mini me or a whole y8?

[Vteckidd]

we had a 00 SI that was turbo and he passed emissions no problem

[mp5o]

Props to vteckidd for taking his time to explain all of that... I'm tired of being the only one doing so.

[CiVeK9]

i wanna boost my d16y8 i'll call you up mike

[Vteckidd]

cool , just let me know

[djmaddmartin]

Telling ya what he had done and the price. I don't know what kind of hook ups he's got but the car sure is fast. Been two years now and its still running strong. I don't have his break down but the next time I visit I'll get it. And he did get the swap for $1500. Bought it off this kid who had his gsr t-boned. Had about 60k on the motor A bit more mileage than a JDM would usually come with. But it had been well taken care of. Don't know if I can get you a break down but I'll try next time I visit him. Just wanted to point out for everybody that there are many ways to boost and it can be done outside the box even when others tell you it can't be done and it won't be reliable.
I've learned through many years of people telling me I can't do something that if you are patient and persistent you can do what needs to be done.
P.S. his put together kit also included a performance clutch and flywheel to handle the extra power. I didn't see it on your breakdown. But your kit looks like a killer deal! To bad my civic is a daily beater and all my money is being sunk into my integra's build.

1) Show me a GSR swap for $1500 and ill show you a stolen swap i have bought swaps that cheap out of wrecked cars, but they are few and far between. The cheapest you can find a GSR swap CONSISTENTLY is between $2000-3000. Remember , this guy may not have the connections we have, and if he goes to a shop, they arent going to sell him a gsr swap for $1500.

2) No $1500 turbo kit will make 300whp on a stock GSR. if you build some junk DIY kit, maybe , but i doubt it. the injectors and intake manifold needed to flow 300whp cost $500 alone. The turbo will run $500. break down YOUR B series 300whp turbo kit for me please, cause if you can do it for $1500 im in the wrong business.

D series Turbo Kit $3500
Turbonetics Turbo T3-Super60 1 year warranty-$700
Custom Log manifold (Drag Style) Hold up to 300whp-$250
Turbonetics EVO Wastegate-$200
BOV- GREDDY/HKS with Flange-$230
Front Mount Intercooler (custom) -$225
Down Pipe with Flex-$150 (includes O2)
InterCooler Piping with Couplers-$300
DSM 450CC Injectors-$80
OBD1 ECU with Uberdata $180
Walbro 255 Fuel Pump-$90
Conversion Harness-$80
Labor - $1000

This is right at $3500 and includes fuel management and a setup that is capible of 250whp (300 w/550cc inj). This is a similar setup that we have put on about 6 b-series. on a D series it can make 220whp (VTEC) non VTEC (200whp) easily.

Also, a 300whp stock GSR is not as easy as it seems. A bolt on Drag kit or Rev Hard will only make about 250-275whp. I don't care what people on H-T say, bring it to Atlanta and we will see. You will have to have at least 550cc injectors, and 3in exhaust.

Finally, about the Civic with the NSX motor. This was a FWD drag car that was in a magazine about 3-4 years ago. It was a EK hb that was chop top. D16civic was right.

[Vteckidd]

Telling ya what he had done and the price. I don't know what kind of hook ups he's got but the car sure is fast. Been two years now and its still running strong. I don't have his break down but the next time I visit I'll get it. And he did get the swap for $1500. Bought it off this kid who had his gsr t-boned. Had about 60k on the motor A bit more mileage than a JDM would usually come with. But it had been well taken care of. Don't know if I can get you a break down but I'll try next time I visit him. Just wanted to point out for everybody that there are many ways to boost and it can be done outside the box even when others tell you it can't be done and it won't be reliable.
I've learned through many years of people telling me I can't do something that if you are patient and persistent you can do what needs to be done.
P.S. his put together kit also included a performance clutch and flywheel to handle the extra power. I didn't see it on your breakdown. But your kit looks like a killer deal! To bad my civic is a daily beater and all my money is being sunk into my integra's build.

problems with your scenario:
1) im a shop, if a custoemr comes to me i dont have time to search auctions and find a wrecked GSR or $1500. Now, if this guy wants to search and try to find one go for it, more power to you. But i have been to auctions, and i deal with engine importers every week. IT IS EXTREMELY RARE TO FIND A FULL GSR SWAP FOR $1500. if it was so common everyone would have one.

