Reaction to the GZ trial- Not trying to discuss the case but.........

[Vteckidd]

Like the verdict or not, and we have ALL REHASHED our opinions 1000 times (not trying to do that again).

I have heard the TM Lawyers talk about how they respectfully disagree with the verdict but respect it. TM Parents have been nothing short of the epitome of class during this whole ordeal and I def feel for their loss (regardless of how or who you blame the loss of a child is devastating to a parent).

But, I watched this panel last night on AC360 and it was absolutely disgusting. Theres this notion going around how basically ONLY black people can now dispense justice for a black murder victim

You have people in the MAINSTREAM MEDIA saying that the jury couldnt possibly identify with TM , a black youth, and they got this wrong on all counts, and its scary how dangerous the verdict is for black teens and parents. They want civil rights investigations, Jesse Jackson wants the UN to investigate LOL

I walked by a protest this weekend in Centennial Park where I live. People had their 6-7 year old kids screaming at traffic "JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON" which I thought was a little over the top. Kids dont even know what Justice means really. PLus you are opening them up to potential confrontation.

Anyways my point is , wasnt JUSTICE served?

GZ was arrested, charged, and acquitted by a JURY of his peers in accordance with our laws. The prosecution and defense both attempted to fill the jury as they saw fit.

What I take away from this is that the African American population (being portrayed in the news) would only be satisfied with an outcome THEY wanted, regardless of what anyone else thinks. They also think now, that since the verdict isnt what they wanted, that ONLY a jury of BLACKS can decide if a BLACK PERSON was given justice or not.

ISNT THAT THE VERY DEFINITION OF RACE AND SEGREGATION THAT THEY FOUGHT AGAINST FOR 100s OF YEARS?

[Vteckidd]

Oh, and they are now accusing the Jury of being racist based upon that fact that it was WHITE WOMEN , who dont know what its like being a BLACK MALE , which is why they got the verdict "wrong".

So basically their answer is to fight so called racism with their own racism? Are we just going to put EVERY WHITE PERSON in the category of being a RACIST because they didnt proceed with the outcome that a segment of the population wanted? YOu realize how dangerous it is to accuse WHITE WOMEN of being RACIST on a jury right?

[Echonova]

Stevie Wonder wants to boycott Florida... LOL What the hell does the state itself have to do with it???


However, I do have a better plan on how to deal with Florida.

[Vteckidd]

I heard that too. Boycott Florida? Why? What about the FBI , Special Prosecutor WHO ALL AGREED THAT THERE WAS NO CASE?

[Sinfix_15]

I guess the next thing to do is segregate the courts.... we'll have to have an all black legal system for black people, since nobody other than black people can possibly understand what its like to be black. Then young black men like Trayvon can find justice among a jury of their peers... and by peers, i mean other black people. Because the media has spoke adamantly about how white women are not the peers of black people. This is the america that Martin Luther King always wanted.... Maybe we should go a step further and have black only neighborhoods, diners, schools ect..... maybe even black only cities and states. This way the black experience doesnt get watered down or disturbed by white supremacy.

[BanginJimmy]

I heard that too. Boycott Florida? Why? What about the FBI , Special Prosecutor WHO ALL AGREED THAT THERE WAS NO CASE?

Doesnt matter to people who stand to profit from increased racial turmoil.

I find it funny how the fact that the prosecution withheld evidence from the defense is getting almost no press. The only reason we know about it because the guy that prepared the report came forward about it, and was recently fired because of it.

[BanginJimmy]

Forgot to post this earlier. If anyone wants to give the DOJ a tip for their Zimmerman witch hunt here you go.

[email protected]


Like most, I dont see any possible way this could backfire and be abused.

[Vteckidd]

I guess the next thing to do is segregate the courts.... we'll have to have an all black legal system for black people, since nobody other than black people can possibly understand what its like to be black. Then young black men like Trayvon can find justice among a jury of their peers... and by peers, i mean other black people. Because the media has spoke adamantly about how white women are not the peers of black people. This is the america that Martin Luther King always wanted.... Maybe we should go a step further and have black only neighborhoods, diners, schools ect..... maybe even black only cities and states. This way the black experience doesnt get watered down or disturbed by white supremacy.

