Defend your right to own a car.

[BanginJimmy]

Then why are they trying? them trying is enough to annoy me. Is our president evil or stupid? either way, not happy.

Who says they are trying? Like every other bill or treaty ever written, it has some good parts if you can believe the articles I have read about it. In fact, I am all for some of the international sales provisions written into the treaty. Technically speaking, it is perfectly legal for Colt arms to develop a new automatic rifle and sell it to Somalis. Would they do it? Most likely no, but it is possible for them to do it. Under this treaty, it is possible to severely limit Colt's ability to move money around by limiting, or even cutting off, their access to the global banking system.

[Echonova]

Good God does it ever end here? LOL

Neither one of you will EVER convince the other to switch sides or share all the same opinions.

Since you don't believe in God...











































Ima say no.

[Echonova]

[Echonova]

[Elbow]

Since you don't believe in God...











































Ima say no.

Uhhh who said I don't believe in God? lol

[Echonova]

Uhhh who said I don't believe in God? lol

Pretty sure you did.



So I'll let you sift through your posts and pull up the ones that prove me wrong.

[Elbow]

Pretty sure you did.



So I'll let you sift threw your posts and pull up the ones that prove me wrong.

Never came out of my mouth. (Or keyboard)

I'm not reviewing posts. lol

[Sinfix_15]

Good God does it ever end here? LOL

Neither one of you will EVER convince the other to switch sides or share all the same opinions.

I dont want him to switch sides..... I'll be happy with him admitting he is a moron.

[Sinfix_15]

Who says they are trying? Like every other bill or treaty ever written, it has some good parts if you can believe the articles I have read about it. In fact, I am all for some of the international sales provisions written into the treaty. Technically speaking, it is perfectly legal for Colt arms to develop a new automatic rifle and sell it to Somalis. Would they do it? Most likely no, but it is possible for them to do it. Under this treaty, it is possible to severely limit Colt's ability to move money around by limiting, or even cutting off, their access to the global banking system.

The united states will soon be the only country on the planet we live on that allows it's citizens to legally own guns. Tell me how this treaty benefits america? Tell me one thing that is good for america or our citizens.....


Why says theyre trying?
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...ade-treaty.htm
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ker...3/15/id/494933
https://www.ijreview.com/2013/03/434...n-arms-treaty/

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I dont want him to switch sides..... I'll be happy with him admitting he is a moron.

Fair enough. Since you seem to think you have a handle on the knowledge department, I'm gonna give you a set of win conditions. If any one of these are met, I will personally admit I am a moron, with an accompanying YouTube video so its documented.

The deadline is 11:59pm Tuesday, November 8th, 2016.

- National debt raises to $30T, with more than 60% owed to foreign creditors

- Budget deficit raises to more than $10T

- Unemployment rate raises to 20%

- A assault weapon eradication bill passes the senate and the house which allows the military to collect any and all assault style weapons from individual owners

- OR Obama makes said initiative an Executive order.

- World War 3 begins and ends with an unequivocal US defeat.

Remember, any one of these has to happen. Just one. You've got 3 years. Hope you have faith in your claims. Good luck.

[Sinfix_15]

Fair enough. Since you seem to think you have a handle on the knowledge department, I'm gonna give you a set of win conditions. If any one of these are met, I will personally admit I am a moron, with an accompanying YouTube video so its documented.

The deadline is 11:59pm Tuesday, November 8th, 2016.

- National debt raises to $30T, with more than 60% owed to foreign creditors

- Budget deficit raises to more than $10T

- Unemployment rate raises to 20%

- A assault weapon eradication bill passes the senate and the house which allows the military to collect any and all assault style weapons from individual owners

- OR Obama makes said initiative an Executive order.

- World War 3 begins and ends with an unequivocal US defeat.

Remember, any one of these has to happen. Just one. You've got 3 years. Hope you have faith in your claims. Good luck.