2) As i said $1500 will not get you a RELIABLE 300whp turbo kit. Our kits come with brand new parts. yes you can prob scrounge ebay and buy USED parts, but as always buyer beware. this also assumes you do all the labor and work yourself. run all the oil lines, fit the downpipe and turbo manifold, clock the turbo yourself, cut and modify the frnt bumper yourself to fit the intercooler, fit the piping , etc.

3) I will tell you right now what you need to make 300whp on a b series and its WAY more than $1500. and now your saying it included a clutch and a flywheel? well shit, im in the wrong business. im not saying its not possible, but its a ONE TIME deal and it will take MONTHS scrounging and haggling prices for USED parts to build his kit.

I mean lets use our head here:
DECENT Clutch and flywheel-$500
DECENT turbo (T3/T4) $300-400 USED
DECENT intercooler-$200-300
DECENT BOV-$150 USED

ok im already at your $1500 limit. i have not included piping, tubo manifold, engine managment, etc. now if he bought some ss autochrome crap off ebay that came with a cheapo knock off BOV and wastegate, and a crappy manifold with a XS turbo, then MAYBE he made a kit out of it, but it WONT MAKE 300whp.

if you can show me a Turbo kit that made 300whp AND it came with a clutch and flywheel AND Uberdata for $1500, ill buy 50 kits tomrrow.

Credit card in hand and waiting.

ITS NOT POSSIBLE, PERIOD

[djmaddmartin]

???????????????????????? Dude... He paid $4300 out the door. (check previous posts) I never said he got the whole thing done for $1500. And all the items are reliable. He's been runing the car for 2yrs now. Just the facts not opinion. And as for finding a GSR swap for $1500, true you don't find a cheap swap everyday, but neither do you find someone who buys everything at once. Most people collect the parts they need over time and do then build. Its more economical since you can jump on sweet deals. Not used cheap crap but good quality stuff. Your getting your feathers ruffled for the wrong reasons. I just wanted to prove a point that a b-series swap boosted can be just as affordable as a d-series. Not cheaper just affordable. And, yeah... you need an upgraded clutch and flywheel to be truely out the door. Sorry.

problems with your scenario:
1) im a shop, if a custoemr comes to me i dont have time to search auctions and find a wrecked GSR or $1500. Now, if this guy wants to search and try to find one go for it, more power to you. But i have been to auctions, and i deal with engine importers every week. IT IS EXTREMELY RARE TO FIND A FULL GSR SWAP FOR $1500. if it was so common everyone would have one.

2) As i said $1500 will not get you a RELIABLE 300whp turbo kit. Our kits come with brand new parts. yes you can prob scrounge ebay and buy USED parts, but as always buyer beware. this also assumes you do all the labor and work yourself. run all the oil lines, fit the downpipe and turbo manifold, clock the turbo yourself, cut and modify the frnt bumper yourself to fit the intercooler, fit the piping , etc.

3) I will tell you right now what you need to make 300whp on a b series and its WAY more than $1500. and now your saying it included a clutch and a flywheel? well shit, im in the wrong business. im not saying its not possible, but its a ONE TIME deal and it will take MONTHS scrounging and haggling prices for USED parts to build his kit.

I mean lets use our head here:
DECENT Clutch and flywheel-$500
DECENT turbo (T3/T4) $300-400 USED
DECENT intercooler-$200-300
DECENT BOV-$150 USED

ok im already at your $1500 limit. i have not included piping, tubo manifold, engine managment, etc. now if he bought some ss autochrome crap off ebay that came with a cheapo knock off BOV and wastegate, and a crappy manifold with a XS turbo, then MAYBE he made a kit out of it, but it WONT MAKE 300whp.

if you can show me a Turbo kit that made 300whp AND it came with a clutch and flywheel AND Uberdata for $1500, ill buy 50 kits tomrrow.

Credit card in hand and waiting.

ITS NOT POSSIBLE, PERIOD

[Vteckidd]

Ok now your backpeddaling

heres what you said in case you dont remember:

Originally Posted by djmaddmartin
List your part break down for the D series build. I checked out the kit on ebay and its missing a bunch of stuff. Show me the exact breakdown of your d-series out the door. Just curious. May make you some business too. Sounds like a killer deal. I can get a gsr full swap for $1500 by the way -USDM. $1500 for a turbo kit. $500 for clutch/flywheel. $4000-4500 out the door making 300+hp. My boy in Florida payed $4300 out the door for his. I of course am going to spend way more than that. But I'm aiming for a bit more power potential.

Once again, Show me what turbo you would use to make 300whp and what your $1500 kit would come with. You have to have SOME kind of idea what it takes to make 300whp on a B series to say you can do it for $1500. still waiting........