Thats my point exactly. How idiotic is it to suggest that justice wasnt served?

To me its clear as day, that the ONLY way the black outrage would have been stopped, is if A) White Jury found GZ Guilty (in which case none of this "whites dont understand blacks" bullshit wouldnt be brought up) B) Black jurors were present and found GZ Guilty.

I almost bet you that if there were black jurors, and they found GZ NOT GUILTY they would be accused of being Uncle Toms or White Servants etc.

To me this is the scariest thing about this trial, we can all agree or disagree on the MERITS of the case. But to continue to perpetuate the racism of the country that is CLEARLY not present, is laughable.

Its basically setup so that you cant win (if youre white). Youll be accused of racism for disagreeing.

[Bacon]

The one thing that the general population cannot wrap their head around:

The court system did their job. Not so much that "justice was served" but the court system and the jury based judgment on evidence at hand. Not "what ifs" or "could haves" or "should haves" but clear evidence. Only one side was heard because the other side is deceased.

Did GZ kill TM? Yes.
Did GZ "murder" TM? No.
Should GZ have pulled the trigger? No.
Could he have held TM at gun point until police arrived? By all means yes.
Was GZ ethically and morally right? No.
Was GZ legally right? Yes.

It could have ended way differently but it didn't and it never will. We may never like our laws nor will we appreciate a majority of them but its called "the court of law" and not "the court of moral" for a reason. The case had to work for someone and it worked in favor of GZ because the court system did their jobs correctly. If GZ was found guilty, do you think there would be riots and a slew of pissed off people? No.

[Disclaimer for this next section: I am not a racist. I do not look at black people as a minority. I support equal rights for every gender and race across the board as a whole.]

Black people see this solely as a black kid getting "murdered" and I put that in quotations as what we perceive it as and not what it legally means. They do not see the entire picture and only have tunnel vision on what they want to see. This is clearly evident by not only what you see in the media on TV but also social media as well. Look at Twitter and Facebook. Personal views are racially segregated because of what I mentioned previously in this paragraph. Black people want to bury GZ because a young black person will killed during this. There will much unnecessary tension for a while and it is what it will be. I am not speaking for every black person but only what we see.

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[Sinfix_15]

I feel like ive been saying these things for a while now. This case just put it under a spotlight to make it more obvious. I guess the only thing i'm guilty of is being the first person to notice it.

[Sammich]

As i tell everyone....there wasnt enough to convict Zimmerman of 2nd degree..defense did it's job on raising reasonable doubt for that charge, but it blows my mind that he didnt get charged for manslaughter

[Boosted FC]

I'm boycotting Florida orange juice. Just sayin.....

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[Sinfix_15]

As i tell everyone....there wasnt enough to convict Zimmerman of 2nd degree..defense did it's job on raising reasonable doubt for that charge, but it blows my mind that he didnt get charged for manslaughter

That's because you have zero understanding of law. "As i told everyone".... there was a 0% chance of 2nd degree murder... no chance... not even close....

[David88vert]

As i tell everyone....there wasnt enough to convict Zimmerman of 2nd degree..defense did it's job on raising reasonable doubt for that charge, but it blows my mind that he didnt get charged for manslaughter

He did get charged with manslaughter - right before the closing arguments, the prosecution added the charge of manslaughter, which meant that the defense was not allowed to argue against the charge with their witnesses, only with closing arguments.
George Zimmerman trial: Jury may consider lesser charge of manslaughter, judge rules - Crimesider - CBS News

[Vteckidd]

As i tell everyone....there wasnt enough to convict Zimmerman of 2nd degree..defense did it's job on raising reasonable doubt for that charge, but it blows my mind that he didnt get charged for manslaughter

Thats fine, but, do you think that this is a RACE issue? Or just simply a tragedy?

Do you feel JUSTICE was served? Meaning, a man was accused, tried, and given every opportunity to defend himself, and a jury of his peers found him not guilty?

You can disagree with the verdict, im ok with that.

What you shouldnt do, is accuse the justice system of being racist, and the jury of being WHITE with WHITE PRIVLEDGE (was said on AC360) and thats why GZ was acquitted.

[Vteckidd]

Oreilley had former NAACP Director on yesterday Michael Bond. He actually made some very good points, which surprised me because the NAACP has become a hugely racist organization in recent years.

