Explain Something To Me!!!

[FrnkPwrs]

Age does have relevance because I wasn't always a good guy. I've done wrong. I also sucked it up and paid for it. No, I wasn't a murderer or a drug dealer, but I paid based on what I did. That was my point.

Why would you bring that up? What did I do besides go to a club? Where would that even come from? And to be honest, nobody has even said that the cops were wrong for saying shit like that, or treating people like that! LOL, I dont care really, but its funny what people like to point out.

Just like I suggested....instead of thinking that all cops are out to get you because you're black the rest of your life, maybe you should've sued them if you really felt offended so you could put it behind you. That was my suggestion before. If someone did something to you, take care of it. Don't hold it in you for the rest of your life.

Slow down. Your making way too many assumptions about me. I have no problems with the law whatsoever. Check the window tint thread since half the board is now gone and look at my opinion of the police. Dont make assumptions that Im "an angry black man" or that Im thinking that all cops are out to get me because Im black." I know the job is one that is complex, but the truth it being a judge, jury, and executioner isnt part of the job description, and I dont know one cop who has been trained and is qualified to be all three.

Even if the lady sheriff called this guy every name in the book, it does not give him the right to shoot her, the judge, the reporter, another sheriff, beat people driving by to steal their car, and taken off. It seems you think he's justified for doing that.......I totally dissagree.

You are either making up your own words or misunderstanding mine. This topic was started on the race card. My point was if someone uses racist slurs in the process of an arrest, then their intetions look questionable. That was my point. Please quote where I said that its ok for someone to take a life based on being called names.


All im saying is we dont know shit. Nobody in here knows shit about the situation except for 3 bodies down. The same way that people were all rowdy when an atlanta cop was supposedly beaten and the suspect escaped and come to find out he was kidnapping people he pulled over. Something else I said and nobody commented on...

[Jaimecbr900]

Where would that even come from? And to be honest, nobody has even said that the cops were wrong for saying shit like that, or treating people like that! LOL, I dont care really, but its funny what people like to point out.

I didn't bring up anything about any club. You did as an example of how some cops are racist because they called you and 500 others "muchato". So if not to show how police are racists and wrong, why did you bring it up then?

Slow down. Your making way too many assumptions about me. I have no problems with the law whatsoever. Check the window tint thread since half the board is now gone and look at my opinion of the police. Dont make assumptions that Im "an angry black man" or that Im thinking that all cops are out to get me because Im black." I know the job is one that is complex, but the truth it being a judge, jury, and executioner isnt part of the job description, and I dont know one cop who has been trained and is qualified to be all three.

I'm not making any assumptions. I simply responded to what you said. You came up, without obviously knowing the whole story yourself, with a bunch of different possible "reasons" why this guy killed 3 people. I simply am telling you that there is NO EXCUSE OR REASON that will justify what he did. If you disagree, then tell me why.

You are either making up your own words or misunderstanding mine. This topic was started on the race card. My point was if someone uses racist slurs in the process of an arrest, then their intetions look questionable. That was my point. Please quote where I said that its ok for someone to take a life based on being called names.

I don't think I'm misunderstanding at all. Even a sentence later you admit that if an officer uses "slurs" while arresting someone, their "intentions" are questionable. I'm telling you instead of looking at it as half empty, look at it as half full. Why is the person being arrested in the first place? Does the officer calling them names change that? THAT is my point. The officer calling someone a name is no where near as bad, 99.9% of the time, as what the criminal being arrested DID. No, it doesn't make them calling people right, but neither does it negate the fact that someone was a criminal. Get it? In other words, it's smoke and mirrors. Kinda like a criminal wanting to sue a home owner because he cut himself on a window while he was burglarizing their house.......HUH??? How in the hell can someone blame something that happens to them while doing something WRONG on someone or something else. THAT is my point. Get it now?

All im saying is we dont know shit. Nobody in here knows shit about the situation except for 3 bodies down.

Actually, what else do you need to know?

He was not wanting to go to jail....that doesn't justify murder.
He was not wanting to go to trial.....that doesn't justify murder.
He was pissed at the world....that doesn't justify murder.

I still don't see ANY angle at which he was even remotely justified, nor do I see how you could defend him in any way since the facts that you do know will never be refuted or justified. I don't get it.