If you are claiming your "boy" spent $4300 out the door on just a TURBO KIT and a clutch, then i believe that. but thats NOT what you said, you said , I can get a GSR swap for $1500 and a 300whp Turbo kit for $1500. which im telling you is WRONG you cant do it.

This guy has a D series, so it would cost him $2000-3000 for a GSR swap AND $700-1000 for labor. which is what this whole fucking thread is about. Should he swap a B series motor in or boost his D series. with the budget he has i would boost his D series. He wold enjoy it and it would last a long time and he would have spent hi money wisely IMO.

Now, im a shop, and this kid asked a question. from A SHOP STANDPOINT, as i stated earlier, i dont have time to SHOP around for months collecting parts. no shop does. if the customer wants to do it then more power to him. i have no problem with that. You said its $4500 for a BOOSTED B series that makes 300whp and that INCLUDED THE SWAP. Im telling you your WRONG. now if your talking about boosting a D series and boosting a B series and your not factoring in a swap, then yes its around the same price and the B series will make more power. DUH.

So far i have heard you say taht you can build an all motor engine that was totally wrong and didnt even make any sense with what you posted. now your saying you can build a 300whp turbo kit for $1500.

ok man, go ahead, tell me what your kit has, thats all im asking. just list to me the turbo and nijectors you would use along with how many lbs of boost. my feathers arent ruffled, your just posting wrong info and you have given me nothing to think otherwise.


i still have my credit card in hand.........

And, yeah... you need an upgraded clutch and flywheel to be truely out the door. Sorry.

i agree, and i do offer clutches and flywheels as EXTRA, turbonetics, full race, rev hard, Drag, none of them offer clutch and flywheel upgrades because that is in excess of a TURBO KIT.

[djmaddmartin]

Dude. Thats what he has. That is what he paid in total. Just wanted to lay it out there. And many people including me buy parts over time for a build they plan to have done by at a shop. I of course spent much more because I wanted the best and the ability to run higher levels of boost in the future. I know you have to run a shop and all you can do is what you can do. Fine. Thats the way you roll but not I nor many people who put their packages together here on IA. Your gettin way too worked up over this. And true this started out as a NA b series swap vs. d series boosted. But people were putting up dyno charts of 300, 400, and even 500hp d-series builds that were clearly way more than $3,500(built motors). So I choose to adjust the comparison. There. If thats back peddling so be it. And by the way. I've dusted 2 boosted d-series in a b-series swaped EF. That is also an undisputable fact. But go and blow your top over that too.

Ok now your backpeddaling

heres what you said in case you dont remember:


Once again, Show me what turbo you would use to make 300whp and what your $1500 kit would come with. You have to have SOME kind of idea what it takes to make 300whp on a B series to say you can do it for $1500. still waiting........

If you are claiming your "boy" spent $4300 out the door on just a TURBO KIT and a clutch, then i believe that. but thats NOT what you said, you said , I can get a GSR swap for $1500 and a 300whp Turbo kit for $1500. which im telling you is WRONG you cant do it.

This guy has a D series, so it would cost him $2000-3000 for a GSR swap AND $700-1000 for labor. which is what this whole fucking thread is about. Should he swap a B series motor in or boost his D series. with the budget he has i would boost his D series. He wold enjoy it and it would last a long time and he would have spent hi money wisely IMO.

Now, im a shop, and this kid asked a question. from A SHOP STANDPOINT, as i stated earlier, i dont have time to SHOP around for months collecting parts. no shop does. if the customer wants to do it then more power to him. i have no problem with that. You said its $4500 for a BOOSTED B series that makes 300whp and that INCLUDED THE SWAP. Im telling you your WRONG. now if your talking about boosting a D series and boosting a B series and your not factoring in a swap, then yes its around the same price and the B series will make more power. DUH.

So far i have heard you say taht you can build an all motor engine that was totally wrong and didnt even make any sense with what you posted. now your saying you can build a 300whp turbo kit for $1500.

ok man, go ahead, tell me what your kit has, thats all im asking. just list to me the turbo and nijectors you would use along with how many lbs of boost. my feathers arent ruffled, your just posting wrong info and you have given me nothing to think otherwise.


i still have my credit card in hand.........


i agree, and i do offer clutches and flywheels as EXTRA, turbonetics, full race, rev hard, Drag, none of them offer clutch and flywheel upgrades because that is in excess of a TURBO KIT.

