What does it take for an EF to run 13s

[Vteckidd]

Im having a conversation via PM with Halfwit. I just though id get everyone else opinion.

Assume you have a 90 CRX SI, curb weight is about 2200lbs. Its stock, nothing done to it, you have a $5000 budget, what would it take to make it run mid 13s with whatever combo you want, and it must be RELIABLE.

All Motor sets must be from HMOTORSONLINE.COM with their pricing. So dont say you can buy a GSR swap for $1500.

Here were my Top 3 reccomendations since i have to factor in labor as well.

1) B16 Swap from Hmotorsonline.com $1499
Avid racing motor mount kit $230
shift linkage $75
labor $735
axles $100
$2800ish

2) GSR swap from Hmotorsonline.com $3100
Hasport Hydro mount kit $390
OBD0-OBD1 conversion harness $100
Labor $735
Shift Linkage $75
$4400ish

3) D15B VTEC engine 130hp $450
CRX SI tranny $150
Clutch Stage2 $300
MSPi Turbo Kit $3500 installed
OBD1 ECU an conversion harness $280
$4900ish

his best bet is the GSR swap, its the best platform to build on. the FASTEST would be the D15 turbo, however, its a SOHC, and its a stock motor, so ..... but the good thing is if you blow it up, you can find another SOHC for CHEAP ($100 or so). you blow a GSR or B16 up its ALOT MORE EXPENSIVE.

The B16 is the easiest an cost effective, however it wont run 13s, an they dont like boost at all. they have weak ringlands and pop consistently.

I think the best bet is the GSR swap, with a simple wet kit, however, he would have to get it tuned which is more $$.

If you have any other input please share

[Nopaintsls]

Im having a conversation via PM with Halfwit. I just though id get everyone else opinion.

Assume you have a 90 CRX SI, curb weight is about 2200lbs. Its stock, nothing done to it, you have a $5000 budget, what would it take to make it run mid 13s with whatever combo you want, and it must be RELIABLE.

All Motor sets must be from HMOTORSONLINE.COM with their pricing. So dont say you can buy a GSR swap for $1500.

There's still ppl out there that can get it for that low.... fags...

[Vteckidd]

reason i say that is because im a SHOP. i cant sell someone a 3rd party motor that isnt backed by a warranty or have papers. I have to be able to back the product i supply.

[Nopaintsls]

reason i say that is because im a SHOP. i cant sell someone a 3rd party motor that isnt backed by a warranty or have papers. I have to be able to back the product i supply.

Your right, I was just sayin...

[IntegraXTR]

why not just sohc vtec boost? thats under 5k. But if it wasn't for the third party thing, I say you could def break easy 13s with a 5k budget, and I can get a b18c1 longblock for around 1500. But since it has to have papers and such, I say single cam turbo.

[fight club]

if i wasnt using hmmotorsports and could use forums

k20a3 full swap- 1000
crower stage 2 n/a cams- 380
crower valves n springs- 380
toda itb setup- 1000
full race header, straight exhaust- 800
engine mounts- 250
stripped interior- free.99
lightweight race seat- 200
rotas (something with low rotational mass)- 300
tires- 200
used kpro- 300
75 shot- 150
im around 5k, dont know what it would run tho? it would rev to 8k tho

[Vteckidd]

if i wasnt using hmmotorsports and could use forums

k20a3 full swap- 1000
crower stage 2 n/a cams- 380
crower valves n springs- 380
toda itb setup- 1000
full race header, straight exhaust- 800
engine mounts- 250
stripped interior- free.99
lightweight race seat- 200
rotas (something with low rotational mass)- 300
tires- 200
used kpro- 300
75 shot- 150
im around 5k, dont know what it would run tho? it would rev to 8k tho

WOW, your WAY OFF. try:

k20a3 full swap- 1500
crower stage 2 n/a cams- 380
crower valves n springs- 380
toda itb setup- 2000
full race header, straight exhaust- 800
engine mounts- 550
stripped interior- free.99
lightweight race seat- 200
rotas (something with low rotational mass)- 300
tires- 200
used kpro- 900
75 shot- 350


i was doing a K series in my CRX, i priced it all out, for a TYPE-S its still $8000 WITH ME DOING THE LABOR. SHow me where you can buy Toda ITBs for $1000, KPRO for $300, nad mounts for $250 an ill buy them today, cause ill make MAD PROFIT on them.

a K20A3 with what you have listed, MAY make 180whp, and the Kblock only rev to 6500, you can push it to 8000, but they spit rods out the block at that high of an RPM. If you want to rev to 8000, do a b16, they can handle 9500 as long as you have the valvetrain

K series is OUT OF THE QUESTION, you cannot do it for $5000, no way. an your missing ALOT of stuff to make the K work in an EF. my estimate is more accurate, then add $1000 for misc stuff like FPR, fuel lines, GE fuel rail, and more. an its a VERY complicated swap which requires an halfcore radiator, cahssis welding, its not a bolt in swap by any means.

Krucial, look at option 3 i posted, it was SOHC VTEC boost Even a GSR longblock for $1500 doesnt give him a Trans, (cable $300, hydro $600-700), mounts, axles, ecu, shift linkage, etc.