This guy was not sipping tea in front of his TV and the police came in guns blazing and shot at him for no reason......this guy was CHARGED with RAPE, KIDNAPPING, and a few other felonies. He was on the way to his day in court. Not the gallows. His day in court. He already had a mistrial once. He knows what they have against him and what they don't. All this is facts.

Now, how is it that anyone in their right mind can defend this guy when he was A: given his day(s) in court to defend himself, B: NOT treated like a criminal (he was out on bond and wearing his own clothes and walked into court on his own), C: instead of letting the system take it's course, he murders 3 INNOCENT PEOPLE, critically injures another, car-jacks 3 people, steals cars, runs from police, still in hiding, and all the while IF he's being persecuted wrongly HASN'T bothered to pick a phone and call someone to try and tell his side of the story.

Seems to me pretty open and shut.

You see it different? If so, how?

[Jaimecbr900]

One more thing to further support no mercy for this guy:

They just reported that he broke in to the ex's house and bound her with duct tape. Brought a cooler into the house and told her he would be there for the next 3 days (until her birthday). He had a loaded gun with him. He raped her repeatedly during those 3 days. They found, previously, a "shank" in this guy's socks inside the courtroom when they were transporting him to jail.

[speedracer41]

There was an incident a couple of years ago were a black man who was wanted for murder was shot and killed by a black and a white cop and the race card was pulled, even though a black cop was involved. I hope this guy is cought alive so he will get the chair.

[FrnkPwrs]

Im not here trying to defend say he is not guilty or he was justified in killing. My point was that leave the decision of if she should live or die up to the courts, thats it. The police LEGALLY dont have the right to take his life, shoot on site, whatever, that is all that Im saying.

I am also saying that none of us know the situation. You posted that he walked in to court by his own free will out on bond. Im going from reports from Channel 2, thats the only station Ive been watching for consitancy, but they said he was already in custody and had no bond. I said what I said about the police bashing him, etc. to show that we may not know situations if full. Any type of situation could have happened that drove him to this.

I didn't bring up anything about any club. You did as an example of how some cops are racist because they called you and 500 others "muchato". So if not to show how police are racists and wrong, why did you bring it up then?

I dont have a "All cops are wrong" attitude at all. I have a real life view on that things can happen and the police have more control over your life than you do. Hope you dont have a racist cop, all I can say. You tried to make it like I think all the police are against me and good for nothing, no not at all. But there are racist cops, and I cant stand when people act like that is impossible or extremely rare.

I brought it up because there was more to my story than being called all types of racist slurs. When you have an entire unit of people made up all types of all these law enforcement agencies in GA calling every spanish person there pepe, migo, taco man, or saying things like "I need new gloves, my hand is smelling like burrito juice", you get offended it. Where is your outrage there? But that average person says "Yea, people always throwing the race card"

Especially when those cops did things like illegal searches. When you have male officers searching women, female officers pulling down other females panties in front of a room fool of men nothing is wrong. Especially when the only thing that person did was go to a club. I mean, if all of those people bust into Loca Luna or Toungue&Groove one weekend same result right? Or maybe people think they can get away with more with spanish people because they wont tell or are seen as a "lesser race"... Hmmm...

You dont think somethign is race provoked when you have an entire club with 500+ people ran for warrants and citizenship? Oh yea, but thats not racist, or at the least nobodys rights were violated. If were spanish that night you were treated less than human. People pissing and shitting on themselves because they werent allowed to go to the bathroom after 3-4 hours with their hands behind their back.

Your sick and tired of hearing black people say that things happen because of race? I get sick and tired of white people thinking that that this world is so happy and serene. How can white people really say that black and hispanics dont get discriminated against? When is the last time you went to a nice upscale store as a black man? When is the last time you got pulled over as a black man? When is the last time you EVER been in the prescence of an officer and they thought you dont speak english? Every time something is called racially motivated its "Here goes the old race card again". Im sick of this shit, I dont care who online or off gets pissed about it.

Yea, bullshit is brought into it, but believe it or not, racist shit does happen sometimes! Ive had friends ride in the car with me and they say "Why do you freeze up put your hands on the wheel, speak slow, roll down your windows, etc." when getting pulled over. That seems so crazy and foriegn to them. People will never understand

I was called a nigger by another student in school when I was young, and I had my teachers and prinicipal tell me and my parents that its a legitmate word to mean someone ignorant so he was just using a different word to say the same thing. All the black kids I knew in highschool got kicked out from everything from 1 fight to someone accusing them of theft and they had scissors so they accused possession of a deadly weapon.

