Yea, just like I'm forcing a woman to engage in behavior that she knows leads to unwanted pregnancy.Originally Posted by TIGERJC
wtf, Forcing a women to give birth. Wtf are you serious?
As the old saying goes. You do the crime you do the time
For the more dense of you I am not saying premarital sex is a crime.
its not the childs fault that is being murdered that he/she was created through an act of violence but this is the only case I feel abortion should be allowed.
I don't think the government or anyone has the right to tell women they can or can not. It should be up to the woman. She has to live with decision for rest of time.
So what about the father? Why does he not have any say in the matter? The baby is every bit as much his as it is the mother's.
just do the safe haven thing or put it up for adoption. its still an innocent child no matter how it got here. I know the mom doesnt want a constant reminder. but at least give that kid a chance to live.
but that should be a matter of choice. not law.
I would ask my daughter what she'd want to do. The whole situation is going to affect her more than anyone. So I would tell her the pro & cons and facts and fictions of all alternatives. Then I'd give her some time alone to make that decision. But I'd kind of hint heavily to her that to take a life is wrong. And that the baby would be best if put up for adoption if she wasn't ready for the situation.
I voted yes it would be okay to abort because thats the only situation that I see it would be okay because the female didn't choose to take that sexual risk.
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agreed
The bottom line is, women CHOOSE who they want to have a kid by. The "100% I WOULD NOT HAVE AN ABORTION" women are scared to take my "test" and imagine getting prego by every man they have been with sexually... b/c they KNOW there are some on the list that they would simply NOT have a baby by.
I think most women do what is CONVENIENT for them based on emotions... but try to get all righteous when the subject is brought up. The sad fact is that there are "booty-call babies" out there... and "I could never abort" IN MY OPINION is a sorry excuse to have a whole new life brought into this world under those pretenses. So you keep the kid and make the decision that easiest for YOU to live with -- but you forget the KID has to live w/ your decision too.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Or "not live" as well. Later, QD.
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Biologically speaking, the woman has to endure the health risks and responsibilities of pregnancy/labor. The man bears none of these risks or responsibilities after the fetus is concieved. So the decision to carry the baby to term ultimately belongs to the mother, as its her body.
DEFINITELY NOT. IMHO AND APPRECIATION FOR LIFE AND CHILDREN, I COMPLETELY CONDEMN ABORTION, NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON OF BECOMING PREGNANT, GRANTED RAPE IS NOT RIGHT IN ANY FORM, BUT ALL AT THE SAME TIME, IT STILL A HUMAN LIFE THAT DOESNT DESERVE THE RIGHT TO BE MURDERED JUST BECAUSE OF AN UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCE. JUST BECAUSE THAT CHILD'S FATHER/MOTHER WAS A RAPIST, DOESNT MEAN THAT THEY WILL GROW UP TO BE A RAPIST. IT MAYBE HARD AT TIMES FOR THE PARENT TO LIVE WITH TEH FACT THAT THE CHILD IS A 'RAPE CHILD', BUT, I FIGURE ALL OF THAT WILL GO OUT OF THE DOOR ONCE THE PARENT SEES THE CHILD. OR EVEN PUSH COMES THE SHOVE, IF YOU DONT FEEL THE NEED TO KEEP THE CHILD, GIVE THE CHILD UP FOR ADOPTION, I MEAN I SERIOUSLY CAN NOT SEE ABORTION BEING OK IN ANY INSTANCE...EVER
My dad is a piece of shit. Also - my parents were not as fortunate to have the career that I do. No, I didn't hurt for anything that I needed - but there were a few days where the lights weren't on if my memory serves me correctly. Having me did my mom NO favors - and me being 30 years old, meeting my dad when I was 9 and having the knowledge that he is a POS is not something I care to know. If I was aborted then I'd be none the wiser. In addition to that, aborting me could have made for a much easier life for my mom as well.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
You're luckier (if you can say that) than I was. I've never even seen a pic of mine. I remember applauding right in front of my Mom the the second she told me he had died. I was about 14 at that time. Later, QD.
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Aside from the caps, you've finnlly posted something worth really responding to.
I can respect your opinion on this. It really is a fine line. The one thing I can see, though, is that rape is quite a traumatizing event. It takes years to get over in some cases. But to have the added strain of knowing you're carrying the child of the rapist could make that traumatic event even more unstable. it can be psychologically intoxicating as well as physically detrimental. Carrying that child could really fuck with her head and cause her to cause harm to herself if she got really "crazy" enough. Or what if she wasn't able to sustain a child in the womb? She would be fucked for life even more if she were to have to carry that child and something life-threatening were to happen during the course of pregnancy or delivery that would have been avoided had she just gotten the abortion done?