He said he doesnt believe GZ is racist. He said he doesnt feel this is a civic rights case at all. He said however, that GZ may have profiled TM, and TM profiled GZ. THAT is what people should be focusing on. Instead of profiling, WHY DIDNT GZ SAY "Hey kid, can i help you? Im the neighborhood Watch "

Why didnt TM say "Sir are you following me, can I help you?"

Why did GZ treat TM as a suspicious character and why did TM accuse GZ of being a "creepy ass cracker".

THAT is a WORTHY conversation.

[Sammich]

Thats fine, but, do you think that this is a RACE issue? Or just simply a tragedy?

Do you feel JUSTICE was served? Meaning, a man was accused, tried, and given every opportunity to defend himself, and a jury of his peers found him not guilty?

You can disagree with the verdict, im ok with that.

What you shouldnt do, is accuse the justice system of being racist, and the jury of being WHITE with WHITE PRIVLEDGE (was said on AC360) and thats why GZ was acquitted.

race WAS an issue and it was a tragedy as well. i see it in the manner of race and i also see it in the manner that, plain and simple, someone got off for killing another human that truthfully deserved time for it. i dont see the need, just because you cant fight to shoot/kill someone.

justice wasnt served, in any form/fashion. like i said, he should have gotten manslaughter, i believe prosecution had enough presented for manslaughter to be a slam dunk, but defense put all sorts of doubt on the table for 2nd degree murder to stick, why do you think that manslaughter was added to the table.

i dont know how true it is but one (maybe it was juror B37) that knew Zimmerman in some form other than just this media hooplah that transpired....

[Sammich]

He did get charged with manslaughter - right before the closing arguments, the prosecution added the charge of manslaughter, which meant that the defense was not allowed to argue against the charge with their witnesses, only with closing arguments.
George Zimmerman trial: Jury may consider lesser charge of manslaughter, judge rules - Crimesider - CBS News

*convicted*

[Vteckidd]

race WAS an issue and it was a tragedy as well. i see it in the manner of race and i also see it in the manner that, plain and simple, someone got off for killing another human that truthfully deserved time for it. i dont see the need, just because you cant fight to shoot/kill someone.

justice wasnt served, in any form/fashion. like i said, he should have gotten manslaughter, i believe prosecution had enough presented for manslaughter to be a slam dunk, but defense put all sorts of doubt on the table for 2nd degree murder to stick, why do you think that manslaughter was added to the table.

i dont know how true it is but one (maybe it was juror B37) that knew Zimmerman in some form other than just this media hooplah that transpired....

What makes you think it was race? Give specifics.

Just because a black person DIES doesnt make it racial if its at the hands of a non african american.

Are you telling me the:
FBI
Federal Special Prosecutor
Jury
Former Director of the NAACP
Various Talking Heads (media personalities)

Are all WRONG in saying this was NOT a racial case? Are you telling me that ALL THOSE organizations, who spent MONTHS on this case and know EVERY DETAIL, are WRONG? If so, WHY are they wrong?

Again, cite specifics

[Browning151]

Instead of profiling, WHY DIDNT GZ SAY "Hey kid, can i help you? Im the neighborhood Watch "

Why didnt TM say "Sir are you following me, can I help you?"

Why did GZ treat TM as a suspicious character and why did TM accuse GZ of being a "creepy ass cracker".

THAT is a WORTHY conversation.

It is a worthy conversation, but the reason that those two conversational scenarios don't work is because it has become cool to be "hard" and act like a thug now. Teens of all ages, races and socioeconomic status think that acting like a hard ass and being generally disrespectful makes them cool. If GZ approaches the conversation like that he likely get's some smart ass response from the teen (any teen, not just TM), and the likelihood of any teen having the mental capacity to be that respectful in the second scenario is pretty low.

[Sammich]

What makes you think it was race? Give specifics.

Just because a black person DIES doesnt make it racial if its at the hands of a non african american.

Are you telling me the:
FBI
Federal Special Prosecutor
Jury
Former Director of the NAACP
Various Talking Heads (media personalities)

Are all WRONG in saying this was NOT a racial case? Are you telling me that ALL THOSE organizations, who spent MONTHS on this case and know EVERY DETAIL, are WRONG? If so, WHY are they wrong?

