money. Principles and "the right thing" don't mean shit anymore when the possibility to sue someone and get $$$$ comes along.

[Brett]

Like I said im not trying to sound racist, But I just know you will hear this guys momma say "They killed my boy, cause he was black" He didnt do anything wrong"

:confused:

[Jay B II]

I doubt anyone would make a big deal over a rapist and killer being killed...armed or not...shit I would kill him too if I was a cop...it's a known fact in this country...cop killers get killed.

[The Yousef]

Like I said im not trying to sound racist, But I just know you will hear this guys momma say "They killed my boy, cause he was black" He didnt do anything wrong"

:confused:

don't flame me for saying this but...

i guess because back in the day minorities epecially blacks were killed b/c of the color of their skin...granted we live in a different age now...but racism is still around....

just my

yousef

[civic95]

I think they should put his ass in a stockade (like the horse and buggy days) in downtown atl, and let the family members line up and take shots at him (hands and feet only), and let them keep going taking turns till he dies.

[Brett]

I understand that, Trust me, But now these days when someone gets killed by a cop the race card is always played, even though the person shot was in the wrong. You dont hear is mom sayin "Im sorry he killed 3 white folks" So he was a killer, so the cops did what they had to do." You will NEVER hear that. Its always " Just because he was shooting at the police, they didnt have to kill him, He wasnt trying to hurt anyone, he is misunderstood" GIVE ME A BREAK!! DO THE CRIME, YOU GET SHOT, OH WELL!!!

[Darling Nikki]

I am with you Brett on this one....someone will probably say it was bc of his color...I am sure as hell not racist but this shit is getting old....he needs to suffer the consequences for his actions.

[HyPer50]

I got a suggestion... Just make all cops asian.. nobody seems to have beef with asians except other asians.

[Jaimecbr900]

Police mistakes do happen and they should be investigated.

With that said, this guy deserves every bit of what he gets alive or dead IMO.

[Brett]

Police mistakes do happen and they should be investigated.

That I FULLY agree with, But you hear the racial card thrown into EVERY cime when a white cop is involved, Forget the fact the person they shoot was a killer, That doesnt seem to matter to these action groups anymore.

[HyPer50]

That I FULLY agree with, But you hear the racial card thrown into EVERY cime when a white cop is involved, Forget the fact the person they shoot was a killer, That doesnt seem to matter to these action groups anymore.

Just give them the silent treatment... Unless it truely is a noble cause, fuck activists/protesters/bitches.

[Brett]

yup yup

[Darling Nikki]

FUCK Terrorism

[Brett]

What does terrorism have to do with this topic?

[Jaimecbr900]

That I FULLY agree with, But you hear the racial card thrown into EVERY cime when a white cop is involved, Forget the fact the person they shoot was a killer, That doesnt seem to matter to these action groups anymore.

I totally agree with you Brett. I have no sympathy for low life's any more than you do. Regardless of color, I don't like any of them.

The race card is played as smoke and mirrors and to cash in on someone else's tragedy. Even their own family members.

This is one of the main reasons I hate the whole "Politically Correct" movement. Call a dog a dog. What color the dog is has no bearing on the fact he's still a dog. PC is BS. :jerkit:

[JagerGirl]

I totally agree, I wish a black cop would fuck up his world just so that shit didn't happen.

[Brett]

Exactly!! I can care less what color the criminal is, You get shot and killed, Thats the risk you made by doing the crime, You dont see anyone else crying racism when a black cops kills another race. It just gets old......

Regardless of race, If you are a criminal, and you get your self in the spot to have a cop kill you, That is your fault, The family members need to accept they had a criminal for a son/relative, etc and live with the choice THEY MADE.

[Darling Nikki]

I just wanted to say terrorism bc that other guy was naming some other things to say fuck to......shut up brett

[4dmin]

i'm RACIST i dont' like anyone white/black/mexican(isn't that a color?)

bitches, you all need to be

[FrnkPwrs]

Well, they dont have the right to shoot him armed or not or for the fact that he has killed 3 people. There are things like rules of engagement that must be followed, no matter how mad the officer behind the trigger is. You cant simply kill someone because they killed someone else, there are guidelines.

Do I think it is beyond officers being racist. Hell no. Ive been reffered to as a nigger by cops in SC and a spic/burrito boy/mexican with his own island/mu chat to/black mexican by multiple members of the DeKalb county police department, CID, SWAT, FBI, and DEA. [Dont you love being black and spanish!] There are things that the general public never hears.

