Obama won, now what?

[Jaimecbr900]

So, as expected, Obama is going to get the nod from the Democrats to fly their flag in November. Now what?

- Is Hillary going to be the VP?
- Is he going to be able to make any "changes" as his campaign has promised?
- Is this going to turn into a black and white color race?
- Why did people literally cry, tears, boo-hoo-my-best-friend-got-hit-by-a-car-tears last night?
- What accomplishments does he have on his record, since he's been a Senator for only 2 yrs, never served in the military, hasn't owned a multi-million dollar business.....what exactly makes him the best candidate to lead the most powerful country in the world?
- Is Hillary done with politics?

Discuss.

[Vteckidd]

read the other thread lol.

Hillary has to be carefull because she has 2 options

1) Make OBama realize that HE NEEDS HER TO WIN to capture her people

2) She may not want to run, hope he loses so she can be the front runner in 2012.

I think you will see her stay active, and eventually bow out to distance herself from OBAMA.

Hillary wants the #1 spot, i think her leaking she would take the VP last night was just her way of taking some focus off Obama and his night.

Obama has no record, he wont be able to do anything that hes TRYING to say he can do.

All we can hope is America isnt stupid and follow him into hell and back.

Most of the stuff he said last night scared me. He looked and sounded like a dictator, not a president.

He wants to implement universal health care but has no platform on how to PAY for it.

He wants to end the war.

He wants to sit down an talk with terrorists

He wants to give jobs to people even though unemployment is at almost an all time low

He wants to provide medical care to sick kids even though that already happens.

Again it just shows how ignorant American voters are. They just dont want Bush in office so they will listen to Obama because they like what he says.

[blacknightteg]

in all honestly i think that this country needs something new. regardless of whether or not he's been in the senate for two years. that shouldnt matter. this country has gone down hill for the past 8 years with these old school politics that bush and his administration has brought. Our country has been run by old ass white people for the past umpteen years and its time for something different. A younger president that doesnt nessarily have the same ideals as everyone who came out of the cookie cutter. **** didnt get us anywhere except look like a bunch of dumb people over the past 8 years. i say good riddence that he's the candidate. not that hillary wouldnt have been a good one. but i feel that there needs to be something different and new in that white house. otherwise we are doomed to go down hill as a country.

[osnap]

Is Hillary going to be the VP?

Depends. He sure as hell doesn't want that to happen, and with the animosity thats pretty clear between them, its hard to blame him. However, she comes with a lot of votes, and the party knows that, so politically, theres no question that shes the best choice. I'm personally hoping for an Obama-Edwards ticket; anyone but hillary, really.

Is he going to be able to make any "changes" as his campaign has promised?

Sure. Will they all work flawlessly and go down uncontested? Certainly not. Will they all come quickly and easily? Don't bet on it. He himself has admitted that a lot of his vision involves some things that aren't going to be easy, but I think he'd work tirelessly to make them realities.

Is this going to turn into a black and white color race?

Sadly, I don't doubt it. Theres a LOT hidden under the surface here, and I think race will play a bigger part in the voting than anyone would like to admit.

Why did people literally cry, tears, boo-hoo-my-best-friend-got-hit-by-a-car-tears last night?

to be honest, im not sure what you're talking about. I basically watched the speeches and called it a night.

What accomplishments does he have on his record, since he's been a Senator for only 2 yrs, never served in the military, hasn't owned a multi-million dollar business.....what exactly makes him the best candidate to lead the most powerful country in the world?

Though these are traditionally regarded as being so, I honestly believe none of these is by any means a requirement for the Presidency. Sure, his Senate experience doesn't span a long timeline, but his record in that short period is certainly respectable. What matters is that he is a great and inspirational leader, a brilliant mind, a dedicated American (no matter what all the rednecks say to the contrary), and an honest man, or at least as honest as politicians come.

Is Hillary done with politics?

God no. Shes been running for the 2012 election for months now. She's known good and well that she was done for, regardless of her inability to admit it. That woman will not let go.

[tony]

*sigh* Let me go pull together all my other posts to enlighten those who question Obama but don't take the initiative to really learn since it is popular to question his experience.. brb

[blacknightteg]

yay tony! always commingh into it with a good head on his shoulders! thank you sir!

[osnap]

Good god mike, your posts on this subject are probably the most strongly opinionated things I've ever read. Out of curiousity, do you consider yourself part of the far right, or how would you generalize your political position? Really its just more that I'm curious than anything else, not trying to alienate you or anything.