[Vteckidd]

Ok now your backpeddaling

heres what you said in case you dont remember:


Once again, Show me what turbo you would use to make 300whp and what your $1500 kit would come with. You have to have SOME kind of idea what it takes to make 300whp on a B series to say you can do it for $1500. still waiting........

If you are claiming your "boy" spent $4300 out the door on just a TURBO KIT and a clutch, then i believe that. but thats NOT what you said, you said , I can get a GSR swap for $1500 and a 300whp Turbo kit for $1500. which im telling you is WRONG you cant do it.

This guy has a D series, so it would cost him $2000-3000 for a GSR swap AND $700-1000 for labor. which is what this whole fucking thread is about. Should he swap a B series motor in or boost his D series. with the budget he has i would boost his D series. He wold enjoy it and it would last a long time and he would have spent hi money wisely IMO.

Now, im a shop, and this kid asked a question. from A SHOP STANDPOINT, as i stated earlier, i dont have time to SHOP around for months collecting parts. no shop does. if the customer wants to do it then more power to him. i have no problem with that. You said its $4500 for a BOOSTED B series that makes 300whp and that INCLUDED THE SWAP. Im telling you your WRONG. now if your talking about boosting a D series and boosting a B series and your not factoring in a swap, then yes its around the same price and the B series will make more power. DUH.

So far i have heard you say taht you can build an all motor engine that was totally wrong and didnt even make any sense with what you posted. now your saying you can build a 300whp turbo kit for $1500.

ok man, go ahead, tell me what your kit has, thats all im asking. just list to me the turbo and nijectors you would use along with how many lbs of boost. my feathers arent ruffled, your just posting wrong info and you have given me nothing to think otherwise.


i still have my credit card in hand.........


i agree, and i do offer clutches and flywheels as EXTRA, turbonetics, full race, rev hard, Drag, none of them offer clutch and flywheel upgrades because that is in excess of a TURBO KIT.

Once again

ANSWER ME THE QUESTIONS I ASKED. I bolded them for you. tell me what your boys "kit" came with and post his dyno graph. other wise i call bullshit.
Post what size turbo you need to make 300whp and what his kit comes with. thats all you have to do.

Lets debate the facts:
you said $4500 for a GSR swap AND A TURBO KIT that can make 300whp. i am telling you to tell me what your kit consists of. Cause i dont believe it.

You then said your boy had a $4300 turbo kit with a clutch and flywheel that made 300whp. ok i assume he had a GSR to begin with so thats fine. if that $4300 included a Turbo kit and a swap, post a dyno and post WAHT THE KIT CAME WITH.

your arguing me without presenting any facts or any evidence on your behalf. this is really just too easy.

The fact taht you beat 2 d series turbos is irrelevant. i beat a K series Turbo on the highway with my all motor CRX. so what, who cares. A d series turbo with 200whp in a EF will KILL a stock swapped B series CRX. FACT. you prob raced a heavy EK or EG chassis

Still waiting...............................

[djmaddmartin]

Dude once again you've lost track of the thread. Its peiced together! Duh!!! I don't have a list. I would span a year or so. You know. I can ask him when I visit in 2 weeks if he has any documentation. If that would make you feel better. By the way. Where is your entry for Battle of the Shops???? Hmmmm? Bring a couple of D-series!

[Vteckidd]

Dude once again you've lost track of the thread. Its peiced together! Duh!!! I don't have a list. I would span a year or so. You know. I can ask him when I visit in 2 weeks if he has any documentation. If that would make you feel better. By the way. Where is your entry for Battle of the Shops???? Hmmmm? Bring a couple of D-series!

ok so if his kit is done, call him and ask him
what turbo
what injectors
what manifold
what engine mandagement
waht clutch and flywheel
what inercooler
what psi
and what motor

surely if you guys are friends you can call and get an answer, i mean really how hard is that?

where is my entry for battle of the shops, oh dont worry, i will win the all motor class.

and ill have a few 400-500whp turbo hondas there.
if you would like to list resumes, ill stack mine against yours:
191whp OEM Build GSR -my old motor
190whp OEM build GSR-Seans motor i built
173whp OEM stock block B16-99Sis motor
400whp LSVTEC -Spoolins car we tuned
300whp B16-Seths car we tuned
i should have a turbo RSX this weekend right at 400whp

If i have enough time ill have my new 2.0l motor and this niffty all motor K series i have im building now. ever heard of ITBs on a K series ?

Your getting all defensive man, simply answer the questions i asked, its really simple. your arguing skills suck. provide PROOF of this $1500 300whp turbo kit
or
proof of your friends $4300 300whp turbo kit and what it came with and whether that included a swap.

also tell me how you can get 84mm ITR pistons

still waiting.........................