Fuck that.

I imagine most of you are white, and I get so tired when people say "Oh, people are going to pull the race card" before race is even an issue. Nobody even said anything about race, hell I found out he was black from a white guy [Brett] before the news. Im black and spanish, and at this moment in time every person in my family is home and we didnt think about race until we finally saw his picture and was like "Damn, hes black".

I'm telling you instead of looking at it as half empty, look at it as half full. Why is the person being arrested in the first place? Does the officer calling them names change that? THAT is my point. The officer calling someone a name is no where near as bad, 99.9% of the time, as what the criminal being arrested DID.

I swear, I love this thinking. Ever see the movie colors? That reminds me of the cop PacMan. Making an arrest and taking the extra step to make it a little bit more of hell for that person. These people are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. So calling a racist slur is worst when 99% of the time some of these people who are arrested end up with cases that are false arrest/not guilty/NOLO/reindictments. That rate isnt just .1 percent.

You say sue and handle thing like my club situation civily. Why when the world has people who think along the same lines exactly how you typed. If you are in those cuffs good chance you done the crime and deserve to be there.

[Brett]

I hope about 10 cops open fire on him at once

[Scrappy]

the police do have legal rights by higher athorities to shot suspect when found, and i am so for it for this ONE situation...

[FrnkPwrs]

There was an incident a couple of years ago were a black man who was wanted for murder was shot and killed by a black and a white cop and the race card was pulled, even though a black cop was involved.

Yea, because its so impossible for black people to hate other people because they are black..

Can anyone name some times where race was a factor besides situations in the 1960s?

[FrnkPwrs]

the police do have legal rights by higher athorities to shot suspect when found, and i am so for it for this ONE situation...

According to who?

[Scrappy]

i swear to fucking god you didnt read what brett posted... this is not a huge racial dispute and you have made it one...

[Scrappy]

according to a hall county sherriff deputy that i just talked to... and i believe he knows the books pretty well...

[FrnkPwrs]

Are you retarded? I read the first post. Brett said that if he killed is killed by a white cop then the race card will more than likely be drawn. I said that its a possibility mainly because you cant just shoot a person because he killed someone else, there are rules that must be followed. Thats my rule, thats the governments rule. So where did this shoot-to-kill authority come from?

[FrnkPwrs]

Well if someone else gave that operation, woopidity doo, go right ahead! But the law works to the point that if person B kills person A, you cant just see person B on the street and shoot the shit out of him. Point blank

[Scrappy]

no shit smart one i said for this ONE situation. and not like we are going to see him on the streets... he has some brains like i stated. back the fuck down and quit being so hostile towards me cause he didnt just KILL one person...

[Mike Lowrey]

Well, reading through this was very interesting.

Frank, You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about cops in general. Yes, there are bad people, racists, murderers, etc. Not all people are like this. The things this man did were unspeakable. I agree that the cops should, doing their job, seek a peaceful outcome to the capture of this person. I also feel that if he resists in any way, with a weapon, he should go down. End of story.

Too many people seem to want to treat felons better than the rest of the public who do not commit crimes. Criminals are being let out too early, given sentences that are too easy. This does not deter them from doing it again.

[Jaimecbr900]

Im not here trying to defend say he is not guilty or he was justified in killing. My point was that leave the decision of if she should live or die up to the courts, thats it. The police LEGALLY dont have the right to take his life, shoot on site, whatever, that is all that Im saying.

You don't get it do you? Who did HE leave the decision up to when he pulled the trigger while pointing the gun at those innocent people???? WHO? He was in the process of having his day in court. HE didn't want it because he figured he was gonna go to jail anyway. HIS problem. Those innocent people did nothing but their JOB today. Did they deserve to be murdered? I still don't get how any amount of his sob "story" is going to justify that. I don't get it. He obviously is not concerned about "legalities" when he decided to do what he did. My point is: Why try and afford a criminal options and privilages HE/SHE don't afford their victims? Why???

Any type of situation could have happened that drove him to this.