The amount of wiggle room you gave yourself should be considered an admission of guilt.

But..... i admire you for finally defining the perimeters of your Obama support.....

In the spirit of giving, i will do the same.............


I will finally admit i was wrong about global warming and completely boycott the use of gasoline if......

The average temperature in Alaska reaches 97 degrees in the middle of winter.
If Georgia temperatures are so hot that tires burst into flames in direct sunlight.
If New Jersey temperatures are so hot that tanning beds go out of business.
If the temperatures reach a point to where birds just start falling out of the sky already BBQ'd

[Elbow]

Wouldn't global warming cause colder winters and hotter summers versus just overall more heat?

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Wouldn't global warming cause colder winters and hotter summers versus just overall more heat?

I dont think he understands what global warming is. LOL

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The amount of wiggle room you gave yourself should be considered an admission of guilt.

But..... i admire you for finally defining the perimeters of your Obama support.....

In the spirit of giving, i will do the same.............


I will finally admit i was wrong about global warming and completely boycott the use of gasoline if......

The average temperature in Alaska reaches 97 degrees in the middle of winter.
If Georgia temperatures are so hot that tires burst into flames in direct sunlight.
If New Jersey temperatures are so hot that tanning beds go out of business.
If the temperatures reach a point to where birds just start falling out of the sky already BBQ'd

Wiggle room? But you said he was the shittiest president in the history of US presidency, so one of those is bound to happen right?

You dont have to admit you were wrong about global warming. So lets try to stay on topic.

[Sinfix_15]

Wiggle room? But you said he was the shittiest president in the history of US presidency, so one of those is bound to happen right?

You dont have to admit you were wrong about global warming. So lets try to stay on topic.

So let me get this straight.....

Prior to Obama, no president came anywhere remotely close to a 1T deficit...... but for you to admit Obama is the worst president ever he has to reach 10T deficits?

[Sinfix_15]

Wouldn't global warming cause colder winters and hotter summers versus just overall more heat?

I really dont give a shit... i think you're missing the point. If either of you took the global warming comment even remotely serious, then you're both morons.

If <insert super extreme ridiculous bullshit here> happens then blank admits Obama sucks

[Sinfix_15]

Obama pledges to halve budget deficit by 2013 | Reuters

Yet here we are talking about Obama keeping it under 10T

[Elbow]

I really dont give a shit... i think you're missing the point. If either of you took the global warming comment even remotely serious, then you're both morons.

If <insert super extreme ridiculous bullshit here> happens then blank admits Obama sucks

[David88vert]

As for deficits, I suggest that everyone goes here: Historical Tables | The White House
and reviews Table 1.1.

[Elbow]

As for deficits, I suggest that everyone goes here: Historical Tables | The White House
and reviews Table 1.1.

What's Outlays?

[David88vert]

What's Outlays?

Money spent - expendatures

[Elbow]

Money spent - expendatures

Oh....LOL

[David88vert]

Here is a little something of interest.

From 1938-2008, starting where the US began Off-Budget spending, and going up through the budget passed just prior to Obama taking office, total deficits sum up to -5.29T

In just 4 years, from 2009-2012, under President Obama, that figure is -5.33T - more than all of the other deficits from 1938-2008 combined.

[Sinfix_15]

Here is a little something of interest.

From 1938-2008, starting where the US began Off-Budget spending, and going up through the budget passed just prior to Obama taking office, total deficits sum up to -5.29T

In just 4 years, from 2009-2012, under President Obama, that figure is -5.33T - more than all of the other deficits from 1938-2008 combined.

But that's not enough of a confirmation for Obama supporters like blank.....

[Sinfix_15]

Blank, Obama sucks and you're a moron for supporting him. Admit it, then we can move on from this and be friends.

[David88vert]

But that's not enough of a confirmation for Obama supporters like blank.....

The President doesn't set the budget - Congress does.