Again, cite specifics

being profiled from the perspective of a black male, you would never understand. so me going through whatever i say would never allow you to understand that it has any form of racial prejudice in it.

now like i said in that same post that you quoted, it was also a tragedy, period...and i do legit mean this, if it was a kid that was white, no matter the killer's race, and the killer still got off, i would feel the exact same that i do right now. the guy deserves time, and if the case was presented overall in teh same manner, he would have gotten off on 2nd degree, but i would see manslaughter, with the evidence/cases presented, would still be what the killer should be convicted of.

i'm not going to participate in this race nonsense.

here's one thing that i do believe in, and i've said this to others as well...why are yall rioting/protesting strictly over this case where situations like in chicago where 50 black people are losing their lives in a weekend by the hands of other blacks. IMHO it is ignorant to protest over this case. at the end of the day, he wasnt found guilty...same state that found casey anthony innocent.

[Sammich]

It is a worthy conversation, but the reason that those two conversational scenarios don't work is because it has become cool to be "hard" and act like a thug now. Teens of all ages, races and socioeconomic status think that acting like a hard ass and being generally disrespectful makes them cool. If GZ approaches the conversation like that he likely get's some smart ass response from the teen (any teen, not just TM), and the likelihood of any teen having the mental capacity to be that respectful in the second scenario is pretty low.

agreed

[BanginJimmy]

being profiled from the perspective of a black male, you would never understand. so me going through whatever i say would never allow you to understand that it has any form of racial prejudice in it.

If you cant articulate the evidence of profiling, how do you know he was profiled? You werent there so you are basing this assumption on what others have said, what did they say to make you so sure it was profiling?

the guy deserves time, and if the case was presented overall in teh same manner, he would have gotten off on 2nd degree, but i would see manslaughter, with the evidence/cases presented, would still be what the killer should be convicted of. .

Manslaughter is not murder light. There is a small but very important distinction between the 2. Zimmerman pulled his pistol with the intent to shoot Martin. It was not a negligent act that led to Martins death, it was a purposeful act. Murder 2 was the correct charge considering the case the prosecution tried to lay out. Their problem came from a lack of evidence, not an incorrect charge.

[BanginJimmy]

i dont know how true it is but one (maybe it was juror B37) that knew Zimmerman in some form other than just this media hooplah that transpired....

Are you saying this because she referred to Zimmerman as George? If you, you might want to watch the interview again cause didnt she also refer to Martin as Trayvon?

No, I didnt see the interview, only heard clips. The only time I turn on CNN is to watch liberal butt hurt.

[bu villain]

Part of the disconnect seems to be that some people think laws and justice are the same thing, others don't see that as necessarily true.

[Sammich]

Part of the disconnect seems to be that some people think laws and justice are the same thing, others don't see that as necessarily true.

i see the difference, hence why i said not convicting him of 2nd degree made sense, but i think enough evidence presented to convict him of manslaughter. justice wasnt served

[BanginJimmy]

i see the difference, hence why i said not convicting him of 2nd degree made sense, but i think enough evidence presented to convict him of manslaughter. justice wasnt served

Name a single piece of evidence that refutes Zimmerman's claim of self defense. I have heard of none.

[bu villain]

i see the difference, hence why i said not convicting him of 2nd degree made sense, but i think enough evidence presented to convict him of manslaughter. justice wasnt served

It sounds like you are mixing the two to me (law and justice). From my view, he didn't break any law (including manslaughter) but I also believe he should be held responsible for his poor actions and the justice system failed to do that because the laws didn't allow it.

[Sinfix_15]

Oreilley had former NAACP Director on yesterday Michael Bond. He actually made some very good points, which surprised me because the NAACP has become a hugely racist organization in recent years.

He said he doesnt believe GZ is racist. He said he doesnt feel this is a civic rights case at all. He said however, that GZ may have profiled TM, and TM profiled GZ. THAT is what people should be focusing on. Instead of profiling, WHY DIDNT GZ SAY "Hey kid, can i help you? Im the neighborhood Watch "

Why didnt TM say "Sir are you following me, can I help you?"

Why did GZ treat TM as a suspicious character and why did TM accuse GZ of being a "creepy ass cracker".