You just seem to have this campaign that aims to deface the Obama camp in any way that you possibly can. Everyone chooses a side, and thus everyone has their personal adversary, but you dont see most of us going on our own personal little smear campaign about them. You think he's the wrong candidate? Fine. Explain your position, by all means - this is America, after all. But going after every post, determined to tell everyone just how wrong they are is a bit ridiculous imo.

You make a lot of assumptions and point a lot of fingers, especially regarding American voters. But a lot of us are a lot smarter than you give us credit for. Just let it go.

[tony]

Time in the Senate: 1,141 days
Total bills sponsored: 129
Total bills past committee: 9
Total bills enacted: 1
Total bills cosponsored: 545
Example bills:

The SAFE Act (Security and Freedom Enhancement ) - The SAFE Act safeguards a number of intrusive Patriot Act powers

Ethics Reform in Illinois - This one isn't on a national level but interrogations have to be taped in Illinois thanks to Obama, even more impressive is how he garnered support from his opposition by going to the Prisons, getting on the ground floor and playing basketball with victims of police brutality.. the Bill passed with not 1 opposing vote.

The Congressional Ethics Enforcement Commission Act -
The bill would create an outside ethics commission to receive complaints from the public on alleged ethics violations by members of Congress, staff, and lobbyists.

The Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act - The bill would shed light on the almost 16,000 earmarks that were included in spending bills in 2005. Under the bill, all earmarks, including the name of the requestor and a justification for the earmark, would have to be disclosed 72 hours before they could be considered by the full Senate. Senators would be prohibited from advocating for an earmark if they have a financial interest in the project or earmark recipient. And, earmark recipients would have to disclose to an Office of Public Integrity the amount that they have spent on registered lobbyists and the names of those lobbyists.

The Curtailing Lobbyist Effectiveness through Advance Notification, Updates, and Posting Act (The CLEAN UP Act) - The bill aims to improve public access to information about all legislation, including conference reports and appropriations legislation, in particular after hurried, end-of-session negotiations.

Senator Obama is a cosponsor of the Medicare Informed Choice Act - Which would extend enrollment without penalty until the end of 2006. This bill would also allow all Part D beneficiaries to change their plan once during 2006.

The National MEDiC Act - Which promotes patient safety initiatives, including early disclosure and compensation to patients injured by medical errors.

Hospital Quality Report Card Act - Which will use federal hospital quality reporting requirements to inform and assist patients and other consumers in making their health care decisions.

Federal Employees Health Benefits Program Efficiency Act - Which would leverage the federal government's purchasing power to encourage increased adoption of technology by participating health plan.

Attacking Viral Influenza Across Nations Act - Which calls for collaboration and cooperation at the state, national, and international level to ensure preparedness in the event of pandemic influenza.

Lead Free Toys Act - Requiring the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) to ban any children's product containing lead.

Healthy Communities Act - To identify and address problems in communities that are at high risk from environmental contaminants.

Senator Obama introduced two bills - the Mercury Market Minimization Act (S. 3627) and the Missing Mercury in Manufacturing Monitoring and Mitigation Act (S. 3631) These bills would significantly reduce the amount of mercury that is deposited in oceans, lakes, and rivers, which in turn would reduce the amount of mercury in fish.

Senator Obama successfully passed legislation in the Senate to force the Pentagon to work towards an efficient electronic medical records system that will help ensure better care for our nation's troops.

Comittee's Obama sits on:

Foreign Relations Committee
-African Affairs Subcommittee
-East Asia & Pacific Affairs Subcommittee
-European Affairs (Chairman) Subcommittee
-International Development & Foreign Assistance, Economic Affairs & International Environmental Protection Subcommittee

Health, Education, Labor & Pension Committee

-Children & Families Subcommittee
-Employment & Workplace Safety Subcommittee

Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee

-Ad Hoc Committee on State, Local & Private Sector Preparedness & Integration
-Investigations Subcommittee
-Federal Financial Management, Government Information, Federal Services & International Security Subcommittee

Veterans’ Affairs Committee


Amendments, that have all passed:

S.Amdt.159 to S.Con.Res.18 - To prevent and, if necessary, respond to an international outbreak of the avian flu.

S.Amdt.390 to H.R.1268 - To provide meal and telephone benefits for members of the Armed Forces who are recuperating from injuries incurred on active duty in Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom.