Latest News on budget: http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfren...otal-disaster/

[Elbow]

Blank, Obama sucks and you're a moron for supporting him. Admit it, then we can move on from this and be friends.

I'm not completely against Obama either.

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Here is a little something of interest.

From 1938-2008, starting where the US began Off-Budget spending, and going up through the budget passed just prior to Obama taking office, total deficits sum up to -5.29T

In just 4 years, from 2009-2012, under President Obama, that figure is -5.33T - more than all of the other deficits from 1938-2008 combined.

It might be of interest to you to look at the same chart adjusted for inflation.

[David88vert]

It might be of interest to you to look at the same chart adjusted for inflation.

So, the dollar dropped in value massively from 2008 to 2009?

Those figures are from the WH, and there are more tables there that you can review.
Try Table 1.3

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And all of those charts fall short of what deficits are, aside from being partisan argument fodder

[David88vert]

And all of those charts fall short of what deficits are, aside from being partisan argument fodder

Then you don't know how to read and understand them. The data is accurate, and there is no way that you took the time to review all of them. Your argument is based only on blind faith in the Democratic platform.

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So, the dollar dropped in value massively from 2008 to 2009?

Those figures are from the WH, and there are more tables there that you can review.
Try Table 1.3

I'm not saying the figures are wrong, I'm saying that looking at these figures as a means to paint Obama as some kind of idiot is stupid.

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Then you don't know how to read and understand them. The data is accurate, and there is no way that you took the time to review all of them. Your argument is based only on blind faith in the Democratic platform.

I know how to read them. Better than you do. I assure you.

[Elbow]

I know how to read them. Better than you do. I assure you.

That's kind of a baseless blow to the face.

[David88vert]

I'm not saying the figures are wrong, I'm saying that looking at these figures as a means to paint Obama as some kind of idiot is stupid.

Ok, then I agree on that point - it's deficit numbers, and the President does not set the budget. I was not trying to convey that Obama is stupid. Just presenting the same data that the WH and CBO utilizes in their own assessments.

[David88vert]

I know how to read them. Better than you do. I assure you.

Obviously not - you've made that type of claim before, and have been proven wrong every time.

[David88vert]

That's kind of a baseless blow to the face.

He does that a lot. I present data and facts, he presents his own unsubstantiated opinion as though it was factual. It's just his nature.

[David88vert]

It might be of interest to you to look at the same chart adjusted for inflation.

Here's your numbers from Table 1.3, which is an adjusted table. This table utilizes 2005 dollar values, and only goes back to 1940. It is one of the tables that the CBO utilizes in its analysis of budgets.

1940-2008 (68 years, 11 Presidents) = -9.8T
2009-2012 (4 years, under 1 President on 1 Term) = -4.67T

The CBO estimates that 2009-2016 (Obama, 2 terms) budgets sum to -6.9T, and that is adjusted numbers.

Of course, you should have already known these exact figures, right?

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That's kind of a baseless blow to the face.

Baseless? LOL. He claimed the deficit was larger than so many years combined. From an economist perspective, it's misleading every way you slice it. The same claim has been made by many an ignorant person trying to claim were in some kind of dire straights, but its not the case.

[David88vert]

Baseless? LOL. He claimed the deficit was larger than so many years combined. From an economist perspective, it's misleading every way you slice it. The same claim has been made by many an ignorant person trying to claim were in some kind of dire straights, but its not the case.

I simply showed the data. Nothing more. The numbers don't lie. I never claimed that we were in dire straights either. Again, you spout baseless conjecture.

Nothing I said was false or incorrect:
"From 1938-2008, starting where the US began Off-Budget spending, and going up through the budget passed just prior to Obama taking office, total deficits sum up to -5.29T
In just 4 years, from 2009-2012, under President Obama, that figure is -5.33T - more than all of the other deficits from 1938-2008 combined."

Once again, you jump to conclusions and try to place your opinion as fact on other people.

You are not an economist, anymore than you are a scientist.