Quote Originally Posted by FrnkPwrs
Im not here trying to defend say he is not guilty or he was justified in killing. My point was that leave the decision of if she should live or die up to the courts, thats it. The police LEGALLY dont have the right to take his life, shoot on site, whatever, that is all that Im saying.
You don't get it do you? Who did HE leave the decision up to when he pulled the trigger while pointing the gun at those innocent people???? WHO? He was in the process of having his day in court. HE didn't want it because he figured he was gonna go to jail anyway. HIS problem. Those innocent people did nothing but their JOB today. Did they deserve to be murdered? I still don't get how any amount of his sob "story" is going to justify that. I don't get it. He obviously is not concerned about "legalities" when he decided to do what he did. My point is: Why try and afford a criminal options and privilages HE/SHE don't afford their victims? Why???

Any type of situation could have happened that drove him to this.
And the price of tea in China is? Again, you're trying to be the bleeding heart for someone that no matter which angle you look at it from IS NOT JUSTIFIED. Why is that so hard for you to admit? This is where my "you have unresolved issues with Police" comes from. You keep trying to gloss over and sweep under the rug that the guy is now a MURDERER. No matter which way you slice it, that's a known fact now. If the shootout happened at his house, on his property, while he was peacefully minding his business, I could understand. This guy was being tried and headed to the pen like the criminal he is. The only difference is that today he escalated that into a BIG TIME criminal. Yet, you still try to say that there is this magical other story that will somehow explain what he did. Is that going to change that he KILLED 3 people in cold blood? NO!!! So, personally, I'd tell him to stick the story and excuses up his ass cause I wouldn't want to hear them.


I brought it up because there was more to my story than being called all types of racist slurs. When you have an entire unit of people made up all types of all these law enforcement agencies in GA calling every spanish person there pepe, migo, taco man, or saying things like "I need new gloves, my hand is smelling like burrito juice", you get offended it. Where is your outrage there? But that average person says "Yea, people always throwing the race card"
Let me explain something to you that you obviously don't know. I'm just as Spanish as you are. I'm Puerto Rican. I was a citizen the second I was born eventhough I wasn't born in the States per se. I've been asked for my "green card" plenty of times by ignorant people for various reasons. I've been called Mexican, taco, etc. a bunch of times. I've had GF's parents kick me out of their house when they laid eyes on me.

So let me be sure you don't mistake me for someone that just fell off the turnip truck. I've met and dealt with racism too. Point? I don't hold that against every redneck I meet. I don't hold that against every Black person I meet. I don't hold that against any White person I meet. There are ignorant people everywhere in every color. So, don't sit there and assume I wouldn't find something offending or not. But being offended doesn't give me a reason to KILL somebody. Being offended doesn't change the fact that if I kill somebody, I should get killed myself. So, based on your way of thinking, if a racist cop made this guy go off, it some how suddenly wins him a fair and speedy trial??? BS. I say give him the same exact courtesy he gave the people he murdered w/o a second thought or a second chance.

What's racism or race cards or hurt feelings or the bleeding hearts have to do with that?

Especially when those cops did things like illegal searches. When you have male officers searching women, female officers pulling down other females panties in front of a room fool of men nothing is wrong. Especially when the only thing that person did was go to a club. I mean, if all of those people bust into Loca Luna or Toungue&Groove one weekend same result right? Or maybe people think they can get away with more with spanish people because they wont tell or are seen as a "lesser race"... Hmmm...

You dont think somethign is race provoked when you have an entire club with 500+ people ran for warrants and citizenship? Oh yea, but thats not racist, or at the least nobodys rights were violated. If were spanish that night you were treated less than human. People pissing and shitting on themselves because they werent allowed to go to the bathroom after 3-4 hours with their hands behind their back.

Your sick and tired of hearing black people say that things happen because of race? I get sick and tired of white people thinking that that this world is so happy and serene. How can white people really say that black and hispanics dont get discriminated against? When is the last time you went to a nice upscale store as a black man? When is the last time you got pulled over as a black man? When is the last time you EVER been in the prescence of an officer and they thought you dont speak english? Every time something is called racially motivated its "Here goes the old race card again". Im sick of this shit, I dont care who online or off gets pissed about it.

Yea, bullshit is brought into it, but believe it or not, racist shit does happen sometimes! Ive had friends ride in the car with me and they say "Why do you freeze up put your hands on the wheel, speak slow, roll down your windows, etc." when getting pulled over. That seems so crazy and foriegn to them. People will never understand
You obviously don't know anything about me.

My whole business is centered around helping people, especially mi gente. I have catered to the Hispanic segment here in Atlanta for over 10 yrs. The difference is I don't wear my race on my shoulder like a chip. I can speak English better than most people that were born here. I write it just as well or better too. I can speak and write my native language too. If people like me or don't like me is up to them. If they want to base that on race, more power to them. If they want to base it on me being an ass, good for them.

You obviously have unresolved issues with something. You've mentioned this club incident like 10 times already. If you truly feel that you were wronged, then do something about it. If you don't want to, that's your perrogative. But when you sit there and talk to me like I don't know what racism is or what it isn't, that's crap.

My point was simple. This has and should not have anything to do with racism. The guy is a low life that killed 3 innocent people. I don't care what color he is. This sentence ^^^^ is all I need to know. He can cry me a river for all I care. He had choices. The dead people now don't thanks to him.


I swear, I love this thinking. Ever see the movie colors? That reminds me of the cop PacMan. Making an arrest and taking the extra step to make it a little bit more of hell for that person. These people are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. So calling a racist slur is worst when 99% of the time some of these people who are arrested end up with cases that are false arrest/not guilty/NOLO/reindictments. That rate isnt just .1 percent.

#1 NOLO stands for Nolocontendre, which means no contest. In the eyes of the law, that is just as if you have plead guilty. As a matter of time, the only break you'll get for pleading NOLO is on your record and not your sentence. So, if someone pleads NOLO it is NOT a sign that there was no case. It's actually the opposite. The defendant choses to take the easier way out, right or wrong, instead of proceeding with a trial.

Now, as to your stats of 99% of arrests that have racial slurs get thrown out....I don't know if the figures are right or not. My point was not that the police are right or wrong for being disrespectful. My point was that doesn't negate that someone is a criminal and deserves what they get.

Let me give you a perfect example brought down to scale:

My best friend was dropping her kids off at school the other morning. She drives a Yukon. Bright red. There is another SUV next to her up against the opposing curb dropping their kids off at school. This lady decides that since she is in a hurry, she will try to squeeze between them. She hits my best friends car. My best friend jumps out and is understandably pissed because the lady only had to wait a few more secs and it wouldn't of even happened.

The lady then smuggly tells my best friend, after a few words were exchanged, that she didn't have to be so ugly about it. WHAT????? SHE hit the car and wants someone to be nice about it????? How is being "nice" about it gonna change the fact that it was HER stupidity that caused the accident?????? It isn't is it? Well, the same thing happens when all these bleeding hearts and whiners complain about getting their feelings hurt while they were being arrested for selling drugs to little kids....... :jerkit: Whatever.