S.Amdt.670 to H.R.3 - To provide for Flexible Fuel Vehicle (FFV) refueling capability at new and existing refueling station facilities to promote energy security and reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.

S.Amdt.808 to H.R.6 - To establish a program to develop Fischer-Tropsch transportation fuels from Illinois basin coal.

S.Amdt.851 to H.R.6 - To require the Secretary to establish a Joint Flexible Fuel/Hybrid Vehicle Commercialization Initiative, and for other purposes.

S.Amdt.1362 to S.1042 - To require a report on the Department of Defense Composite Health Care System II.

S.Amdt.1453 to S.1402 - To ensure the protection of military and civilian personnel in the Department of Defense from an influenza pandemic, including an avian influenza pandemic.

S.Amdt.2301 to H.R.3010 - To increase funds to the Thurgood Marshall Legal Educational Opportunity Program and to the Office of Special Education Programs of the Department of Education for the purposes of expanding positive behavioral interventions and supports.

S.Amdt.2605 to S.2020 - Expressing the sense of the Senate that the Federal Emergency Management Agency should immediately address issues relating to no-bid contracting.

S.Amdt.2930 to S.2349 - To clarify that availability of legislation does not include nonbusiness days.
S.Amdt.3144 to S.Con.Res.83 - To provide a $40 million increase in FY 2007 for the Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program and to improve job services for hard-to-place veterans

S. Amdt 41 to S. 1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged.

[blacknightteg]

Time in the Senate: 1,141 days
Total bills sponsored: 129
Total bills past committee: 9
Total bills enacted: 1
Total bills cosponsored: 545
Example bills:

The SAFE Act (Security and Freedom Enhancement ) - The SAFE Act safeguards a number of intrusive Patriot Act powers

Ethics Reform in Illinois - This one isn't on a national level but interrogations have to be taped in Illinois thanks to Obama, even more impressive is how he garnered support from his opposition by going to the Prisons, getting on the ground floor and playing basketball with victims of police brutality.. the Bill passed with not 1 opposing vote.

The Congressional Ethics Enforcement Commission Act -
The bill would create an outside ethics commission to receive complaints from the public on alleged ethics violations by members of Congress, staff, and lobbyists.

The Transparency and Integrity in Earmarks Act - The bill would shed light on the almost 16,000 earmarks that were included in spending bills in 2005. Under the bill, all earmarks, including the name of the requestor and a justification for the earmark, would have to be disclosed 72 hours before they could be considered by the full Senate. Senators would be prohibited from advocating for an earmark if they have a financial interest in the project or earmark recipient. And, earmark recipients would have to disclose to an Office of Public Integrity the amount that they have spent on registered lobbyists and the names of those lobbyists.

The Curtailing Lobbyist Effectiveness through Advance Notification, Updates, and Posting Act (The CLEAN UP Act) - The bill aims to improve public access to information about all legislation, including conference reports and appropriations legislation, in particular after hurried, end-of-session negotiations.

Senator Obama is a cosponsor of the Medicare Informed Choice Act - Which would extend enrollment without penalty until the end of 2006. This bill would also allow all Part D beneficiaries to change their plan once during 2006.

The National MEDiC Act - Which promotes patient safety initiatives, including early disclosure and compensation to patients injured by medical errors.

Hospital Quality Report Card Act - Which will use federal hospital quality reporting requirements to inform and assist patients and other consumers in making their health care decisions.

Federal Employees Health Benefits Program Efficiency Act - Which would leverage the federal government's purchasing power to encourage increased adoption of technology by participating health plan.

Attacking Viral Influenza Across Nations Act - Which calls for collaboration and cooperation at the state, national, and international level to ensure preparedness in the event of pandemic influenza.

Lead Free Toys Act - Requiring the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) to ban any children's product containing lead.

Healthy Communities Act - To identify and address problems in communities that are at high risk from environmental contaminants.

Senator Obama introduced two bills - the Mercury Market Minimization Act (S. 3627) and the Missing Mercury in Manufacturing Monitoring and Mitigation Act (S. 3631) These bills would significantly reduce the amount of mercury that is deposited in oceans, lakes, and rivers, which in turn would reduce the amount of mercury in fish.

Senator Obama successfully passed legislation in the Senate to force the Pentagon to work towards an efficient electronic medical records system that will help ensure better care for our nation's troops.

