Defend your right to own a car.

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So the first couple articles are from obviously fringe groups (who don't like Obama by the way).

Did you even read the portland radicle one because it is not pro Chris Dorner. It states "but unfortunately Dorner, and his alleged actions, aren’t the answer" and "Chris Dorner is no solution. He’s symptomatic of the problem".

The fourth article's evidence is Facebook pages: “I Support Christopher Jordan Dorner” (over 7,700 “likes”), and “LAPD Cop Killer Christopher Dorner is A HERO” (over 300 “likes”). A whopping 8000/300,000,000 = .000025% of the population assuming all the likes are from Americans. They also talk about how some lefties didn't tweet enough about his anti-gun stance or pro Mia Farrow stance. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of murder.

Unfortunately I can't read the "black superman" one so I will reserve judgement on that one.

Can you present some official statements from the NAACP or a mainstream black group supporting his murders? Random blog posts from no name people in no name blogs isn't sufficient evidence for mainstream acceptance of their ideas.

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If you can group them into one page of an article, it accounts for a handful of tweets among the millions of tweets every day.

What makes the comments in the first link "liberal"?

well for one.... many of the people identify themselves as liberals. On twitter, democrats look like Nazis.... they all tag their photos with propaganda and have catch phrases like "unite blue"

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Do your arms hurt from all that stretching? Lol.

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Do your arms hurt from all that stretching? Lol.

you must not use twitter either

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well for one.... many of the people identify themselves as liberals. On twitter, democrats look like Nazis.... they all tag their photos with propaganda and have catch phrases like "unite blue"

You mean catch phrases and propaganda like this?



Or like this?



Or like this?

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Back to the topic of the thread....

"Chicago is the blueprint for gun laws in america" - Barrack Obama

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you must not use twitter either

I'm very familiar with twitter. I also understand that the tweets I come across represent a infinitesimal fraction of all tweets combined.

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You mean catch phrases and propaganda like this?



Or like this?



Or like this?

Dont forget....

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I'm very familiar with twitter. I also understand that the tweets I come across represent a infinitesimal fraction of all tweets combined.

Well, if you're aware of twitter liberals openly labeling their cover photos, then why would you ask "how did they know they were liberals"

perhaps..... because their pages said " IM A GODDAMN LIBERAL "

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Well, if you're aware of twitter liberals openly labeling their cover photos, then why would you ask "how did they know they were liberals"

perhaps..... because their pages said " IM A GODDAMN LIBERAL "

Lol. Just be cause they have a couple Ds on their cover photos doesn't make them liberal. Your argument is flimsy.

Let me clarify. What makes a comment like what you saw on that link "liberal"?

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Ok you have presented your evidence. To me it is far too weak to conclude that there is any sort of mainstream (black groups or otherwise) support for Chris Dorner or any other black murderers. I'll let everyone else make up their own minds.

Back to the topic of the thread....

"Chicago is the blueprint for gun laws in america" - Barrack Obama

Correlation is not causation. Have you considered maybe the large number of murders came first and that the harsh gun laws were a response to that? Chicago has a gang/violent crime problem no doubt and gun laws will not solve the root of the problem either way.

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Ok you have presented your evidence. To me it is far too weak to conclude that there is any sort of mainstream (black groups or otherwise) support for Chris Dorner or any other black murderers. I'll let everyone else make up their own minds.



Correlation is not causation. Have you considered maybe the large number of murders came first and that the harsh gun laws were a response to that? Chicago has a gang/violent crime problem no doubt and gun laws will not solve the root of the problem either way.

Yeah...... maybe......

but dont you find it odd that all of these "problem cities" seem to look the same way? dense population of minorities...... overwhelmingly democratic..... nanny states....

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Yeah...... maybe......

but dont you find it odd that all of these "problem cities" seem to look the same way? dense population of minorities...... overwhelmingly democratic..... nanny states....

No, because just about every major city has "dense population of minorities...... overwhelmingly democratic..... nanny states...." It's not unique to "problem cities"

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No, because just about every major city has "dense population of minorities...... overwhelmingly democratic..... nanny states...." It's not unique to "problem cities"

I admire your ability to see the rainbow when it's raining piss.