[djmaddmartin]

You know I just relized look back the error in the previous post. My bad. I was trying to say aftermarket for a ITR (ITR piston compression). MY slip. Feel better. I look forward to the results of Battle of the Shops. Good Luck.

[Vteckidd]

we'll see what happens.

[Andyturbo13]

Mahdavi has a CRX w/ an NSX engine mid mounted in it.

signal auto had a nsx powerd eg or gk civic hatch(i am not sure what modle it was)

[Andyturbo13]

It was definitly a nsx motor. It was in a magazine a long time ago, i doubt i could find it now tho. It was drag car i think, but still, they fit that thing in there.

it was in super street.

[djmaddmartin]

here is the crx

[Curbow_USMC]

That is from NOPI... i was thinking to myself that it would be bad azz to put an NSX motor in a civic.

[Jon00]

lol this is funny

[Vteckidd]

its is hilarious



and im STILL WAITING......................................

Jon00 when i get this info on this turbo kit for $1500 that makes 300whp you wanna go into business together, we could be rich bitch

[99SI]

^^^Count me in. I'll take care of the Middle Georgia market. I'll change the business name to Earl's Used Cars and dirt cheap turbo kits that make 300whp. That has a nice ring to it.

[djmaddmartin]

You know, you guys are pretty funny. Just like that whining you did on the Battle of the Shops thread. LOLOL hahahahaha. Ahhhh..... I needed that.

[djmaddmartin]

So since your the masters of N/A. Check this out.
http://www.dh-racing.com/videos/Davenos.wmv
http://www.dh-racing.com/videos/daver1.wmv
Swweeeeettt

[Vteckidd]

You know, you guys are pretty funny. Just like that whining you did on the Battle of the Shops thread. LOLOL hahahahaha. Ahhhh..... I needed that.

no one did any whining fuck face. Actually a lot of people feel the same way i do. hell, i know Bee and talk to him every day. we share similar thoughts on the matter. so why dont you shut the fuck up.

Stop swinging on everyones elses nuts, why dont you post up WITH PROOF what YOU have built since you think you know so much.

I have personally run 13.8 in my old GSR crx, made 191whp.
I built another kids motor that made 185whp.
Thats TWO motor i have done. list me ONE that you have built and one that you can post dynos of.

Show me your resume, or is it only as long as that riced out green integra with altezzas that you have?

AHHHHH HAHAHAHA, i needed that. your a retard.

EDIT: Dave HIckman akaa DH RACING, is the biggest BULLSHIT on the net since ENDYN. you prov you dont know shit, cause DH racing is a huge scam artist

[djmaddmartin]

You'll get to see my car. Soon. It will not disappoint.

As for your comments, uh what ever dude. I'm not going to resort to name calling and such things. I'm absolutely fine with what ever you have to say or call me. It just shows me your level of maturity when facing a difference of opinion. Whether I'm wrong or right or you feel you're in the right doesn't condone such behavior. Its very disappointing. Up until this past week I had mostly heard good things about you and your shop (except its distance from Atlanta). There were some people who thought you were a jerk and conducted business in a poor manner but I witheld judgement. I pushed you to see what type of person you were and I saw all I needed to see. This will be my last post on this thread. Good luck with your business and projects. DMM

[Vteckidd]

You'll get to see my car. Soon. It will not disappoint.

As for your comments, uh what ever dude. I'm not going to resort to name calling and such things. I'm absolutely fine with what ever you have to say or call me. It just shows me your level of maturity when facing a difference of opinion. Whether I'm wrong or right or you feel you're in the right doesn't condone such behavior. Its very disappointing. Up until this past week I had mostly heard good things about you and your shop (except its distance from Atlanta). There were some people who thought you were a jerk and conducted business in a poor manner but I witheld judgement. I pushed you to see what type of person you were and I saw all I needed to see. This will be my last post on this thread. Good luck with your business and projects. DMM

And peters shop isnt a DISTANCE FROM ATLANTA? what fucking world do you live in. you didnt push me, i pushed YOU, and you have NO Answers for me cause you have no idea what you are talking about. You have done nothign but run your mouth about shit you dont even understand. i gave you a chance to prove me wrong , and all you did was try to make it into how im going to lose at battle of the shops.