And the price of tea in China is? Again, you're trying to be the bleeding heart for someone that no matter which angle you look at it from IS NOT JUSTIFIED. Why is that so hard for you to admit? This is where my "you have unresolved issues with Police" comes from. You keep trying to gloss over and sweep under the rug that the guy is now a MURDERER. No matter which way you slice it, that's a known fact now. If the shootout happened at his house, on his property, while he was peacefully minding his business, I could understand. This guy was being tried and headed to the pen like the criminal he is. The only difference is that today he escalated that into a BIG TIME criminal. Yet, you still try to say that there is this magical other story that will somehow explain what he did. Is that going to change that he KILLED 3 people in cold blood? NO!!! So, personally, I'd tell him to stick the story and excuses up his ass cause I wouldn't want to hear them.

I brought it up because there was more to my story than being called all types of racist slurs. When you have an entire unit of people made up all types of all these law enforcement agencies in GA calling every spanish person there pepe, migo, taco man, or saying things like "I need new gloves, my hand is smelling like burrito juice", you get offended it. Where is your outrage there? But that average person says "Yea, people always throwing the race card"

Let me explain something to you that you obviously don't know. I'm just as Spanish as you are. I'm Puerto Rican. I was a citizen the second I was born eventhough I wasn't born in the States per se. I've been asked for my "green card" plenty of times by ignorant people for various reasons. I've been called Mexican, taco, etc. a bunch of times. I've had GF's parents kick me out of their house when they laid eyes on me.

So let me be sure you don't mistake me for someone that just fell off the turnip truck. I've met and dealt with racism too. Point? I don't hold that against every redneck I meet. I don't hold that against every Black person I meet. I don't hold that against any White person I meet. There are ignorant people everywhere in every color. So, don't sit there and assume I wouldn't find something offending or not. But being offended doesn't give me a reason to KILL somebody. Being offended doesn't change the fact that if I kill somebody, I should get killed myself. So, based on your way of thinking, if a racist cop made this guy go off, it some how suddenly wins him a fair and speedy trial??? BS. I say give him the same exact courtesy he gave the people he murdered w/o a second thought or a second chance.

What's racism or race cards or hurt feelings or the bleeding hearts have to do with that?

Especially when those cops did things like illegal searches. When you have male officers searching women, female officers pulling down other females panties in front of a room fool of men nothing is wrong. Especially when the only thing that person did was go to a club. I mean, if all of those people bust into Loca Luna or Toungue&Groove one weekend same result right? Or maybe people think they can get away with more with spanish people because they wont tell or are seen as a "lesser race"... Hmmm...

You dont think somethign is race provoked when you have an entire club with 500+ people ran for warrants and citizenship? Oh yea, but thats not racist, or at the least nobodys rights were violated. If were spanish that night you were treated less than human. People pissing and shitting on themselves because they werent allowed to go to the bathroom after 3-4 hours with their hands behind their back.

Your sick and tired of hearing black people say that things happen because of race? I get sick and tired of white people thinking that that this world is so happy and serene. How can white people really say that black and hispanics dont get discriminated against? When is the last time you went to a nice upscale store as a black man? When is the last time you got pulled over as a black man? When is the last time you EVER been in the prescence of an officer and they thought you dont speak english? Every time something is called racially motivated its "Here goes the old race card again". Im sick of this shit, I dont care who online or off gets pissed about it.

Yea, bullshit is brought into it, but believe it or not, racist shit does happen sometimes! Ive had friends ride in the car with me and they say "Why do you freeze up put your hands on the wheel, speak slow, roll down your windows, etc." when getting pulled over. That seems so crazy and foriegn to them. People will never understand

You obviously don't know anything about me.

My whole business is centered around helping people, especially mi gente. I have catered to the Hispanic segment here in Atlanta for over 10 yrs. The difference is I don't wear my race on my shoulder like a chip. I can speak English better than most people that were born here. I write it just as well or better too. I can speak and write my native language too. If people like me or don't like me is up to them. If they want to base that on race, more power to them. If they want to base it on me being an ass, good for them.

You obviously have unresolved issues with something. You've mentioned this club incident like 10 times already. If you truly feel that you were wronged, then do something about it. If you don't want to, that's your perrogative. But when you sit there and talk to me like I don't know what racism is or what it isn't, that's crap.

