Michael Vick in Talks to Become PETA Spokesman

[tony]

Tony, you are pretty good at sticking to your beliefs. There is nothing wrong with that. It doesn't make you closed minded just because you don't sway with the wind. Nah mean?

Damnit I had typed up a paragraph on how I feel about that then deleted it. Anyway, I do get swayed on subjects.. I learn a lot from these discussions by being proven wrong. (sometimes lol) During the election Mike (KiDD), Jimmy, they set me straight on some things I felt strongly on.. and I learned from them.

Typically I just want people to see the other side. My extended family is from the deep south, dog fighting is like nothing to them. Me personally, I can't bear to watch or even see a dog squeal but I understand my environment is much different than the one they grew up in. Do I fault them for it? Judge them? No, because at the end of the day I'm not perfect MYSELF for me to say that they are evil, or psycho.

Vick knew the laws, he broke them, otherwise there would have been no reason to lie. If he is to be judged, judge him as a criminal and he already was by a jury of his peers. But for me to say what is in that mans heart.. I would be no better than the label I am placing on him because I have not walked in his shoes.

[Tracy]

Damnit I had typed up a paragraph on how I feel about that then deleted it. Anyway, I do get swayed on subjects.. I learn a lot from these discussions by being proven wrong. (sometimes lol) During the election Mike (KiDD), Jimmy, they set me straight on some things I felt strongly on.. and I learned from them.

Typically I just want people to see the other side. My extended family is from the deep south, dog fighting is like nothing to them. Me personally, I can't bear to watch or even see a dog squeal but I understand my environment is much different than the one they grew up in. Do I fault them for it? Judge them? No, because at the end of the day I'm not perfect MYSELF for me to say that they are evil, or psycho.

Vick knew the laws, he broke them, otherwise there would have been no reason to lie. If he is to be judged, judge him as a criminal and he already was by a jury of his peers. But for me to say what is in that mans heart.. I would be no better than the label I am placing on him because I have not walked in his shoes.

It's not really my intention to label him. I just happen to enjoy reading up on the psychology of serial killers and there is strong evidence that suggests that people who torture animals and find joy in it have issues. To me that's not judging, just statistics which are facts.

I do say that he is not sorry, but you are right, that's not my place to say. I guess it's just not within my realm to understand based on my love for animals and my experiences with them. I cried my eyes out when my gerbils died. They are buried in my back yard in nice boxes with a hand made metal cross for a headstone. They are frickin' rodents.....

[IMPORTchic]

Damnit I had typed up a paragraph on how I feel about that then deleted it. Anyway, I do get swayed on subjects.. I learn a lot from these discussions by being proven wrong. (sometimes lol) During the election Mike (KiDD), Jimmy, they set me straight on some things I felt strongly on.. and I learned from them.

Typically I just want people to see the other side. My extended family is from the deep south, dog fighting is like nothing to them. Me personally, I can't bear to watch or even see a dog squeal but I understand my environment is much different than the one they grew up in. Do I fault them for it? Judge them? No, because at the end of the day I'm not perfect MYSELF for me to say that they are evil, or psycho.

Vick knew the laws, he broke them, otherwise there would have been no reason to lie. If he is to be judged, judge him as a criminal and he already was by a jury of his peers. But for me to say what is in that mans heart.. I would be no better than the label I am placing on him because I have not walked in his shoes.

You have a point in ways and I see it. I will admit that. I will also say though I grew up on a FARM, in the DEEP SOUTH COUNTRY along with my whole family! Many of my neighbors use to have dog/cock fighting all the time and my family along with others in the community got them busted on several occasions. THAT is why I am so strongly opinionated about it against what you were saying. I was brought up right beside it. Still live a mile from there. Yet I was not EVER involved and have always been against it. Those people that done that in my area 100% white trash rednecks that caused our community to have helicopters to fly over for years in search of that kind of stuff along with drugs which was found on many occasions. This is a 13 mile from civilization church based community I am talking about here. I find no legit excuses for him. Just like I dont believe people that grew up in a drug household have to be that way either. You have a choice for the most part in life on which path to take.

Vick screwed up. Point proven. Whether or not he will ever be involved with such again is another story. I believe statistics about people that abuse animals being ill-hearted. That is my opinion as everyone has theirs. Hopefully I am wrong about Vick. Hopefully he is not as bad as the media I have saw has led me to believe.

[BanginJimmy]

Damnit I had typed up a paragraph on how I feel about that then deleted it. Anyway, I do get swayed on subjects.. I learn a lot from these discussions by being proven wrong. (sometimes lol) During the election Mike (KiDD), Jimmy, they set me straight on some things I felt strongly on.. and I learned from them.

Typically I just want people to see the other side. My extended family is from the deep south, dog fighting is like nothing to them. Me personally, I can't bear to watch or even see a dog squeal but I understand my environment is much different than the one they grew up in. Do I fault them for it? Judge them? No, because at the end of the day I'm not perfect MYSELF for me to say that they are evil, or psycho.

Vick knew the laws, he broke them, otherwise there would have been no reason to lie. If he is to be judged, judge him as a criminal and he already was by a jury of his peers. But for me to say what is in that mans heart.. I would be no better than the label I am placing on him because I have not walked in his shoes.

I know where you are going with this and I still dont buy it. It would be one thing if he never left that environment, but he is supposedly college educated. He could have easily left that life behind in favor of more healthy forms of entertainment. Hell, if he really wanted to see to the death fighting, there are places in Asia that have them on a regular basis. The difference is that it is 2 consenting adults that are involved and not animals that were never given a chance at something else.

[big crunch22]

The nfl should get off its high horse and let vick play. he got caught doing something bad, and he has paid a huge price for it. What more can you do to someone. do they want him to wear pants made of barbed wire?

[EJ25RUN]

do they want him to wear pants made of barbed wire?

Maybe then i'd watch football.


On second thought......i'll stick to futbol.

[redblackfan]

I still like Mick Vick and good for him

[Tracy]

good for you.