Once again ricer boy, let me state what YOU said in this thread. you said you could build a 300whp TURBO kit for $1500. then you offered NO proof. You CANT EVEN TELL ME WHAT TURBO WOULD MAKE 300whp. its cause YOU DONT KNOW. then you say your friend has some 300whp car, but yet you cant even call him and get details on his setup. is it maybe because it doesnt exist? or because its just you running your mouth again

People dont like me, so waht, i know that. i really dont care. the people that do know me and actually TALK to me know that im a good guy and i hook people up. I have more friends than enemies. Werent you the one i DROVE to the middle of atlanta to sell you a set of GSR camshafts for $60? i remember i was asking $80, and lowered the price to $60 cause you said something about finding them for $60 on ebay or some shit. i didnt care, didnt i give you a CHOICE between 3 different sets of camshafts as well....

I think someone is just mad that i called them out and they cant respond with anything if substance to make there argument more than "air".

I remember who you are, your the one that tried to organize the street races when i used to go, your the one my friend almost knocked out cause you were telling him where to "park" and we told you we would park wherever we wanted to. your the one that got all butt hurt cause we wouldnt listen to you cause you and your buddy wanted us to obey and do what the "crossing" guard told us. we told you to shut up and thats when my friend almost knocked you out and you backed down and drove off. remember that?

at that time you drove a Green Integra with altezzas and big wheels. so dont act like your billy bad ass with all these fast cars that you have built. just cause your "building" one now doesnt mean you get my respect. you would have gotten my respect if you could have answered the questions i asked you instead of backpeddaling.

[djmaddmartin]

1st. I never said I built fast cars.
2nd. I'm telling you what my friend told me he had paid in total (after about a yr of finding parts) for his integra to be turboed. I don't have his reciepts. Don't believe me fine. I don't care.
3rd. Yeah I used to street race but never ever come close to being knocked out. I don't do that stupid shit anymore. If you do your a dumb ass.
4th. I am building my car, for myself, not to prove any point to your ass or anyone else. I've saved up for the good stuff and I'm going to enjoy my car for no one else, for no ones respect (espcially yours) and, for no one's standards.
5th. I live in dacula so you do the math on distance
6th. Your one hostile person. You need to learn to control your temper. Once again you've proved your level of maturity. End of Discussion

[Vteckidd]

1st. I never said I built fast cars.

I can make a N/A b series go faster than a d for the same or less money. Period. And I have lots of room to grow as where the d must be fully built to pull out any more power. Turbo kit and its acessory trimmings for a D $3000-$5000 plus Labor $1500-$2500. Dude. I can set up a sweet B series for that. B18c bored to a 2.0, type R pistons, head work, type R cams etc and still spend Less Money and be as fast or faster with room to grow. D stands for DEAD END even on a budget. But don't get me wrong, I LOVE my d-series! My daily driver gets 40mpg! Wooo hooo!

So who is the "I" you keep talking about? you said it NOT ME. you said you could build an NA B series for the same money. where is this bored GSR with ITR pistons at List to me your Cost Breakdown of what it takes to build an 200whp NA B series please. and then list your PHANTOM 300whp turbo kit.

2nd. I'm telling you what my friend told me he had paid in total (after about a yr of finding parts) for his integra to be turboed. I don't have his reciepts. Don't believe me fine. I don't care.

then call your friend up and ask him what his turbo kit came with, or can you not figure taht part out. am i moving to fast for you, can you not keep up? can you get me his dyno please or just tell me the numbers it made? can you find out what turbo, what manifold, and ROUGHLY how much he spent on each part so you can account for his $4300. cause you said you could build a 300whp turbo B series for $4300 which INCLUDED a $1500 swap. NOW your saying your buddy had a Integra (which already has a B series in it) that he made 300whp for $4300. I could build the same thing for LESS money , so your friend got ripped off.

3rd. Yeah I used to street race but never ever come close to being knocked out. I don't do that stupid shit anymore. If you do your a dumb ass.

Really, you never actually RACED, but you were there every weekend everytime i went and you dont remember mouthing off to the little asian guy in the RSX? he got in your face and you backed down, you dont remember that? hmmm
you were the one trying to ORGANIZE it so why is it so stupid now? or is it cause your gonna be a "track " racer now

4th. I am building my car, for myself, not to prove any point to your ass or anyone else. I've saved up for the good stuff and I'm going to enjoy my car for no one else, for no ones respect (espcially yours) and, for no one's standards.

Congrats, i hope it makes the 600whp you told me at the varsity it was going to make. Im just saying you claim all this shit you cant back up, and then you get pissy like a girl.