Comittee's Obama sits on:

Foreign Relations Committee
-African Affairs Subcommittee
-East Asia & Pacific Affairs Subcommittee
-European Affairs (Chairman) Subcommittee
-International Development & Foreign Assistance, Economic Affairs & International Environmental Protection Subcommittee

Health, Education, Labor & Pension Committee

-Children & Families Subcommittee
-Employment & Workplace Safety Subcommittee

Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs Committee

-Ad Hoc Committee on State, Local & Private Sector Preparedness & Integration
-Investigations Subcommittee
-Federal Financial Management, Government Information, Federal Services & International Security Subcommittee

Veterans’ Affairs Committee


Amendments, that have all passed:

S.Amdt.159 to S.Con.Res.18 - To prevent and, if necessary, respond to an international outbreak of the avian flu.

S.Amdt.390 to H.R.1268 - To provide meal and telephone benefits for members of the Armed Forces who are recuperating from injuries incurred on active duty in Operation Iraqi Freedom or Operation Enduring Freedom.

S.Amdt.670 to H.R.3 - To provide for Flexible Fuel Vehicle (FFV) refueling capability at new and existing refueling station facilities to promote energy security and reduction of greenhouse gas emissions.

S.Amdt.808 to H.R.6 - To establish a program to develop Fischer-Tropsch transportation fuels from Illinois basin coal.

S.Amdt.851 to H.R.6 - To require the Secretary to establish a Joint Flexible Fuel/Hybrid Vehicle Commercialization Initiative, and for other purposes.

S.Amdt.1362 to S.1042 - To require a report on the Department of Defense Composite Health Care System II.

S.Amdt.1453 to S.1402 - To ensure the protection of military and civilian personnel in the Department of Defense from an influenza pandemic, including an avian influenza pandemic.

S.Amdt.2301 to H.R.3010 - To increase funds to the Thurgood Marshall Legal Educational Opportunity Program and to the Office of Special Education Programs of the Department of Education for the purposes of expanding positive behavioral interventions and supports.

S.Amdt.2605 to S.2020 - Expressing the sense of the Senate that the Federal Emergency Management Agency should immediately address issues relating to no-bid contracting.

S.Amdt.2930 to S.2349 - To clarify that availability of legislation does not include nonbusiness days.
S.Amdt.3144 to S.Con.Res.83 - To provide a $40 million increase in FY 2007 for the Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program and to improve job services for hard-to-place veterans

S. Amdt 41 to S. 1 To require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged.

+reps to you sir. very good information. i always wandered what he had actually passed in the senate or did in general

[osnap]

did you really need to quote that whole post?

[blacknightteg]

yes. yes i did haha!

[Vteckidd]

Im republican, but i find myself more and more in the middle.

Im unhappy with the current political system, im not a Mccain supporter, Hillary scares me, Obama terrifies me.

Tony i dont see anything you posted as being "WOW". Thats a pretty lack luster typical NORMAL record compared to other more qualified people.

Same with HIllary

[tony]

Lets talk experience for a second, Barack is either on par or above Lincoln, Reagan, G.W Bush, Carter and Kennedy as far as political experience goes.

Take it a step further and talk Judgement vs Experience.

James Buchanan - Arguably the most experienced President and he essentially led the country to a Civil War

Richard Nixon - Probably the most experienced president of our generation and he left the presidency in shame. No explanation needed.

Andrew Johnson - 15 years of experience and pretty much killed Lincoln's legacy. The only other president to be Impeached, we know who the other is.

Now.. the flip side of that, less experience..

Frankin Roosevelt - One of the least experienced presidents in history, relatively new to politics and the longest serving president ever.. 4 terms and presided during WWII.

Woodrow Wilson
Theodore Roosevelt
Ulysses Grant was very inexperienced and was plagued with corruption but still made history for his efforts.
Lincoln (ironically, a politician from Illinois)
Truman
Jefferson
And Eisenhower.. all relatively new to the executive branch of government.

Kind of strange but.. when you look at it experience seems to have NOTHING to do with what makes a president great but rather their judgement in time of crisis.

Lincoln had ZERO experience in wartime or military but presided the country over what was the most pivotal period of time in the Civil War.

[tony]

So.. now that I've probably wasted my time getting that info. Hillary will not be the running mate but will be a part of Obama's Cabinet. Expect Bill Richardson to be Obama's running mate.. he has international experience, a governor AND hispanic.. revolutionary for not only an African American but also a Hispanic on the ticket.

This only turns into a black/white thing when the people/media make it out to be that. Check the transcripts and you'll never hear Obama draw a line on race, if anything he pushes to close that gap.

