All-motor setup

[sakasaku]

B18b1 93 ls block -94-01 head

okay apparnetly u can tell this is my first engine build so would u help me figure out a good setup?

[Vteckidd]

what motor?

[sakasaku]

sry forgot

[Grimm Reeper]

Is this for the LS


Editing at the moment I make my post FTL

[Vteckidd]

Pretty much all of it is wrong to tell you the truth LOL

Here we go:
SPrings and Retainers are fine

Cams, not a big fan of BC but as long as they are close to 404s then thats fine.

The amount of work youll have to do to get the valves to work negates them. and you wont see that much of a power gain if any.

Stock Injectors are fine. They will support 200whp and you will be nowhere near that.

Aem Fuel rail is good if you like to waste money. It doest absolutely NOTHING. Stock rails are good for 600whp. If you want an aftermarket Rail buy the SKunk2 Composite rail, at least it lowers Fuel Temps.

GSR transmission, not as bad as an LS but still sucks. B16 is what you are going to want since you have a low HP engine with ok TORQUE youll want the shortest gears possible.

DC Sport header, its ok, not the best obviously. Tri-Y is much better.

Whale Penis is proven to NOT make power. Its a fad, the Regular AEM CAI DESTROYS it.

I would rather you purchase a Competition Clutch Stage 2 than an Exedy Stage 1. FLywheel is fine, id go with the lightest you can find.

All Motor LSs dont make a ton of power, and with you keeping a stock bottom end, dont expect much, youll be lucky to hit 150whp.

Personally, you can save a TON OF MONEY if instead of buying cams, springs, ret, you buy a $350 GSR head an do an LSVTEC.

Youll make MORE POWER with a VTEC head over a NON VTEC ANY DAY and it costs less than the build you have posted.

I dont see the point in being DIFFERENT if DIFFERENT means being slow

[sakasaku]

i am still a baby in the game so thanx

[JDMJAYDC2]

i dont always agree with mike but ryan your part choices are all over the place some expensive some cheap if you want the ls just to have a motor then do all oem and drive it till you can build a head worth building ie gsr head , itr head if your not going for boost forget about doing cams and such in a ls its pointless. Do a oem rebuild on the motor drop it in drive and be happy while you get another motor on the stand hence what i am in the process of doing

[AnTi-PooN]

^^^x2 mr. kidd is exactly right. i took my time doing my ls vtec and it sucked haveing to wait on funds for the parts but in the end it's worth it trust me. and if you need a machine shop lmk cuz i can hook it up

[southside]

i dont always agree with mike but ryan your part choices are all over the place some expensive some cheap if you want the ls just to have a motor then do all oem and drive it till you can build a head worth building ie gsr head , itr head if your not going for boost forget about doing cams and such in a ls its pointless. Do a oem rebuild on the motor drop it in drive and be happy while you get another motor on the stand hence what i am in the process of doing

Im going to make you eat those words

[jfrolang]

Jay's right. Cams that make good power at the top will idle like crap on a non-VTEC engine, and you'll hate driving on the street.

[sakasaku]

EDit read first post to help!?!?!?! kinda lost

[southside]

I say ctrs pistons,get cranks balanced and blueprinted.Get everything like piston rings,main bearings,rod bearings and thrust washers.Pretty much everything needed for stock rebuild.Oil pump,timing belt and other etc. alot of people underestimate low mileage Honda motors.

[Vteckidd]

Im going to make you eat those words

no youre not, Cams in a stock block ls make little to no power.

EJALLMOTA who has prob the best OEM setup motor (B16 Pistons, Crower 403s, JDM 2.5in Header, PR8 Head)

And he made like 154whp. It was a fun car, but dont think, its some magical stupid fast ride. We talked about doing 404s in his car, but he would have had a crappy idle and he might have made another 5-8whp if he was lucky.

[Vteckidd]

,get cranks balanced

Only 1 crank in a honda motor playa

[southside]

no youre not, Cams in a stock block ls make little to no power.

EJALLMOTA who has prob the best OEM setup motor (B16 Pistons, Crower 403s, JDM 2.5in Header, PR8 Head)

And he made like 154whp. It was a fun car, but dont think, its some magical stupid fast ride. We talked about doing 404s in his car, but he would have had a crappy idle and he might have made another 5-8whp if he was lucky.

I've seen his set up what was it at the crank?and just like mustang guys say what Honda is magically stupid fast?

Only 1 crank in a honda motor playa

Thanks for being spell check

[jfrolang]

CTR pistons are too much compression in an LS. B16 pistons are actually the better choice.

[sakasaku]

CTR pistons are too much compression in an LS. B16 pistons are actually the better choice.

Aren't b16 pistons 84 mm bore? if i can find them ill get the bore

[jfrolang]

Aren't b16 pistons 84 mm bore? if i can find them ill get the bore

No dude, all B-series are 81mm, except for the B20B/Z (those are 84).