5th. I live in dacula so you do the math on distance

Once again, you said its FAR from atlanta. you didnt say FAR from DACULA. so EVERY shop this is not CLOSE to your house is far away or not good enough? your retarded.

6th. Your one hostile person. You need to learn to control your temper. Once again you've proved your level of maturity. End of Discussion

im not hostile, im laughing. you cant win this arguement. hell , you just keep digging a deeper hole, ill be more than happy to say this all to your face so dont try an ETHUG and then back out.

keep trying , your losing.

i thought you were done posting in this thread?

[93H22ACX]

thats enough sirs




a good reliabe turbo setup that makes 300whp will be more than $1500 in parts alone.

all used parts if you want to get a junkyard turbo:

Turbo.................... $400
manifold..................$300
bov........................$100
wastegate...............$100
FMU.......................$100
ic Pipnig..................$200
ic..........................$250
dp.........................$200
flanges....................$30
misc fittings............$200
tunning.....................$300

This is a real cheap and ugly kit HAHHAHA and its over $1800

so in all reality... 300whp will cost more than $1500

[Vteckidd]

thats enough sirs




a good reliabe turbo setup that makes 300whp will be more than $1500 in parts alone.

all used parts if you want to get a junkyard turbo:

Turbo.................... $400
manifold..................$300
bov........................$100
wastegate...............$100
FMU.......................$100
ic Pipnig..................$200
ic..........................$250
dp.........................$200
flanges....................$30
misc fittings............$200

This is a real cheap and ugly kit HAHHAHA and its over $1800

THANK YOU.

/thread

[mp5o]

LOL... Man this thread has gotten a little out of hand...

[djmaddmartin]

Once again I never said the kit was $1500. I said he did a swap and turbo kit for $4300. Thats what he told me. And it was you that was claiming to get a good turbo kit off of ebay for $1500-not me. Here are just a couple of kits I found from 1200-1700. Which are not run down kits but brand new. I was you that told me you could find d-series kits on ebay for $1500. Yep Yep.
examples of b series kits:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/B-Ser...02368532QQrdZ1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VECCO...02135526QQrdZ1

Go on wid your bad self! Its time to end this thread. Its just got out of hand (thks mp50) I heard what you gotta say and vice versa. We disagree and thats it. I got mad respect for some of your builds but I'm not sure about you. Your hostile, rude and can't let anyone believe different than your self. You know a lot but can't accept that there may be other ways of acheiving the same goals. Its too bad. Peace Out

[Jon00]

lol ^^^^^

[Vteckidd]

Once again I never said the kit was $1500. I said he did a swap and turbo kit for $4300.

Really, let me show you AGAIN what YOU said since you have reading comprehension problems.

Originally Posted by djmaddmartin
List your part break down for the D series build. I checked out the kit on ebay and its missing a bunch of stuff. Show me the exact breakdown of your d-series out the door. Just curious. May make you some business too. Sounds like a killer deal. I can get a gsr full swap for $1500 by the way -USDM. $1500 for a turbo kit. $500 for clutch/flywheel. $4000-4500 out the door making 300+hp. My boy in Florida payed $4300 out the door for his. I of course am going to spend way more than that. But I'm aiming for a bit more power potential.

I bolded it for you since you have problems remembering what you yourself said. there it is ladies and gentlemen, he said he could BUILD a 300whp GSR turbo kit for $1500. he said $4000-4500 OUT THE DOOR MAKING 300whp. and that included a SWAP, TURBO KIT, CLUTCH, FLYHWEEL. yet you cant even tell me what your turbo kit consists of, which is cool cause you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. as far as your "boy" goes, still, all i hear from you is . call your friend and post what he has and what he paid. post a dyno too.

Thats what he told me. And it was you that was claiming to get a good turbo kit off of ebay for $1500-not me.

once again, go read what i said. you said it would cost:

I can make a N/A b series go faster than a d for the same or less money. Period. And I have lots of room to grow as where the d must be fully built to pull out any more power. Turbo kit and its acessory trimmings for a D $3000-$5000 plus Labor $1500-$2500

Once again i bolded it. what i told you was taht you can find GREDDY intercooler less turbo kits on Ebay for under $1500. i was merely refuting your $3000-5000 bill for a boosted D series. i was also telling you that we do full turbokits INCLUDING install for $3500. no one charges $1500-2500 to install a turbo kit.