[tony]

Tony i dont see anything you posted as being "WOW". Thats a pretty lack luster typical NORMAL record compared to other more qualified people.

Then you're saying he's on par with those more qualified correct? Show me a political record that is impressive to you over the span of 2 years cause I would love to see the comparison.

[twinj]

Obama is obvious the better canidate.

[osnap]

Obama is obvious the better canidate.

im on your side here, dont get me wrong, but a post like this is honestly worthless. back it up, dude.

[BanginJimmy]

Obama has said yes to the right bills, but he hasnt lived up to them. He is still asking for nearly 100 million in earmarks.
He still voted for the farm bill which was mostly earmarks.
He voted for the Iraq funding bill than was more than 60% earmarks that didnt send a penny to Iraq or anything involved with iraq.

And in over 3 years he had 1 bill enacted? That a pretty lackluster record.

[Lizbiz101]

Damn Tony you killin um!!!! Obama may not have the experience everyone seems to want him to have but in is legislations he has tried to do more for the sake of the people. And I think that is why so many people like him. He is giving America back to its people. Change is definitely what we need right now especially after the 8 years in hell we’ve had. We also have the race between Markel Hutchins who’s only 31 years old and 68 year old John Lewis who is been there since the beginning. You can see America is ready for something new, and I am really excited to see what’s going to happen.

[twinj]

im on your side here, dont get me wrong, but a post like this is honestly worthless. back it up, dude.

Yea I know. I am at work so can't really make a Bio. IMO he is the one that is in the streets working for the people. The other two canidate (McCain-another bush), Hillary(is just power hungry and seem to be saying anything to get in there.)

[Blitanicle99]

Everyone talks about how tho Obama has no experiance and neither did other presidents.

I think its a huge issue of times have changed. Our society cannot be run by someone who doesn't know what they are doing. Our country will fall fast if that happens. Maybe 50 years ago, this was acceptable. Today it isnt. Presidents need some kind of experiance and I personally think military should be one of them.

[wantboost]

He is giving America back to its people.

[MistaCee]

Im republican, but i find myself more and more in the middle.

Im unhappy with the current political system, im not a Mccain supporter, Hillary scares me, Obama terrifies me.

Tony i dont see anything you posted as being "WOW". Thats a pretty lack luster typical NORMAL record compared to other more qualified people.

Same with HIllary

So you are more afraid of Obama and Hillary than McCain? You must have really loved the last 8 years huh.

[Nerdsrock22]

What is there to fear about McCain? He is the most generic, lackluster, mediocre Republican presidential hopeful of our generation.

And to those of you who are voting for "change we can believe in", enjoy your brand new Nanny State. Where liberty is thrown out the window so you can live your lives, depending on the government for every single need.

Face it. We're Screwed '08.

*on a re-read that seems very ranting...just worried about America *

[tony]

Everyone talks about how tho Obama has no experiance and neither did other presidents.

I think its a huge issue of times have changed. Our society cannot be run by someone who doesn't know what they are doing. Our country will fall fast if that happens. Maybe 50 years ago, this was acceptable. Today it isnt. Presidents need some kind of experiance and I personally think military should be one of them.

By your rationale EXPERIENCE wasn't necessary at a time when this country was at war with itself, when a race of people were being killed in Germany, when our entire Western Fleet of our Navy was bombed, during the Greatest economic depression to ever hit this country but its OH SO important now? Do you even read or understand how serious this history is in this country? If you did something like that wouldn't even cross your mind. Our generation has seen nothing like the Civil War and as I said before Lincoln became historic for his judgement and his ability to adapt to the conditions rather than his experience.

Come with facts as to why experience (especially military) is important and not talking points lifted from the republican agenda. Some of you claim to expect substance from Obama but you don't even speak with it yourselves.

[Spektrewing386]

mccain isnt your regular mediocre republican... hes a different kind of republican. hes in the boundaries of neoconservatism. you can see that 10 years ago he wasnt, but look at him today, hes on the neoconservative side. Neoconservatism is the belief that america has the authority to have total global dominance and to supress those countries and people that go against their ways.

[Nerdsrock22]

Neoconservatism is the belief that america has the authority to have total global dominance and to supress those countries and people that go against their ways.

...false.

[Nerdsrock22]

Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States from the rejection of the social liberalism, moral relativism, and New Left counterculture of the 1960s.