Hey, I konw the race card is pulled way too much too, but people seem to thick it never happens. If someone comes in to a hosue to serve an arrrest warrant and the guy is hiding and a cop says "His black ass is right over there in the closet" dont you think the bystanders seem to wonder if him being tossed to the ground with a knee in his back is neccessary?

Everybody of color doesnt pull the race card. What makes you think that he would? That anyone else would? If never read this thread and your other post, I wouldnt have known he was black, and Ive been watching the news on chanel 2 for the past hour and a half

[Brett]

Frank I dont doubt it happens, I know thier are bad cops just like thier are bad people in any profession.

But I hate to say this but there may be rules, But you know what?? Thi sguy raped his wife for days as he held her captiv, Then today kills a judge, a clerk and a deputy.... He had his day in court, now the rules dont apply, he didnt feel he had to obey any rules did he? So why should ANY cop follow a rule for his worthless life?

[HyPer50]

WTF is mu chat to? I've heard of mulato, but never muchato..guess thats a black/mexican mix and mulato is black/white mix? *shrug*

[Jaimecbr900]

Well, they dont have the right to shoot him armed or not or for the fact that he has killed 3 people. There are things like rules of engagement that must be followed, no matter how mad the officer behind the trigger is. You cant simply kill someone because they killed someone else, there are guidelines.

Actually, that's incorrect. "Rules of Engagement" is a military term and PD don't have it unless it's a SWAT situation. They have by now been briefed that the guy is armed and dangerous and therefore he will be dealt with in a felony situation. If he even accidentally sneezes, he's gonna get shot. And honestly, like I said before he would be getting what he deserves after what he did.

Do I think it is beyond officers being racist. Hell no. Ive been reffered to as a nigger by cops in SC and a spic/burrito boy/mexican with his own island/mu chat to/black mexican by multiple members of the DeKalb county police department, CID, SWAT, FBI, and DEA. [Dont you love being black and spanish!] There are things that the general public never hears.

I don't know you, so don't take this personally.....I'm a lot older than you and been around the block a time or two. I've thrown rocks in my day. I've never been put in a situation w/o merit. I screwed up, so I have to suck it up and man up. If you've been put in a situation where you were wrongly accused, you should take care of that civilly.

Hey, I konw the race card is pulled way too much too, but people seem to thick it never happens. If someone comes in to a hosue to serve an arrrest warrant and the guy is hiding and a cop says "His black ass is right over there in the closet" dont you think the bystanders seem to wonder if him being tossed to the ground with a knee in his back is neccessary?

Actually, yes it is. Police procedure has rules that state how and how hard they should subdue a suspect. Number 1, if they're coming to his house, there is a reason. Number 2, if he's hiding, he's hiding for a reason. So, why should police take it easy on him? Unless they knocked down the wrong door, which if he hid in the closet shows it wasn't, then they can control you by putting their knee in your back while cuffing you. If they keep it there for 30 mins or billie club you while cuffed, that's different. If he finds you hiding in a closet, YOU put yourself in that spot and situation. Take it like a man.

Situations like the one you describe have cost plenty of officer's their lives when that guy that doesn't want to go to jail comes flying out of the closet with a weapon. Then people would cry and say "why didn't they take him down right away???". Get my point?

[Dynasty]

I dont ususally post but on this case, i have too. im new to hear. but i have a dear cousin of mine in syracuse who did some shit i couldnt even begin to explain. Now granted the man did very horrible things, but an eye for an eye is not how things should be handled. being a black male, we do get alot of shit from police, i mean who doesnt. Now i dont think because he killed those people and rape he should be killed if he is caught unarmed or anything, but if he is caught unarmed, a good beating would be COOL wit me. What he did was so fucking wrong, i cant even speak. But the law is the law, and trust me, ask my cousin. He will be made into a bitch when he gets to prison

[FrnkPwrs]

The cop said it in a smart way. Long story short, a spanish club I used to go to was raided because it was after hours and we all got treated like shit. So he said "Hey mu-cha-to, get over here", trying to say the word with slang since my skin is dark [im dominican and black, basically black and black, LOL]

Brett, I see what you are saying completely. None of us know the full situation, im sorry.

What if this guy snapped because he thought he was going to be convicted for something he didnt do? If someone told you that you would have to serve a 8 year felony rape charge and you didnt do it and they are about to tell you "Go with the Bailif [sp]" what would go through your head? What if the wife was lying? Maybe he snapped. If it was that cut and clear dry, why was there a mistrial?