Here are just a couple of kits I found from 1200-1700. Which are not run down kits but brand new. I was you that told me you could find d-series kits on ebay for $1500. Yep Yep.
examples of b series kits:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/B-Ser...02368532QQrdZ1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VECCO...02135526QQrdZ1

this proves how much of an idiot you are. I NEVER said i could find turbo kits for $1500 on EBAY. YOU said that it was $3000-5000 for a D series turbo kit and all its accesories, i was saying that you could find Greddy SOHC complete kits on HT and EBAY for under $1500. but i never reccomended it. then you went off on some idiotic tangent about how you could build an NA motor and be faster cause your B series EF beat a turbo D series. Then you made a proposterous claim that a 300whp B series kit costs $1500, and thats where i called you out.

BTW:
those turbo kits you posted, missing a BOV, Engine Management, Intercooler piping, injectors, oil lines, etc. Its missing $1000 worth of stuff, then add in labor, OH SHIT we are at $3500 which is what i QUOTED everyone, AMAZING. That is not a complete turbo kit, and even if you bought that kit, and stuck it on your b series, it wont make over 250whp if you are lucky cause its an FMU setup. and if you want to trust EBAY go for it, my customers have higher standards and personally my turbo kits are better and more complete. for $2500 i include a Walbro Fuel pump, Uberdata, Conversion harness if you need it, Turbonetics Wastegate, Greddy or HKS BOV AND FLANGE, Front mouont intercooler and piping , Log manifold, Downpipe, 450cc injectors, wow, my kit is way more complete.

Go on wid your bad self! Its time to end this thread. Its just got out of hand (thks mp50) I heard what you gotta say and vice versa. We disagree and thats it. I got mad respect for some of your builds but I'm not sure about you. Your hostile, rude and can't let anyone believe different than your self. You know a lot but can't accept that there may be other ways of acheiving the same goals. Its too bad. Peace Out

ill end this thread when you stop posting BULLSHIT. just admit that your wrong, you cant build a turbo kit for $1500 that makes 300whp. i stil have yet to see any proof.

im not hostile, and im not rude. if you remember, you asked me to breakdown my D series turbo kit, which i did. i then politely asked you to breakd down your $1500 B series turbo kit. and you never did, and still havent. thats when you got hostile. your the one that started whining like a girl and then tried to make this about Battle of the Shops. You know what, i know peter and bee way more than you, and i know ill lose to them. NA vs BOOST, doesnt take a rocket scientest to see that. whats your point? you think im gonna feel bad when i lose, or when peter wins, fuck no. I tell you what, you bring your shit out and line up against me. you want to ride peters coattails, thats fine, im now calling you out. bring one of YOUR built cars out or your buddies 300whp GSR and line up against me. we can do it at the track or on the street , but you better bring some money.

go away, leave this topic, and leave this to people that know what they are talking about, which is everyone else in this thrread except you.

STILL WAITING..............

[djmaddmartin]

What ever dude. We disagree and thats all.

[djmaddmartin]

Diary of angry, pissed mechanic.

[99SI]

dairy? no mike's lactose intollerant.

[iNsTuN nOoDoH]

I'm sure me scotty and chris(green91) will give any swapped n/a b series a run =0) the only reason i haven't been able to get a good track time is cuz of my big ass wheels and full body, but even with that I hit 14.7. I've only spent 1600 without tuning. I've looked at a turbo'd ls with a t3t4 and compared to my y8 with a t3, both with 10 psi, we're almost at the same power, just the ls makes a few more on the torque side. D series turbo is a better bang for the buck. Its even better to pop open the hood after a good race to see the face of the person you beat or kept up with. I admit the b series has more room to work with though. A gsr with bolt on's will not come close to a boosted d... Actually, I took out 3 integras and a prelude all at once saturday night, and I gave the srt a good run...

[djmaddmartin]

Wow. You spent only $1600. Was that for just the kit or the kit and install?

I'm sure me scotty and chris(green91) will give any swapped n/a b series a run =0) the only reason i haven't been able to get a good track time is cuz of my big ass wheels and full body, but even with that I hit 14.7. I've only spent 1600 without tuning. I've looked at a turbo'd ls with a t3t4 and compared to my y8 with a t3, both with 10 psi, we're almost at the same power, just the ls makes a few more on the torque side. D series turbo is a better bang for the buck. Its even better to pop open the hood after a good race to see the face of the person you beat or kept up with. I admit the b series has more room to work with though. A gsr with bolt on's will not come close to a boosted d... Actually, I took out 3 integras and a prelude all at once saturday night, and I gave the srt a good run...

[iNsTuN nOoDoH]

The kit(t3 60 trim with uberdata). I installed it.