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Yeah...... maybe......

but dont you find it odd that all of these "problem cities" seem to look the same way? dense population of minorities...... overwhelmingly democratic..... nanny states....

Violent crime in Chicago has been on the decline since the late 70s. So is it possible that democratic leadership and gun control measures are working?

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I admire your ability to see the rainbow when it's raining piss.

Rainbows? I didn't say anything about things being good or bad, I'm just stating facts. I haven't provided any moral judgements. I'm not surprised when you group a bunch of people into a relatively small area that you will have more conflict/crime. You want me to blame it on the race of the inhabitants or the way they vote but I just don't see the evidence. I agree there is a correlation but I don't see the evidence for causation. Remember back in the 70's and 80's when crime was so bad in New York. Now it is a lot better and it's certainly not because there are so many less minorities or that the city is more republican. How does that fit into your theory?

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Violent crime in Chicago has been on the decline since the late 70s. So is it possible that democratic leadership and gun control measures are working?

The crime rate in the entire country is declining............................ and has done so consistently for the last 20-30 years..... just so happens its going a lot slower in the cities with democratic leadership and gun control measures.

Classic example of a liberal democrat viewing statistics with his lefty goggles on.

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Rainbows? I didn't say anything about things being good or bad, I'm just stating facts. I haven't provided any moral judgements. I'm not surprised when you group a bunch of people into a relatively small area that you will have more conflict/crime. You want me to blame it on the race of the inhabitants or the way they vote but I just don't see the evidence. I agree there is a correlation but I don't see the evidence for causation. Remember back in the 70's and 80's when crime was so bad in New York. Now it is a lot better and it's certainly not because there are so many less minorities or that the city is more republican. How does that fit into your theory?

So in your best guestimation, explain why blacks have such an impact on the crime rate or why they overwhelmingly vote democratic.

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The crime rate in the entire country is declining............................ and has done so consistently for the last 20-30 years..... just so happens its going a lot slower in the cities with democratic leadership and gun control measures.

Source?

Classic example of a liberal democrat viewing statistics with his lefty goggles on.

You're only hurting yourself with comments like that. Lol.

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Source?

You're only hurting yourself with comments like that. Lol.

What fact are you disputing?

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What fact are you disputing?

The part in bold. Cite your source.

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The part in bold. Cite your source.

So you are disputing that the overall crime rate in the united states is on decline?

and you are also disputing that democratic cities are still at the top of crime statistics?


is this correct?

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So you are disputing that the overall crime rate in the united states is on decline?

and you are also disputing that democratic cities are still at the top of crime statistics?


is this correct?

You said the cities with democratic leadership and new measures of gun control are seeing a slower decline in violent crime than cities without. Site your source for your claim.

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You said the cities with democratic leadership and new measures of gun control are seeing a slower decline in violent crime than cities without. Site your source for your claim.

I give up. Chicago is the blueprint for america.... we should make the rest of america that currently has lower crime rates than chicago adhere to chicago policies. Father government has spoken.

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I give up. Chicago is the blueprint for america.... we should make the rest of america that currently has lower crime rates than chicago adhere to chicago policies. Father government has spoken.

Who in this thread said Chicago was a blueprint for American crime policy?

Based on the fact that crime has been on the decline in Chicago since gun control has been implemented, do you think that would translate well to another city with a high crime rate? What about a city with an already low crime rate? Do you think it's fair, knowing this fact, to compare Chicago to other cities?

It would seem, to me, that saying "Chicago has gun control and it has the most number of homicides in the nation per capita" simply overlooks the fact that crime is on the decline there. It seems more to me that people who would use such an argument are trying to appeal to your emotions, rather that present to you factual information. Does it not feel bad being taken for a fool in this instance?

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Who in this thread said Chicago was a blueprint for American crime policy?

Based on the fact that crime has been on the decline in Chicago since gun control has been implemented, do you think that would translate well to another city with a high crime rate? What about a city with an already low crime rate? Do you think it's fair, knowing this fact, to compare Chicago to other cities?