We dont know if some cop there snapped thinking he raped his wife and tried to beat the shit out of the guy in the back cells and he grabbed the gun in self defense and when shit hit the fan, he realized he was screwed. I mean, its not that impossible. A little a while ago in ATL we had a cop who pulled people over beat and killed them and buried them out in the middle of nowhere while he was on duty. None of us know the entire story.

That aside, the police cant disreguard the law. If a cop kills him because they feel its justified, he is abusing his position of power. He is an officer, not a judge, not a DA, not a governer. An officer, one who is there to enforce the law, not execute its consequences. Its frustrating, true, but if people were more active in how situations like this were handled before they happened, then maybe it prevent something like this from happening. That is called being a vigiliante. If the law isnt working, work to get it changed so that it does

[Jaimecbr900]

I dont ususally post but on this case, i have too. im new to hear. but i have a dear cousin of mine in syracuse who did some shit i couldnt even begin to explain. Now granted the man did very horrible things, but an eye for an eye is not how things should be handled. being a black male, we do get alot of shit from police, i mean who doesnt. Now i dont think because he killed those people and rape he should be killed if he is caught unarmed or anything, but if he is caught unarmed, a good beating would be COOL wit me. What he did was so fucking wrong, i cant even speak. But the law is the law, and trust me, ask my cousin. He will be made into a bitch when he gets to prison

Whatever he gets he deserves at this point. He is only thinking of himself. Why hasn't he picked up a phone and called his attorney and turned himself in to him? He's only worried about getting caught is why. He saw a little chance to get gone at the courthouse and he took it. In doing so, he killed 3 innocent people, hurt 1 severely, and beat and stole all across the city. Hell, even I was worried because my wife and daughter were at the Carter Center downtown in a school field trip this morning while all this was happening.

So if he wants sympathy.....tell him to find it in the dictionary between SHIT and SYPHILLIS. I have none for him.

[Brett]

Sometime I just feel in these cases, This guy didnt feel the law applied to him, so why should it apply to him when the police find his ass?

I am ALL for an EYE FOR AN EYE!! Especially when you kill for no reason a Judge, Clerk and a Deputy outside. He didnt think the law applied to him then, He felt he was god and could choose to end thier lives, so the police should have the same right, Play god with his worthless life.

[Kevykev]

for this particular incident it's possible..

but if he's killed most people would understand.....then again i could be wrong...

buy hey...homeboy took out 2 cops bro...

I don't really get bent out of shape over most issues

Bottom Line Is:
We're all human, and we look for explainations of events so we can sleep at night.

so go with whatever makes you comfortable, that's what people do anyway.

[Jaimecbr900]

What if this guy snapped because he thought he was going to be convicted for something he didnt do? If someone told you that you would have to serve a 8 year felony rape charge and you didnt do it and they are about to tell you "Go with the Bailif [sp]" what would go through your head? What if the wife was lying? Maybe he snapped. If it was that cut and clear dry, why was there a mistrial?

What about the family of the judge that was simply doing his job? What about the court reporter doing hers? What about the sherrif deputy? What about the female officer he shot in the mouth? Where's the sympathy for them who are w/o a doubt innocent? If he snapped, he snapped. He'll also have to deal with the consequences then. If that means he gets shot, just like he shot innocent people this morning, then so be it. HE was the ONLY person that put him in that predicament. Not you, not me, HE did it to himself. Then he needs to deal with it, period. Again, we coddle criminals too much. He's now a criminal if he wasn't before. That shows his intelligence right there. If he wasn't guilty about anything before, he is NOW.

We dont know if some cop there snapped thinking he raped his wife and tried to beat the shit out of the guy in the back cells and he grabbed the gun in self defense and when shit hit the fan, he realized he was screwed. I mean, its not that impossible. A little a while ago in ATL we had a cop who pulled people over beat and killed them and buried them out in the middle of nowhere while he was on duty. None of us know the entire story.

Obviously, you walked into the middle of the story. He was out on BOND and not in some back cell. He was in street clothes because of that. No shackles, no cuffs. He was being escorted into the courtroom by sheriff's because the JUROR'S were scared of him. He happened to be led in just before the jury was called out and the re-trial started.

Again, where's the sympathy for the people he MURDERED in cold blood for no other reason than he was wanting to not go to jail?