[southside]

my friend had ctr pistons in his ls and etc., It ran pretty wild only problem was he had a slight tap.He ran 13.9 with that setup in a Da with ls tranny.I wonder whos got the highest hp N/A Ls in GA.

[sakasaku]

No dude, all B-series are 81mm, except for the B20B/Z (those are 84).

o kay should i swap the crank to? in that case ill buy some b16 pistons!!!! and crank!!!!!

[southside]

No just use b16 pistons with ls crank.If you get a b16 crank it will destroke your motor I think thats the right term.

[sakasaku]

k wat about rods ls or b16 rods?

[sakasaku]

if so i might buy these
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/B16-B...WDVWQQtcZphoto

[southside]

You use everything from your ls except pistons.Pistons give a bump in compression and ls motors have lowest compression of b series I believe.So you will use your ls rods unless you wanna go aftermarket.

[southside]

You could buy the shortblock joshuaase has. He had a ls shortblock with type-R pistons and everything in it already.I dont know if he has sold it or not .

[southside]

if so i might buy these
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/B16-B...WDVWQQtcZphoto

Just find the pistons and take your ls rods to a machine shop and get them to put them on.Or you could buy them new for 125$ with wrist pins and rings.

[sakasaku]

what about valve clearance? i am reading on another forum that it will hit the valves? probly cause its talking about ls vtec idk?

[sakasaku]

Just find the pistons and take your ls rods to a machine shop and get them to put them on.Or you could buy them new for 125$ with wrist pins and rings.

just got to go to the machine shop and get the rods pressed on

[southside]

Ls with b16 pistons I dont think the dome is that big to worry about valve clearance.Maybe if they were Ctr then you would have to worry about Valve clearance

[southside]

just got to go to the machine shop and get the rods pressed on

Yea I got mine done for 40$ just took them the b16 pistons and my rods and they did it.But they will tell you the pistons might break in the process.In that case I would just buy them new but mines didnt break.Or anyone else I know that has had it done.

[sakasaku]

wat about valve clearance? and i have some b seires cams Pr3 little scorn trade for tanabe medallion

[turbob20]

try an ls block crank and rods,b16 or type r pistons to bump compression, a gsr head for its smaller combustion chambers and better quench area and even more compression, stock gsr cams to start off, and a chipped p28 or stock p30 or something to get you going. then later to help build power with these all motor setups you can add cams that will better suit this compression to help add some but perhaps as KIDD said earlier very little power as fatr as ls heads and cams.the only way is to build an ls vtec because you can go more agressive on your secodary profiles and still have a crisp idle. mine put down 212hp to the wheels on all stock internals with p 30 pistons and gsr cams. i finally stepped up to a b20 bottom end and opened up my intake valve dishes a tad in the pistons for the bigger gsr valves,revhard t3 t4 kit on 8 psi tunned by scotty at mainstream with the same stock gsr head,cams and stock internals of the b20 wich is same as ls with exeption of 3mm bigger pistons, on pump gas and am puttin down 260whp @ only 8 psi. this is what i know to work with all stock intenal honda parts and not have to go stupid crazy and get caught up in the after market bullcrap!

[turbob20]

i think those are b16 cams my friend.just like p30 is also. then i think p3 is type r. all you need is a vtec head for all these parts

wat about valve clearance? and i have some b seires cams Pr3 little scorn trade for tanabe medallion

[sakasaku]

Do the pistons come out of top or bottom cause i really don't want to take the head off if its not nessary. dudw there ls cams it doesnt have the extra lobe for Vtak.

[southside]

Lol whos building your motor for you?Its easier to just take the head off and get the pistons out.You will still have to disassemble the whole motor tho

[turbob20]

Do the pistons come out of top or bottom cause i really don't want to take the head off if its not nessary. dudw there ls cams it doesnt have the extra lobe for Vtak.

NO THAT PART # PR3 IS B16 AS WELL AS P30. SOMEONES CHANGED THE CAM GEARS. L/S IS PR4

[sakasaku]

Lol whos building your motor for you?Its easier to just take the head off and get the pistons out.You will still have to disassemble the whole motor tho

me i was just wondering

[southside]

me i was just wondering

The way your talking I dont think that is a wise decision.If you dont know I would recommend you going to somewhere they will do it correct.

[KevinT707]

This LS talk makes me wanna barf, anyway .. (to SouthSide) go ahead & build your LS & when it puts down 155 WHP then we can do a hwy pull to see whos car is quicker but don't be mad if I pull by a bus.

[southside]

This LS talk makes me wanna barf, anyway .. (to SouthSide) go ahead & build your LS & when it puts down 155 WHP then we can do a hwy pull to see whos car is quicker but don't be mad if I pull by a bus.

dude stop being a bit.ch and do a dig since your so fast.And if you beat me ill just get my friend to bring his stock b16 back out for you