Obama won, now what?

[Total_Blender]

Control of nations doesn't have to be overtly implemented or even solitary. Ever hear of neocolonialism? When we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan we installed governments that were more in keeping with American interests than those that were there previously. Both Iraq and Afghanistan have important roles in the global market. Opium poppies in Afghanistan (used in the making of pharmeceuticals) and oil in Iraq. It is in US national interests to ensure that those markets are open to Western capatalists.

And also, theres the issue of Guantanamo. some in our current administration believe that the US has the right to imprison and even torture foreign nationals without charging them with any offense and without giving them legal representation.

Barack's record is on par with other beginning senators, there really isn't that much a senator can do in a single term. Its not fair to compare his accomplishments with those of someone who has been in congress for 30+ years.

He's not my first choice, I would have perferred Dennis Kucinich but he's way too far left for middle America. Hopefully Barack will pick John Edwards as his running mate. The vice president is really just as important as the president because of the VP's role in the senate.

[Nerdsrock22]

I've seen a lot more grassroot support for Ron Paul than I have for McCain. People are tired of the Republican party as it stands now. The Right needs more than homophobic democrats.

[Total_Blender]

I've seen a lot more grassroot support for Ron Paul than I have for McCain. People are tired of the Republican party as it stands now. The Right needs more than homophobic xenophobic warmongering eavesdropping pro-torture social darwinists.

fixed it for you

[Spektrewing386]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/

and Afghanistan have important roles in the global market. Opium poppies in Afghanistan (used in the making of pharmeceuticals)

I dont believe that afghanistan was part of some secret plan, no one really cares about opium. The Afghanistan issue spans back about 30 years around 1979 with the Soviet invasion. And that butterfly effected into Sept 11, 2001.

[Nerdsrock22]

fixed it for you

that makes you a terrorist round these parts son.

[Spektrewing386]

I mainly want to know who will be in Obama's cabinet, because those have huge influence on what goes on.

[Vteckidd]

Well Tony, as much as I respect your opinion and you've always shown to really know your stuff.....you didn't give a focused synopsis on Barrack.

If you look at all those "bills", it would SEEM that it was A: All thought up by Mr. Obama, or B: that they all had some kind of impact. Reality is that the overwhelming majority of ALL of those "bills" were #1 CO-SPONSORED (which means everything from Co-wrote to bandwagon jumping) by Obama and more importantly NOT passed into any meaningful laws. They either got stuck in committee or vetoed by Bush. He did get a bunch of resolutions and BS fluffer legislature passed either tagged along with other bills or as stand alone resolutions. Things so earth shattering as "National and Global Youth service day" and resolution to wish a fellow Senator "a speedy recovery from surgery"..... This is what the Barrack camp would proudly stand behind as part of an elustrive resume of legislative stances????? Kidding me, right?

So, yes, technically and historically Barrack Obama has CO-SPONSORED a ton of things and even got 2 things that HE sponsored passed and approved. But in reality, most of the things he's done in almost 10 yrs of politics add up to a lot of "puffing the goods" IMO.

BTW, you can always look everything up for yourselves in the Library of Congress. Here's the link:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/thomas

Seriously, how come the CEO of a major company has to have all these qualifications to lead a company, yet everyone wants to gloss over the FACT that one of the contenders to lead this COUNTRY is a relative unknown. Is that always a bad thing? Maybe not. Maybe so.

My reservations about Obama stem from his views on National Security and his Socialist background. I don't like that. Not for someone that is supposed to be a representation of what I believe in and stand for. FOR ME, it's not a good fit.

see this is what is in my head, jaime just puts it into words for me lol

[Vteckidd]

You must have really loved the last 8 years huh.

Tell me someone that could have done something BETTER

THe clinton era prospered because of BUSH SR

you want to point the finger, CLinton had the opportunity to take down Bin Laden and DIDNT. We were attacked because CLINTON REFUSED TO TAKE OUT OBAMA.

So we were attacked an things changed. The last 8 years have been fine for me.

ill expand more this evening

[Spektrewing386]

We were attacked because CLINTON REFUSED TO TAKE OUT OBAMA.

i think you mean Osama.