[fight club]

well, my mistake then LOL i was just goin by prices i saw on k20a.org. ill check for ya and see if they r still that cheap lol.

[Vteckidd]

im on K20A.org all the time. The CHEAPEST i found a used KPRO WITH ecu was $1050 shipped. if he has an ECU already, the cheapest i found was $850.

My hasport mounts were $550 with a hookup. Toda ITBS are BIG money , especially for Ks, TWMs are cheaper, skunk2 has a set for $1500

[fight club]

k , im not tryin to argue lol. you do this for a living, i just fuck around. yea i was again not looking at prices, just what i could remember/think i remembered. i saw some twm's going for 1200. lol

[speedminded]

k , im not tryin to argue lol. you do this for a living, i just fuck around. yea i was again not looking at prices, just what i could remember/think i remembered. i saw some twm's going for 1200. lol

You can get just about anything at whatever price you're willing to pay if you have the time to look and watch ALL the forums and websites...i picked up a brand new ITR longblock for $2,600, would need $1,500+ in parts and a B-series transmission, then you'd have an EF in 13's...low 13's on slicks...but that's not the point. A shop has to be able to back there work and parts up to be successful and profitable.

[99SI]

He would need my motor that you're building now. That should get him into the thirteens pretty deep with slicks. But if I were doing the 5k budget without having anything but a stock EF to start with. SOHC turbo would be the way I'd go. Sooooo much torque even with low daily driven boost. If he could find a good D16 vtec(or non v for that matter) and supply it for yall to build it could save a few bucks and although you take your chances on the reliability factor maybe freshen it up a bit with the money saved. For instance, high mileage D16 that still has good compression, runs good, no knocking. New bearings, ARP rod bolts, new pistons, rings, slight bore and crosshatch and deck. Then you have a good as new motor to throw a little boost at.

[99SI]

Although I do agree on some levels as far as getting a GSR and throwing it in, but that eats up pretty much all the budget and will 150-155whp get 2200lbs into the 13's? I am sure on slicks with the correct gearing that it would be right at it but you have to consider that he doesn't have the budget left to buy a set of wheels and slicks to run so I am thinking stock ef with GSR swap(stock) on street tires would probably be right on the 14.0 threshold give or take a tenth. Again, not sure on any of these things, just speculating

[BABY J]

--> 100 - 150 shot wet on refreshed D (preferably the D16Z6 I have wasting away in my garage... LOL)

--> slicks

--> weight reduction

--> full bolt-ons

--> Uber

[IntegraXTR]

He would need my motor that you're building now. That should get him into the thirteens pretty deep with slicks. But if I were doing the 5k budget without having anything but a stock EF to start with. SOHC turbo would be the way I'd go. Sooooo much torque even with low daily driven boost. If he could find a good D16 vtec(or non v for that matter) and supply it for yall to build it could save a few bucks and although you take your chances on the reliability factor maybe freshen it up a bit with the money saved. For instance, high mileage D16 that still has good compression, runs good, no knocking. New bearings, ARP rod bolts, new pistons, rings, slight bore and crosshatch and deck. Then you have a good as new motor to throw a little boost at.

^^ thats what I said, sohc turbo FTW!

[Halfwit]

keep ideas coming guys, but i definatle want a dohc vtec, i have a d16 in my dd and hate it with bolt ons..

dont wnat to spend money on a sohc, reliability issues, only so much it can amount to ect.
ill probably go with gsr, with bolt ons plus few internals plus nitrous, to start out with.

WHAT WOULD A GSR WITH I/E/H CAMS, CAM GEARS, GET ME IN THE 1/4? WITH AND WITHOUT NITROUS?

[speedminded]

keep ideas coming guys, but i definatle want a dohc vtec, i have a d16 in my dd and hate it with bolt ons..

dont wnat to spend money on a sohc, reliability issues, only so much it can amount to ect.
ill probably go with gsr, with bolt ons plus few internals plus nitrous, to start out with.

WHAT WOULD A GSR WITH I/E/H CAMS, CAM GEARS, GET ME IN THE 1/4? WITH AND WITHOUT NITROUS?

*shakes head* quit worrying about 1/4 mile times for one. I've seen a stock H22 in an EF wagon run 13.0 on slicks all night long.

[Halfwit]

*shakes head* quit worrying about 1/4 mile times for one. I've seen a stock H22 in an EF wagon run 13.0 on slicks all night long.

hey thanks for contribution but SOMEONE else seems to believe that h22 is too much trouble. lol j/k
vteckidd
answer the ?

[Vteckidd]

if you doubt the turbo D, come take a ride in scottys d16 NON VTEC, stock motor, turbo kit.

makes 202/206

now go find me a GSR that makes the much power

[Halfwit]

if you doubt the turbo D, come take a ride in scottys d16 NON VTEC, stock motor, turbo kit.

makes 202/206

now go find me a GSR that makes the much power

i would like to take u up on that, but is my car gonna blow up when i drive it hard?

i finally have two cars so i am not up a creek if i break a car so i am gonna red line, nitrous ect.