It would seem, to me, that saying "Chicago has gun control and it has the most number of homicides in the nation per capita" simply overlooks the fact that crime is on the decline there. It seems more to me that people who would use such an argument are trying to appeal to your emotions, rather that present to you factual information. Does it not feel bad being taken for a fool in this instance?

whoever said chicago is the blueprint for america raise your hand.....












Thank you for pointing out that our president is a fool. That's the point i've been trying to get across from the beginning. Sheeshh.....

well, now that we're over that hurdle..... how bout them braves?

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Thank you for pointing out that our president is a fool. That's the point i've been trying to get across from the beginning. Sheeshh.....

well, now that we're over that hurdle..... how bout them braves?

I haven't pointed out that the president is a fool at all. What I meant to say was no one has said we should take methods from Chicago and apply them everywhere else, letter for letter. A blueprint is more like a baseline with room for adjustment.

When I said taken for a fool, I meant you for taking only small pieces of information about a subject and coming to a conclusion about it, without first knowing ALL the information.

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Study Morton Grove and Kennesaw. They were the original poster boy towns for both arguments. Study their major cities close to them as well over the same period of time.

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Study Morton Grove and Kennesaw. They were the original poster boy towns for both arguments. Study their major cities close to them as well over the same period of time.

There are other contributing factors to the drop in violent crime in Kennesaw, as with anywhere that implements gun control laws. This is the point I'm trying to make. Correlation is not causation.

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I haven't pointed out that the president is a fool at all. What I meant to say was no one has said we should take methods from Chicago and apply them everywhere else, letter for letter. A blueprint is more like a baseline with room for adjustment.

When I said taken for a fool, I meant you for taking only small pieces of information about a subject and coming to a conclusion about it, without first knowing ALL the information.

Sure you did....

through all the fussing back and forth, i'm happy to see that we are accomplishing progress.

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There are other contributing factors to the drop in violent crime in Kennesaw, as with anywhere that implements gun control laws. This is the point I'm trying to make. Correlation is not causation.

And Morton Grove did not go out of control either.
So, since gun control on legal citizens is not the cause of crime statistcs, then why should we implement stricter gun control measures?
Give me concrete measureable statistics that we can say that these measures improve safety substantially and the costs and risks of both doing them and not doing them.
No one has done that yet. They only plead to emotions and not to reason and logic.
Without solid metrics, there is no way to say that these new stricter laws will have a measureable effect. Therefore, they are not ready to be implemented.

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And Morton Grove did not go out of control either.
So, since gun control on legal citizens is not the cause of crime statistcs, then why should we implement stricter gun control measures?
Give me concrete measureable statistics that we can say that these measures improve safety substantially and the costs and risks of both doing them and not doing them.
No one has done that yet. They only plead to emotions and not to reason and logic.
Without solid metrics, there is no way to say that these new stricter laws will have a measureable effect. Therefore, they are not ready to be implemented.

Solid metrics like a supply/demand curve?

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Solid metrics like a supply/demand curve?

No. Measurements that actually show that a restriction imposed on law abiding citizens will reduce crime. Is that plain enough for you to understand?

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Ok. So only solid metrics you approve of. Lol.

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Ok. So only solid metrics you approve of. Lol.

There you go again, making stupid statements.
I perfer that legislation be based upon facts, you seem to prefer to base it on emotion.

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There you go again, making stupid statements.
I perfer that legislation be based upon facts, you seem to prefer to base it on emotion.

I didnt say anything about emotion.

You said you like legislation that's based on facts. But only facts that you approve of.

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I didnt say anything about emotion.

You said you like legislation that's based on facts. But only facts that you approve of.

Is it too much to ask for solid facts? No one has produced any that show exactly what can be a measureable reduction in criminal activity if this legislation is passed. Show me measurable results where it has worked before and how you extrapolate that to a national scale.
As you said, correlation is not causation.

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What would be a solid fact that you would accept?

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Gun Control Bill Clears First Hurdle in Senate - ABC News