THAT is a WORTHY conversation.

Why did GZ treat TM as a suspicious character? A- Because his neighborhood was being victimized by criminals. Because he was walking in the rain leisurely and looking into houses. This question was already answered. Why do people refuse to accept GZ's answer? they just going to keep asking the same question till they get the response they want? "because he was black"

Why did TM "profile" GZ and respond to him with hostility? A- Cultural differences. Educational differences. A different view of the legal system and a lack of faith in it. A culture that glorifies violence and perpetuates an "us vs the world" mentality. A lot of young black kids just simply dont know any better. Theyre not educated with the tools to handle various social situations.

[BanginJimmy]

It sounds like you are mixing the two to me (law and justice). From my view, he didn't break any law (including manslaughter) but I also believe he should be held responsible for his poor actions and the justice system failed to do that because the laws didn't allow it.

This is why we also have a civil law system, for cases that dont meet criminal standards but there is negligence.

[Sinfix_15]

being profiled from the perspective of a black male, you would never understand. so me going through whatever i say would never allow you to understand that it has any form of racial prejudice in it.

now like i said in that same post that you quoted, it was also a tragedy, period...and i do legit mean this, if it was a kid that was white, no matter the killer's race, and the killer still got off, i would feel the exact same that i do right now. the guy deserves time, and if the case was presented overall in teh same manner, he would have gotten off on 2nd degree, but i would see manslaughter, with the evidence/cases presented, would still be what the killer should be convicted of.

i'm not going to participate in this race nonsense.

here's one thing that i do believe in, and i've said this to others as well...why are yall rioting/protesting strictly over this case where situations like in chicago where 50 black people are losing their lives in a weekend by the hands of other blacks. IMHO it is ignorant to protest over this case. at the end of the day, he wasnt found guilty...same state that found casey anthony innocent.

As a black male you should be "happy" that in the face of doubt the justice system sides towards innocence. If you honestly feel that black people are treated with an unfair bias when it comes to criminal justice, then this case should bring you some level of peace in knowing that someone cant be convicted based on theories with a lack of evidence. Statistically, more black people are acquitted on the grounds of self defense than white people. This isnt a black and white thing, it never was......

If you think "going with your gut feeling" is how the legal system should work.... i'd imagine that isnt going to work out in favor of minorities. You, as a black man, should support anything in society that gives power to the people, even in a circumstance where you dont think everything played out as it should. The hard reality is that both Zimmerman and Trayvon controlled the outcomes of their own lives that night. They both made poor decisions and one of them lost their life because of it. The lesson to be learned in this case is that more often than not, the evidence in a matter of self defense will most often come from the person who survives the altercation. So educate yourself, your kids, brothers, sisters, ect on how to not make the same mistakes that both of these individuals made. Whether you side with Trayvon or Zimmerman, there is a lesson to be taken away from it.

[bu villain]

This is why we also have a civil law system, for cases that dont meet criminal standards but there is negligence.

Yes but as of today, Trayvon has paid a high price for his poor decisions that night but Zimmerman has not been held accountable for his poor decisions that night. That is why people are upset.

[Sinfix_15]

Yes but as of today, Trayvon has paid a high price for his poor decisions that night but Zimmerman has not been held accountable for his poor decisions that night. That is why people are upset.

Zimmerman's poor decisions would not have resulted in anyone's harm or death if not for Trayvon's poor decision to resort to violence.

[bu villain]

Zimmerman's poor decisions would not have resulted in anyone's harm or death if not for Trayvon's poor decision to resort to violence.

And Trayvon wouldn't have made that poor decision to resort to violence if Zimmerman hadn't made his poor decisions. Both people's bad decisions played roles in what happened. They both share part of the blame.

[Vteckidd]

Why did GZ treat TM as a suspicious character? A- Because his neighborhood was being victimized by criminals. Because he was walking in the rain leisurely and looking into houses. This question was already answered. Why do people refuse to accept GZ's answer? they just going to keep asking the same question till they get the response they want? "because he was black"

I know the answer, but, do you think he could have handled the situation better? IMO YES.