That aside, the police cant disreguard the law. If a cop kills him because they feel its justified, he is abusing his position of power. He is an officer, not a judge, not a DA, not a governer. An officer, one who is there to enforce the law, not execute its consequences. Its frustrating, true, but if people were more active in how situations like this were handled before they happened, then maybe it prevent something like this from happening. That is called being a vigiliante. If the law isnt working, work to get it changed so that it does

A judge, DA, nor Governor can execute anyone either. A felony situation requires the arresting officers to do certain things. One of those things is to confront the suspect with guns drawn. This is where if this guy does something stupid, he'll get shot. Considering that he's not tried in the very least to turn himself in, he'll probably do just that. Something stupid.

Again, I have no sympathy for people that dig their own grave. If they are mentally retarded, that's one thing. If they are simply a low life, let them get what they deserve.

[Brett]

Again, where's the sympathy for the people he MURDERED in cold blood for no other reason than he was wanting to not go to jail?

Thats the point I keep saying!! Already people try and make excuses of WHY HE DID THIS or what COULD HAVE HAPPENED.

Frank you seem to think the worst in every situation like this, to assume he did this cause some cop abused him before he came out. Why can it never be, The guy is a criminal, He has no regard for life, and his needs to be taken. Simple.

Dont try and make it out that all this shit happened to him or he is made this way by the system. He is a human which means he made his OWN choice.

HE KILLED 3 PEOPLE!!! 3 people that did NOTHING TO HIM!! So are you going to say the judge and court assistant beat him down behind the doors? C'Mon man. If this was a white guy who did this you know you wouldnt be looking for excuses on why he did what he did today, Youd say he was a crazy white man.

Regardless of his color, He killed 3 people who didnt deserve to die today, Simple.

[FrnkPwrs]

I don't know you, so don't take this personally.....I'm a lot older than you and been around the block a time or two. I've thrown rocks in my day. I've never been put in a situation w/o merit. I screwed up, so I have to suck it up and man up. If you've been put in a situation where you were wrongly accused, you should take care of that civilly.

I think age doesnt have much relevance. You want the story? I was at an after hours club in Atlanta. I walk in, 5 minutes later FBI, DEA, DPD, DCID, SWAT, ATF, INS, and Dekalb Gang Taskforce all raid the club. Everyone is put into zipties. Everyone is searched. Women are strip searched in front of men and vice cersa. Everyone has their ID ran to see if you have citizenship or warrants. Your car was searched before you could leave. In the process of all of this happening, everyone of the 500+ patrons were called every spanish racial slur in the book. Cant see why your reply would come out from me being called a bunch of racist names, but hey.


My whole point about the previous post was about the "His black ass" comment. It was a imaginery situation, but you never commented on that. You never commented on the racial slurs used against me in my previous post. So do you think its right or justified?


Maybe "Rules of Engagement" was not the proper term, but there are rules for confronting criminals. Im sorry, I dont care what anyone says, but you cant just shoot someone because they have already shot someone. The father of my good friends child shot a member of the SWAT team and barracaded the house. The caught him running out of the house. with the gun in his hand. There are bank robbers who cant get shot at, even when running out of the bank because they never pointed their weapon at the officer or at any innocent bystanders.

[Brett]

My whole point about the previous post was about the "His black ass" comment. It was a imaginery situation, but you never commented on that. You never commented on the racial slurs used against me in my previous post. So do you think its right or justified?

Its never justified, I agree with you, Terms like that should not be used by any cop, even if he himself was black.

[FrnkPwrs]

Thats the point I keep saying!! Already people try and make excuses of WHY HE DID THIS or what COULD HAVE HAPPENED.

Frank you seem to think the worst in every situation like this, to assume he did this cause some cop abused him before he came out. Why can it never be, The guy is a criminal, He has no regard for life, and his needs to be taken. Simple.

In no way am I making excuses, but im saying put faith in the law. Vigelante justice doesnt work. Im just a free thinker. Im with everyone else, I wouldnt think twice if someone shot the shit out of him on site. But I keep an open mind. Supposedly he was supposed to require extra security because he was found with a shank on her his person. If someone was found with a shank, would you watch them a little more carefully? Nobody knows the full story, so we are all filling in the blanks

Im watching the news now

Reporter: Is there any leads
Some Guy: I do not have that information
Reporter: Any idea what car he is in now
Same Guy: I do not have that information
Reporter: Was he on bond or already in custody
Same Guy: I do not have that informatoin
Reporter: Any idea what happened to where he was able to take a deputys gun
Same Guy: I dont have that information

Yet we know that he deserves to die? LOL, how much faith do you all have in the law? Killing him on site is not the "legal" way to do it.

