Quote Originally Posted by .blank cd View Post
I understand what you're trying to say, and I keep ignoring that part because we've established that welfare is voluntary. It doesn't matter. Lol. Im trying to keep the discussion on track here. Government services are all very voluntary. You have the choice walk into the welfare office just like you have the choice to drive on the highway too. The condition to driving on the road is that you can be subject to a very constitutionally legal Terry stop, and a very legal state by state licensing and registration program. We also already have a very constitutionally legal condition to applying for welfare: You have to make less than X amount of $$$

If the next condition you're proposing is a suspicionless search without probable cause to recieve welfare benefits, then we have a constitutional issue. Just the same as you can't be subject to a suspicionless search as a condition to use a public highway. You can be asked, and you can say yes if you want, or you can say no. Refusing a suspicionless search does not disqualify you from driving on the highway.

When you're being stopped on the highway by a cop or a DHS officer, you are not automatically detained. It's part of the perfectly legal terry stop process.

And we already understand welfare is federal money given to states. That's why states are trying to implement the program and the program gets stopped in its tracks by the Supreme Court, once it gets challenged.
Are these two scenarios the same?

A: A person knocks on my door, asks me for help, i say let me check you for weapons before i allow you in.
B: i walk up to a person on the street and ask to check them for weapons.