My point was simple. This has and should not have anything to do with racism. The guy is a low life that killed 3 innocent people. I don't care what color he is. This sentence ^^^^ is all I need to know. He can cry me a river for all I care. He had choices. The dead people now don't thanks to him.

I swear, I love this thinking. Ever see the movie colors? That reminds me of the cop PacMan. Making an arrest and taking the extra step to make it a little bit more of hell for that person. These people are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. So calling a racist slur is worst when 99% of the time some of these people who are arrested end up with cases that are false arrest/not guilty/NOLO/reindictments. That rate isnt just .1 percent.

#1 NOLO stands for Nolocontendre, which means no contest. In the eyes of the law, that is just as if you have plead guilty. As a matter of time, the only break you'll get for pleading NOLO is on your record and not your sentence. So, if someone pleads NOLO it is NOT a sign that there was no case. It's actually the opposite. The defendant choses to take the easier way out, right or wrong, instead of proceeding with a trial.

Now, as to your stats of 99% of arrests that have racial slurs get thrown out....I don't know if the figures are right or not. My point was not that the police are right or wrong for being disrespectful. My point was that doesn't negate that someone is a criminal and deserves what they get.

Let me give you a perfect example brought down to scale:

My best friend was dropping her kids off at school the other morning. She drives a Yukon. Bright red. There is another SUV next to her up against the opposing curb dropping their kids off at school. This lady decides that since she is in a hurry, she will try to squeeze between them. She hits my best friends car. My best friend jumps out and is understandably pissed because the lady only had to wait a few more secs and it wouldn't of even happened.

The lady then smuggly tells my best friend, after a few words were exchanged, that she didn't have to be so ugly about it. WHAT????? SHE hit the car and wants someone to be nice about it????? How is being "nice" about it gonna change the fact that it was HER stupidity that caused the accident?????? It isn't is it? Well, the same thing happens when all these bleeding hearts and whiners complain about getting their feelings hurt while they were being arrested for selling drugs to little kids....... :jerkit: Whatever.

[JoeCoolinATL]

theres always a few bad apples in every bunch. ive been ticketed 26 times, ive been pulled over more than 50 times, ive been arrested. do i hold it against any cop? not a bit. they are out there putting their lives in the line of fire every day for us.

[Jaimecbr900]

Well, reading through this was very interesting.

Frank, You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about cops in general.

See how I'm not the only one that noticed the same thing Frank?

Yes, there are bad people, racists, murderers, etc. Not all people are like this. The things this man did were unspeakable. I agree that the cops should, doing their job, seek a peaceful outcome to the capture of this person. I also feel that if he resists in any way, with a weapon, he should go down. End of story.

Too many people seem to want to treat felons better than the rest of the public who do not commit crimes. Criminals are being let out too early, given sentences that are too easy. This does not deter them from doing it again.

Exactly.

[Scrappy]

rich is smart

[Leisa]

Well, reading through this was very interesting.

Frank, You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about cops in general. Yes, there are bad people, racists, murderers, etc. Not all people are like this. The things this man did were unspeakable. I agree that the cops should, doing their job, seek a peaceful outcome to the capture of this person. I also feel that if he resists in any way, with a weapon, he should go down. End of story.

Too many people seem to want to treat felons better than the rest of the public who do not commit crimes. Criminals are being let out too early, given sentences that are too easy. This does not deter them from doing it again.

I agree with this 100%!!! Criminals are getting off way to easy nowaday, being let out on probation, etc.... I honestly beleive that if you do the crime you should do the time to the full degree... If cops were to find this guy I can assure you that he will either A. blow his own head off.,.. or B. make a scene and have to be shot..... its not going to be a pretty site either way. He deserves everything he gets times 3... he killed 3 innocent people with his stupidy...

[Brett]

Frank, Im with them on that issue for sure, You have ALWAYS in your posts come across as you have a huge chip on your shoulder about police and the law. You have posted many times about all the shit that has happened to you and your friends with the police..... Man something is up if all this shit happens to you and your friends if you all are always innocent, and Im sorry, You being black is not a reason every cop is going to give you and your friends the shit you say they do.