[Brett]

I disagree in the part killing him on site int justified. He killed a judge, his assistant, and a cop, so he woudnt have to face up to what he was going to court for. The police to me have every right to shoot first... and dont ask any questions later. I have no tolerance for killers as you can see...lol

[Darling Nikki]

I agree with you Brett, he needs to be killed, sorry but thats how it just going to be. He killed all those innocent people so FUCK HIM....he deserves what is about to happen to him...do you honestly think they could grab a hold of him even if they were to find out exactly where he is....and what does it even matter. I don't know if its changed, but as far as I know and correct me if I am wrong, but in the state of Georgia it states that killing a police officer automatically sentences you to death.

[HyPer50]

What does you being screwed with by cops have to do with a rapist/murderer killing 3 people in cold blood? Make all the excuses you want for him, but it was cold blood.... WTF could the court typist of done to provoke him? nadda.

If they catch this man, I hope they shoot him. Although I have a feeling he is out of bullets now, otherwise I feel as if he would of shot the AJC reporter that he car jacked. I mean shit, if your going to kill 3 innocent people, why stop there? Your fucked either way... they can only give you the death sentance once.

[Jaimecbr900]

I think age doesnt have much relevance. You want the story? I was at an after hours club in Atlanta. I walk in, 5 minutes later FBI, DEA, DPD, DCID, SWAT, ATF, INS, and Dekalb Gang Taskforce all raid the club. Everyone is put into zipties. Everyone is searched. Women are strip searched in front of men and vice cersa. Everyone has their ID ran to see if you have citizenship or warrants. Your car was searched before you could leave. In the process of all of this happening, everyone of the 500+ patrons were called every spanish racial slur in the book. Cant see why your reply would come out from me being called a bunch of racist names, but hey.

You obviously didn't understand what I was saying. Age does have relevance because I wasn't always a good guy. I've done wrong. I also sucked it up and paid for it. No, I wasn't a murderer or a drug dealer, but I paid based on what I did. That was my point.

Just like I suggested....instead of thinking that all cops are out to get you because you're black the rest of your life, maybe you should've sued them if you really felt offended so you could put it behind you. That was my suggestion before. If someone did something to you, take care of it. Don't hold it in you for the rest of your life.

My whole point about the previous post was about the "His black ass" comment. It was a imaginery situation, but you never commented on that. You never commented on the racial slurs used against me in my previous post. So do you think its right or justified?

That's a far cry from killing somebody. Calling someone names does not warrant murder. Even if the lady sheriff called this guy every name in the book, it does not give him the right to shoot her, the judge, the reporter, another sheriff, beat people driving by to steal their car, and taken off. It seems you think he's justified for doing that.......I totally dissagree. He's a criminal now and should be treated as such. HE by himself made himself that criminal, so he's the only that can be blamed for anything that happens to him from now on.

Maybe "Rules of Engagement" was not the proper term, but there are rules for confronting criminals. Im sorry, I dont care what anyone says, but you cant just shoot someone because they have already shot someone. The father of my good friends child shot a member of the SWAT team and barracaded the house. The caught him running out of the house. with the gun in his hand. There are bank robbers who cant get shot at, even when running out of the bank because they never pointed their weapon at the officer or at any innocent bystanders.

Let me put it this way.....if I was in my car downtown and he tried to car jack me with a gun in his hand......I would definetly try my hardest to plant all 14 of my buddies right in the middle of his chest. Then I would go to court like a man and if 12 of my peers thought I wasn't justified, then I'd suck it up and take my medicine.

Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

[JoeCoolinATL]

my view on this is he didnt just "try to get outta going to jail for some reason"
he EXECUTED OFFICERS. one the deputies was shot in the back of the head according to the news. after the guy had already shot others and had other people in the courtroom (at gunpoint ) handcuff each other. (im going on this strictly from what ive heard on the news) then walked up after he shot them and shot and killed the judge.
shooting someone in the back of the head is executing them. not some random point in their direction and shoot.
therefore. we know hes going to be shot and killed in a firefight with police. why?
no cops arent going to run in and shoot first. as much as most of the probaly want to. someone whose done this then shot another deputy on the way out isnt going to let officers take him alive. i will bet anything that when he is cornered hes either going to draw his weapon and then get shot or start shooting and then be killed by return fire from police.