-wiki

[Spektrewing386]

thats only the history of its origin, you have not said a definition.




"Neoconservatism emphasizes foreign policy as the paramount responsibility of government, maintaining that America's role as the world's sole superpower is indispensable to establishing and maintaining global order."



so what does it mean to you?

[Jaimecbr900]

Well Tony, as much as I respect your opinion and you've always shown to really know your stuff.....you didn't give a focused synopsis on Barrack.

If you look at all those "bills", it would SEEM that it was A: All thought up by Mr. Obama, or B: that they all had some kind of impact. Reality is that the overwhelming majority of ALL of those "bills" were #1 CO-SPONSORED (which means everything from Co-wrote to bandwagon jumping) by Obama and more importantly NOT passed into any meaningful laws. They either got stuck in committee or vetoed by Bush. He did get a bunch of resolutions and BS fluffer legislature passed either tagged along with other bills or as stand alone resolutions. Things so earth shattering as "National and Global Youth service day" and resolution to wish a fellow Senator "a speedy recovery from surgery"..... This is what the Barrack camp would proudly stand behind as part of an elustrive resume of legislative stances????? Kidding me, right?

So, yes, technically and historically Barrack Obama has CO-SPONSORED a ton of things and even got 2 things that HE sponsored passed and approved. But in reality, most of the things he's done in almost 10 yrs of politics add up to a lot of "puffing the goods" IMO.

BTW, you can always look everything up for yourselves in the Library of Congress. Here's the link:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/thomas

Seriously, how come the CEO of a major company has to have all these qualifications to lead a company, yet everyone wants to gloss over the FACT that one of the contenders to lead this COUNTRY is a relative unknown. Is that always a bad thing? Maybe not. Maybe so.

My reservations about Obama stem from his views on National Security and his Socialist background. I don't like that. Not for someone that is supposed to be a representation of what I believe in and stand for. FOR ME, it's not a good fit.

[Nerdsrock22]

valid point my friend. But. I would probably examine it from a less biased standpoint. I don't think Bush or any of his Neo-cons are interested in Global Dominance. As evidence of that, I throw out that American has never conquered another nation. I used conquered to denote defeating a country and taking solitary political and economic control of said nation.

That being said, I'm no neo-con so I'm not into all this nation-building anyways.

[Spektrewing386]

cheney and rumsfeld were the backseat drivers of these wars so i can blame them the most.

[Nerdsrock22]

not to sound like Toby Keith or whoever...but have you forgotten about the whole terrorism/9-11 thing? Now I'm not saying there weren't other "incentives", but you do realize there are people there who want you dead right?

[Jaimecbr900]

BTW, I didn't intend this thread to be some kind of platform for Mccain for 08 thing. I really wanted to see just how truly informed Obama supporters are about what's going on now and happen in the future.

I mean when I saw the other night on TV people literally counting down like it was New Year's eve and boo-hoo crying when it was announced......I just have to try and understand what all the hoopla is about. To be honest, I don't think most of his supporters even know.

[Spektrewing386]

i was talking about iraq war and the whole set your sights on iran issues.

attacking the taliban and al-qaeda is the correct thing to do and every one in the political spectrum agrees, but the invasion of iraq is a a product of backseat drivers whispering into Bush's ear.

My point is that many people support Obama so they dont have to live with McCain

[Nerdsrock22]

Fair enough. While there were alot of people pointing to Iraq (left, right, all over the world), I'm still not postive it was crucial to the "War on Terror". Especially with the budget it has accrued as of recent. Furthermore, while the Iranian dictator is dangerous, I think his bark is worse than his bite for now. Jumping into another "lets turn another historically tyrant-ruled nation into a democracy overnight" would be a terrible idea.

[Nerdsrock22]

My point is that many people support Obama so they dont have to live with McCain

many people support McCain so they don't have to live with Obama.

I support revolution so I don't have to live with either.

[Spektrewing386]

exactly, people want a change in direction from current shoot now ask questions later policy where billions of dollars are lost. People are not afraid of foreign threats anymore because to many of us it is just crying wolf. People want to trust the government again.


I think people are going hoopla and stuff just because this tense year long struggle is finally over. a democratic primary that lasts as long as 30% of a presidental term... thats a long time.. and we dont have to deal with it anymore and we can finally move on.

[Nerdsrock22]

which is why Ron Paul should be president.

[Spektrewing386]

i like many of ron's ideas, but somethings i dont like. what i extremely dont like is how the media has blocked him out.