I am friends with MANY black people and they have never had problems with the police. So why do they pick on you? You keep saying we have to know the facts before judging this guy, I mean shit... Is him taking over a woman and beating her head into the ground to the point she substained brain injuries ( The one they thought at first who was shot ) and then taking her gun and leaving her to die ( Im sure he figured she would ) and then walk into the court instead of running and leaving the courthouse, he shoots the judge and his assistant..... Then runs out side stops, and shoot the deputy chasing him killing him... then car jacking several cars within minutes and pistol whipping one of them for sure and leaving that guy needing stiches. But you dont seem to see he is in the wrong, and you keep wanting to make excuses for him and even trying to suggest he was beaten behind closed doors and this is why he was like this. Be honest, please..... If he wasnt black you would say fuck him, let him get what he deserves, But because he is black you are going to try and fill your head and ours with every excuse to make him look like he had a reason. Do you hate the world and the law that much man? You and I have ALWAYS had good debates, But you keep sticking up for this guy and I cant begin to figure out why.

It doesnt matter Frank if he is black, White, Mexican, Chinese, etc.... WE DONT CARE AND WE ARENT JUDGING THIS GUY FOR THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN!! He rped his wife for several days and killed cops and judges, What more does he have to do in your eyes before you stop trying to blame society for the way he is?

[Tracy]

Jaime, You are so smart and I love you!!! You really know how to organize your thoughts and get your point across. I wish I was like you!!! Ok maybe not that last part, but the rest I still think!!

[Brett]

Another thing, If we started treating criminals as they are we would have never had today happen. Instead of them coming in and standing trial handcuffed and in prison clothes, we "TO MAKE IT EASIER ON THE CRIMINALS" let them wear street clothes and no cuffs ot restraints. But go for fucking bid these people look like criminals when they go on trial.

[Scrappy]

i dont understand your last sentence bert but i am with you all the way...

[Leisa]

He was saying God Forbid that the criminals look like criminals when they go on trial.. they actually get to wear street clothes

[Brett]

i dont understand your last sentence bert but i am with you all the way...

Basically when these people come into a court room the state lets them wear street clothes so they dont come in in cuffs and prison clothes ( They are afraid it would affect a jury's choice ) So my last sentence is saying let them come in like that looking like a criminal, atleast the people in the court room are safe when they are cuffed and in state clothes. In street clothes he blended in right away the moment he left the building.

[Scrappy]

k thanks... my bad... but that is true... i swear people like frank are ones that get to me... if MYSELF went out and raped (if possible) another person, killed A JUDGE!, police and other humans because i didnt want to go to jail and get ass raped and beat because i am a petit blonde one they want... i would EXPECT to be put in jail and my family know becuase i got shot by a black person it wasnt racial... should be the same here... if i were the one to shoot him i would say on camera "damn straight i shot him because he is ignorant and inhumane... (spell)

[Scrappy]

Basically when these people come into a court room the state lets them wear street clothes so they dont come in in cuffs and prison clothes ( They are afraid it would affect a jury's choice ) So my last sentence is saying let them come in like that looking like a criminal, atleast the people in the court room are safe when they are cuffed and in state clothes. In street clothes he blended in right away the moment he left the building.

with you on that now that i got a full explanation...

[JITB]

why is this even being discussed? Nobody pulls the race card on maniacs like this guy. BUt it has happen were innocent african americans were shot by white cops. Regardless of why they shot him. it iwll always be a white/black thing. Even if a black guy kills a white person or is accused of doing so. Its a given that the suspect will catch hell in a court room. Everyoen knows that cop killers get shot at or killed.

[Kevykev]

^^ Tru tru

lots of different perspective to view this from.

[T-Mo Goodie]

I totally think that the guy who did this should get everything thats coming. Now my problem with this thread (and I read it all) is WHY did Brett have to start it out by saying what he said in the first place. To me, it was a slap in the face because it almost seemed as if you were saying that in most situations, blacks will throw up the race card if a white officer was involved.

Most of time when the race card is thrown in, it needed to be. Shit, some of you surburban living folks just don't get out enough.

[Brett]

The topic was asking why cant people accept what happens to a person REGARDLESS OF RACE. You do the crime, you get the punishment no matter what it is. Simple. You want to take it as a racial issue, Thats your own problem, I made it quite clear it wasnt and everyone who has posted in this until you came along has not questioned it, because they all know me personally and know thats not what this is about.