It's all a very fine, thin line to walk on this matter. Later, QD.
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I can see both sides to this, and it is a fine line. I strongly believe that abortion should never be used as a form of birth control. However, there are 3 instances where I can condone abortion.
Instance 1 - RAPE, yes I agree it is not the childs fault, but MOST of the time, its not the mothers fault either. If it is a true rape, then yes abortion should be allowed. I agree with everything QD said regarding this.
Instance 2 - Incest - whether or not its consensual, this is an instance where it would cause a seriously messed up kid.
Instance 3 - The life of the mother is jeopardized. If the mother will die giving birth to this child, then I feel it is OK.
There are very few instances where it is OK, and those 3 are it. IMO.
However, something that I see as a problem is that people tend to use abortion as a form of birth control.
Ditto, man. Later, QD.
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I consider myself to be Pro-Life, however when it comes to Rape and/or Incest I'm somewhat on the fence. Their have been valid points on both sides.........
Personally: My two boys and their mother would never have been a part of my life if she had not aborted a pregnancy as a result from being raped at the age of 14. I grew up in a home with POS Stepfathers and I would never allow myself to be in a serious relationship with a woman that has kids. I would never want to be that guy or even have the opportunity to be seen as that by a kid who misses their father, regardless of circumstances.
No disrespect to you or you mother, but she had another option. There is a constant shortage of healthy newborns available for adoption in this country. Your mother had that optional there for her and she chose not to use it. At that point, she chose to deal with the hardships of being a single mother.My dad is a piece of shit. Also - my parents were not as fortunate to have the career that I do. No, I didn't hurt for anything that I needed - but there were a few days where the lights weren't on if my memory serves me correctly. Having me did my mom NO favors - and me being 30 years old, meeting my dad when I was 9 and having the knowledge that he is a POS is not something I care to know. If I was aborted then I'd be none the wiser. In addition to that, aborting me could have made for a much easier life for my mom as well.
Choice is a very powerful thing and I believe we take too much advantage of it in this country. Too often we want to choose to do something that is potentially harmful, yet we dont want to deal with the consequences. I feel that this discussion highlights that more than any other situation. We all know where babies come from. With that knowledge, if you still choose to have sex, then you shouldnt have the choice to just get a mulligan and act like it didnt happen. You should be forced to deal with the consequences. Whether that be raising a child, or putting it up for adoption is your choice.
^^ Real easy to say that. Have you looked at the data for kids that are never adopted? Shuffled from home to home and never having a real family? There is no room for "well tough shit - deal with it" AFTER the fact. Again, the kids are the real losers in situations where you say "oh well - deal with it". Ask those kids if they enjoy their life. It's people that say "well adopt" that have never considered adopting kids - they just run off and have their own kids. I'd bet that not a person in this thread (who can have kids outright on their own) who is yelling "adopt" has applied to adopted kids.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
This is why I mention healthy newborns. There is a shortage of those. I believe the cutoff is at about age 2, then the numbers that you described compound dramatically at every age.
I have no personally tried to adopt, but my brother in laws ex-wife's parents have adopted 3 kids instead of having their own. It can be very expensive, and time consuming to do. IMO, if you arent willing to suffer the time and expense to adopt, you probably arent going to make a very good home to that adopted child.
If you've actually passed on that opportunity, then you've missed out on a lot. There is almost no greater joy then to take a child that was left by their biological parent and teaching and raising that child as your own and showing that child that he/she can have a life. The level of commitment to take on another person's child is great and so are the rewards. Later, QD.
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I don't give 2 fucks what the majority of America feels. I'm sick and tired of the Government mandating what you can and can't do with your own body. Thats what it comes down to. The government should have no say in whether you can/can't abort your child, though I do understand a need for limitations in the abortion. Anything beyond the 1st trimester is far too long into the pregnancy to be considering an abortion.you guys are WACK
She was asked if her DAUGHTER was RAPED what would she choose and she said "I would choose LIFE" BTW that is over 50% of AMERICA that is PRO LIFE so this is NOT back woods thinking.
This is what the MAJORITY OF AMERICA FEELS.
FURTHERMORE the CANDIDATE WITH THE MINORITY VIEW ON ABORTION IS OBAMA
I mean PALIN is in line with over 54% of the AMERICAN POPULATION dems and republicans.
Even more on her views
So yeah she PERSONALLY would choose LIFE in her household which is what she said, so what , who are you to tell a family what they can and cannot do?
Oh i forgot the Dems want to be able to have the govt decide everything for you
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