[BABY J]

keep ideas coming guys, but i definatle want a dohc vtec, i have a d16 in my dd and hate it with bolt ons..

dont wnat to spend money on a sohc, reliability issues, only so much it can amount to ect.
ill probably go with gsr, with bolt ons plus few internals plus nitrous, to start out with.

WHAT WOULD A GSR WITH I/E/H CAMS, CAM GEARS, GET ME IN THE 1/4? WITH AND WITHOUT NITROUS?

Stick w/ the single cam. You can trip over a D series at the grocery store while looking for condoms. Stock for stock (exculding K, dunno much about 'em) they can take more NOS than any other Honda motor. Not to mention it's a non-interference motor, if you break a D you did it on purpose. I sprayed 100 shot wet on my old fully bolted Si for over a year and the motor took it all day.

[Halfwit]

Stick w/ the single cam. You can trip over a D series at the grocery store while looking for condoms. Stock for stock (exculding K, dunno much about 'em) they can take more NOS than any other Honda motor. Not to mention it's a non-interference motor, if you break a D you did it on purpose. I sprayed 100 shot wet on my old fully bolted Si for over a year and the motor took it all day.

oooooh fight! VTECKIDD told me d series = not good for nitrous cause i was gonna do it on my dd ek

[speedminded]

hey thanks for contribution but SOMEONE else seems to believe that h22 is too much trouble. lol j/k
vteckidd
answer the ?

yeah, if you don't do the work yourself it will cost you more in fabrication to shoehorn it in then just buying a b-series.

[BABY J]

^^ this will be the 1st time I call out VTECKIDD. Tell me another motor in the Honda family that can take more spray.... waiting... I am not telling you what I HEARD, I am telling you what I DID! That motor is STILL in my garage, and was running when I took it out of my 92 Si.

[Halfwit]

^^ this will eb te 1st time I call out VTECKIDD. Tell me another motor in the Honda family that can take more spray.... waiting... I am not telling you what I HEARD, I am telling you what I DID!

i talksed to him on aim about a month ago when i got hte ek and wanted spray and he said no good.

[speedminded]

^^ this will eb te 1st time I call out VTECKIDD. Tell me another motor in the Honda family that can take more spray.... waiting... I am not telling you what I HEARD, I am telling you what I DID!

green91 was getting 230hp on his wasn't he...yo where are you chris?

[mumbles]

i thought you guys said reliable. sohc turbo really isn't that reliable.

[BABY J]

You WILL need to refresh the motor before going that big... no1 owned my 92 before me, so I knew the motor was babied (back then I was a mini-trucker so I could care less about the car).

[BABY J]

i thought you guys said reliable. sohc turbo really isn't that reliable.

YOU sir are smoking crack. LOL.

[Halfwit]

You WILL need to refresh the motor before going that big... no1 owned my 92 before me, so I knew the motor was babied (back then I was a mini-trucker so I could care less about the car).

well i cant be swappin insurance back and forth every two weeks when i mess the motor up all the time. need reliability.

[BABY J]

well i cant be swappin insurance back and forth every two weeks when i mess the motor up all the time. need reliability.

A refreshed D can take a hundred shot wet (w/ full bolt-ons) like a CHAMP!!! I DID IT FOR OVER A YEAR!!!!!

[speedminded]

well i cant be swappin insurance back and forth every two weeks when i mess the motor up all the time. need reliability.

save your pennies until you can afford something worthwhile...slowly put stuff together as you find good deals.

[bigdare23]

How about a fully build d16a6 (with ZC pistons) with a y8 head (with the works and milled). ZC tranny (with Si final gear) with lsd, and a lot of weight reduction (jdm bumpers front and rear and nothing in the car). If that don't work throw a small shot on it, and it should get you into the 13's.

[BABY J]

^^ stop talking about your setup!!! LOL. Go away!!!

[mumbles]

YOU sir are smoking crack. LOL.

you tell me one boosted honda owner that can't resist turning the boost up on there little car and next thing you BOOM!!!

[Halfwit]

save your pennies until you can afford something worthwhile...slowly put stuff together as you find good deals.

afford something worth while? wtf thats what we are discussing, are u saying a gsr isnt worhtwhile?

i dont slowly put stuff together.

[BABY J]

you tell me one boosted honda owner that can't resist turning the boost up on there little car and next thing you BOOM!!!

One that has COMMON DAMN SENSE!! I suggest you google an article "CAMDICAPPED" from DSPORT mag. Z6 bottom, Y8 top, 17lbs --> 345WHP @ 17 lbs. UNSLEEVED, and 10PSI daily. I back-ordered this magazine just to get the specs on the build. I can post them if you like.

http://www.dragsport.com/issue/2004/0904_toc.shtml

Please do not post when you do not know what you are talking about.

[bigdare23]

^^ stop talking about your setup!!! LOL. Go away!!!

don't believe him! B-series all the way!

[BABY J]

don't believe him! B-series all the way!

When you get it dialed in, please add "I Got The Idea On This Build From Baby J" sticker on the hood of your car. That's all I ask.

[Halfwit]

wtf answer my ?s about gsr with bolt ons and spray and a few internals.