[T-Mo Goodie]

"Who is willing to bet by the end of the day you will have groups starting lawsuits saying "He was killed because he was black, A white cop killed him for no reason" but yet you wont see these same people bitch that he just killed 3 white or black people, That doesnt matter..... does it?"

I understand what you were trying to say, and maybe I missed a tread or two before it even bringing this thought into your mind. I just was wondering, why it started out like it did in the first place. I by no means think you are racist. I was just wondering WHY you were even thinking like that in the first place. Who was to say that a white officer will be the one to kill him?? Tell me a situation TO THIS EXTREME, where activist groups stepped in and defended the suspect???? What I am saying is, from the get go, I don't think ANYONE black is thinking of standing aside this bastard. That's all.

[Brett]

The reason I thought it was this..... He kills 3 people and 1 was a judge and one was a cop... So if they find him, You can bet there will be some trigger happy cops there, a gun fires and kills him... Lets say by chance it ends up a white cop did it.. You will see every group on the news the very next day crying out it was racial.

I see it on the news every week. People try and use the race card all the time when it comes to this shit, It just gets old after a while. Read a few of the examples a few people used and you will understand more where I am coming from on this, But im glad you know im not a racist and I am not trying to start any race shit, Just stating after a while the shit gets old.

No matter what color someone is, they commit the crime, They need to pay the price, in this case, If this guy was white/Chinese/whatever..... I want to see a cop pull the trigger on this man without reason to do it.

[Scrappy]

umm obviously you havent read one person on heres posts... hes defending him saying he could do worse and the reasons he has done the things he has was cause of his race... who you calling a bastard? just wondering

[FrnkPwrs]

Chip on my shoulder? Anyone who knows me beyond a couple words on a screen just knows that I dont do police. If Im pulled over I dont say to my friends "Oh, this fucking pig just swooped on me because Im black, down with the man!". If Im speeding, damn, Im speeding, get the ticket, buck it up. You have never seen me call the cops pigs, pricks and dicks, none of that. I have problems with the law because I say its not impossible for a cop to be racist? LOL, only in GA.

Why do I get harrassed by the police so much? One reason I know for a fact is that I stand out. I drive a lexus and have owned an Aprilia Mille R but I am too young to rent a car at the airport. None of mommys money. Ive sat down and ate at restaurants like Chops, Lobster Bar, and Ruth Chris before I was legal drinking age and people do the same things you see in movies. Ever go to eat and have somone tell me you the average price of a meal when you enter or ask to pay upfront when you order. All my life since I was first able to work Ive always saved so I can have some things nicer than the average person. When I moved to GA, I see people by some of the same things I like. But its like I am the only one gets pulled over, stopped and questioned, car VIN checked, car searched and researched.

So how am I wrong there? Am I not supposed to have nice things if I work hard for them? I get looked at multiple times because of people judging a book by its cover. Am I supposed to dress and talk and act like everyone else? Im not loud when I talk, but I talk with a up-north accent. I wear Sean John and Phat Farm instead of Abercrombie and Finch. I moved to GA and used to catch it from everyone. I stand out. I am who I am. I have to change who I am? I have to bleech my skin? Take down all of my flags?

When people who havent had as many situations as I act like everything is cupcakes I get offended. I have a good good good Cuban friend who moved here from Tampa. You would never in our life guess he was Cuban, looks like your average UGA college boy. He will tell you quicker than anyone else that there is a difference. Like I said many times over, how can someone white gripe over things like racial profiling and "the race card"? Never am I saying that use race as a crutch, but realize that you must work a bit harder than the next man to make it to their same position.

I would need reams and reams of paper to write about every situation that I or my family has encountered. HOw can I not help but think about things like
my father being called a nigger at work and he goes through the proper avenues of reporting it and nothing happens. Yet, Im the upitity guy that always has a couple pennies to toss when something racial happens.

I respect police officers. Even recently in Creative Loafing there was an article about the "Californication" of Georgia which touched on issues similiar that Ive been through. Being hispanic in the US is hard, and you are seen as less than human.

Your Puerto Rican? So would you outraged by someone calling you a burrito brother, or calling your kids little border jumpers? My grandfather looked white, played the white role. My mother looks black, she played the black role all of her life because she felt its a lot better being considered black than dominican [just another mexican to most]. It worked for them because there is a difference. I work in the club business. I go to clubs like Wild Bills and I am amazed at how things like fights are handled there, compared to how some of the securities and police react at the spanish clubs. I dont know what type of events or activities you go to, but next time you go out, take a look.