Basically you are saying if you ever got jumped by a black person, you have the right to treat EVERY black person as "suspicious" till the end of time. Lets be honest, profiling is a dirty word, but it exists for a reason. Ive mentioned my basketball scenario 100 times. I get profiled when i step onto a basketball court all the time.

Matter of fact yesterday, kid liked my shoes and he said to me "dont make me be black bro, dont make me have to steal those". Black kid, prob 20-21, totally joking, but his own admission was a stereotype of his race.

Why did TM "profile" GZ and respond to him with hostility? A- Cultural differences. Educational differences. A different view of the legal system and a lack of faith in it. A culture that glorifies violence and perpetuates an "us vs the world" mentality. A lot of young black kids just simply dont know any better. Theyre not educated with the tools to handle various social situations.

My point was to show that both races do it, doesnt make it wrong , but both could have handled the situation differently

[Vteckidd]

Yes but as of today, Trayvon has paid a high price for his poor decisions that night but Zimmerman has not been held accountable for his poor decisions that night. That is why people are upset.

beause like you said, the law protects GZ, the only crime really committed was TM assault. That was what was intiated.

Everything GZ did up until that point , was NOT criminal.

If GZ had NO attack marks, i think hes found guilty, IMO. The fact he could show he was attacked, and TM had no marks, and eyewitness saw TM punching, that is when the law protects GZ.

[Sinfix_15]

And Trayvon wouldn't have made that poor decision to resort to violence if Zimmerman hadn't made his poor decisions. Both people's bad decisions played roles in what happened. They both share part of the blame.

I guess you're right. Every time a cracker gets out of line, black people should continue resorting to violence. This tried and true method has advanced the black community to far in society.

[BanginJimmy]

Yes but as of today, Trayvon has paid a high price for his poor decisions that night but Zimmerman has not been held accountable for his poor decisions that night. That is why people are upset.

As of today you are correct. Martins parents haven't has time to file their lawsuit. What happens if their lawsuit is thrown out though? Basic common sense tells me its going to be hard to prove wrongful death in a case where self defense has already been affirmed by a jury.

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[Sinfix_15]

I know the answer, but, do you think he could have handled the situation better? IMO YES.

Basically you are saying if you ever got jumped by a black person, you have the right to treat EVERY black person as "suspicious" till the end of time. Lets be honest, profiling is a dirty word, but it exists for a reason. Ive mentioned my basketball scenario 100 times. I get profiled when i step onto a basketball court all the time.

Matter of fact yesterday, kid liked my shoes and he said to me "dont make me be black bro, dont make me have to steal those". Black kid, prob 20-21, totally joking, but his own admission was a stereotype of his race.



My point was to show that both races do it, doesnt make it wrong , but both could have handled the situation differently

I dont see a problem with profiling. If you dont like profiling.... do something proactive to change the stereotype. I'm a big white guy covered in tattoos... i could play a stunt double for someone in a biker gang..... yet i'm a law abiding citizen with the record of a boyscout. If a little old lady looks at me like she's nervous or scared.... i smile, say hello and get the door for her. Being profiled doesnt bother me at all...... I dont expect to have the right to fight anyone who has a negative opinion of me, whether their negative opinion is just or not.

I get little tidbits of racial stereotypes all the time. Most of them are harmless and the people involved probably dont even realize theyre doing it. things like this only have the power that you give to them. I personally enjoy the challenge of going against stereotypes. I like walking on to the basketball court looking like a white supremacist and leaving with 5 new black friends.

Personal responsibility is what the world lacks in all phases. Take responsibility for yourself and the actions you decide. Ultimately, Trayvon decided to confront Zimmerman physically. In his mind, the goal was probably teaching some cracker a lesson for disrespecting him. That didnt go as planned and unfortunately he paid the ultimate price for it. With that said, he and he alone is responsible for his life and how it ended.

[hondachik]

I just want my 40 acres and a mule. Thanks.



However I do believe it was racial profiling on GZ part....I think TM should have ran on home instead of confronting GZ. GZ should have stayed in his vehicle like the dispatcher suggested. There were a bunch of "woulda, coulda, shoulda"...but they didn't. Nothing can change anything. I surely hope GZ does enroll in Weight Watchers however because he surely got fat as hell while waiting on this trial. Smh. And I Lol'd that even GZ dad said that if he was his son, he would go in to hiding as well.