Ive never said that its impossible to prosper in society being a minority, but there is a difference. Its seems like I have a problem because I talk about it! So many people get pissed when I talk about how let cops do their job and get out their way, but I guess that is all forgotten now. Whatever... Of course, we are in America, racism doesnt exist. Its impossible, its like crushing an egg with one hand. Everybody who gets the short end of the stick and says because they are black, brown, yellow or orange is making it up. That one guy in Texas, deserved to be dragged by a truck. That one haitan guy in NY who was shot with over 20 odd shell reaching for his wallet by 3 cops, hey, dumbass should have learned english before getting off that damn boat! The clan rallys and Neo Nazi events here in GA as recent as 2003, those guys are faking the hate!

And criminals are being let off too easy? How many of you have actually been locked up? How many of you have served 15 year sentences? Think about where you were 15 years ago. Do you think a man can go back into society after living in a state prison for even 5 years? Every night fearing rape? Being in a room the size of your bathrooms 20 hours a day? Man, being locked up is something that cant be described. And they dont lock medium criminals up with big criminals, understand? The guy that is there for DUI is locked up with the guy for murder. The guy from forgery with the guy for sodomy, the guy for insurance fraud is there with the guy for armed robbery. So who do you think the ones who are getting "Butt Raped" are?

Then think about it, a lot of these criminals cant serve life in jail. What type of citizens are getting released from these jails? Citizens who have lived based on the laws of survival, not the laws of the county. Do you know how hard it is to get a decent job with a felony record? One that makes it possible to pay $123/mo in probation and find somewhere to stay? What if you have kids? A sickness? And you cant find anything for more than $6/hr? Is that person omre likely to take up the $6/hr job or trying one of the ways of making money he learned while in jail, like selling drugs? Hmm... There is more to it than just locking people up. I think the current penal system is all messed up. But I guess I will be criticized for being too kind to criminals, but my point is that just throwing people in a box doesnt work. The system needs reworking. Things like NOLO/1st Offender need to expunge arrest when the terms are finished seeing that A NO LO OR 1st OFFENDERS PLEA IS NOT AN ADMISSION OF GUILT. Look it up, dont assume it.

[Scrappy]

dude you are way into yourself on this... most of what you typed means shit to what was at topic... what does hourly pay have to do with who killed who and who should be shot and not called for racial stuff... either that or i have missed your reasoning

[FrnkPwrs]

umm obviously you havent read one person on heres posts... hes defending him saying he could do worse and the reasons he has done the things he has was cause of his race... who you calling a bastard? just wondering

Who said that the reason he is doing it is beacuse of his race? I guess I missed that post.

t-mo, i feel you. I wasnt even thinking abotu the guys race, and didnt know he was black until brett posted, even after following it in the news. My whole point, who says there is no race card issues? People act like everything is so peachy

AND FOR MY POST BEFORE THIS, DONT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH! IM SAYING JAIL IS A CRAZY PLACE, NOT THAT THE SHOOTER TODAY DOESNT DESERVE JAIL! I HAVE SAID TONS OF TIMES THROUGH THIS THREAD THAT HE WAS WRONG AND I BELIEVE HE NEEDS TO BE SHOT, BUT GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS FIRST! I AM NOT SAYING THAT HE DOESNT DESERVE JAIL! I AM SLIGHTLY SWAYING FROM TOPIC! I AM SAYING THAT THE CURRENT PENAL SYSTEM NEEDS WORK! DONT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH AND MAKE ASSUMPTIONS

[FrnkPwrs]

dude you are way into yourself on this... most of what you typed means shit to what was at topic... what does hourly pay have to do with who killed who and who should be shot and not called for racial stuff... either that or i have missed your reasoning

Im sorry, but you are as dumb as the girl in your avatar. Is there an ignore button for the forum?

[T-Mo Goodie]

umm obviously you havent read one person on heres posts... hes defending him saying he could do worse and the reasons he has done the things he has was cause of his race... who you calling a bastard? just wondering

Read what I said again........when I said 'bastard' I was refering to the fucker that killed these people today. No one in their right mind would stand up for this guy saying hes innocent.