[Nerdsrock22]

i think you mean Osama.

Freudian slip.

[tony]

Well Tony, as much as I respect your opinion and you've always shown to really know your stuff.....you didn't give a focused synopsis on Barrack.

If you look at all those "bills", it would SEEM that it was A: All thought up by Mr. Obama, or B: that they all had some kind of impact. Reality is that the overwhelming majority of ALL of those "bills" were #1 CO-SPONSORED (which means everything from Co-wrote to bandwagon jumping) by Obama and more importantly NOT passed into any meaningful laws. They either got stuck in committee or vetoed by Bush. He did get a bunch of resolutions and BS fluffer legislature passed either tagged along with other bills or as stand alone resolutions. Things so earth shattering as "National and Global Youth service day" and resolution to wish a fellow Senator "a speedy recovery from surgery"..... This is what the Barrack camp would proudly stand behind as part of an elustrive resume of legislative stances????? Kidding me, right?

So, yes, technically and historically Barrack Obama has CO-SPONSORED a ton of things and even got 2 things that HE sponsored passed and approved. But in reality, most of the things he's done in almost 10 yrs of politics add up to a lot of "puffing the goods" IMO.

BTW, you can always look everything up for yourselves in the Library of Congress. Here's the link:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/thomas

Seriously, how come the CEO of a major company has to have all these qualifications to lead a company, yet everyone wants to gloss over the FACT that one of the contenders to lead this COUNTRY is a relative unknown. Is that always a bad thing? Maybe not. Maybe so.

My reservations about Obama stem from his views on National Security and his Socialist background. I don't like that. Not for someone that is supposed to be a representation of what I believe in and stand for. FOR ME, it's not a good fit.

This is really all I want.. challenge the man on his policy and get informed. My issue comes from manufactured situations used to scare people not to vote for him. If you don't want to vote for Barack.. let it be because he wants windfall profit taxes on Oil Corps, don't do it because you think Michelle Obama is not patriotic or he wont wear a lapel pin.

I take the same issue for those who support Obama only because he is black or because Hillary is a woman.

[quickdodge®]

He is giving America back to its people.

That is a tear of joy. He thank Obama for setting shiit straight.

Later, QD.

[Nerdsrock22]

^^^ He's been fightin' terrorists since 1492.

[quickdodge®]

^^^ I'll be the first to admit that I'm a biitch when it comes to politics, but I do know what I posted above is a true response to the comment I quoted. Later, QD.

[Lucky DAWG]

Damn Tony you killin um!!!! Obama may not have the experience everyone seems to want him to have but in is legislations he has tried to do more for the sake of the people. And I think that is why so many people like him. He is giving America back to its people. Change is definitely what we need right now especially after the 8 years in hell we’ve had. We also have the race between Markel Hutchins who’s only 31 years old and 68 year old John Lewis who is been there since the beginning. You can see America is ready for something new, and I am really excited to see what’s going to happen.

completely retarded statement.


have you read Obama's book "Dreams of my father", Ann Coulter did an article on it that sums it up pretty well.

Its pretty much 300 pages about how the white man has put him down and he expresses a lot of anger on racial issues.




when was a time in the past when we saw a big political leader with great rhetoric skills write a book like that, Mein Kampf... ring a bell?




I don't like McCain, but Obama is seriously going to put the country in the ****ter, its really about the lesser of two evils at this point, i personally would have gone with Rudy over anyone else.

He has no experience

i will lead an exodus to canada in november if things go sour.
pm me for details on wagon prices.

[Nerdsrock22]

i will lead an exodus to canada in november if things go sour.
pm me for details on wagon prices.

Canada is already more socialist than we are. I don't think that would be a good move for you.

^^^ I'll be the first to admit that I'm a biitch when it comes to politics, but I do know what I posted above is a true response to the comment I quoted. Later, QD.

Dude I'm all about Native rights. They got effed pretty dang hard.

[Lucky DAWG]

Canada is already more socialist than we are. I don't think that would be a good move for you.



Dude I'm all about Native rights. They got effed pretty dang hard.

hmmmmm.........
Germany???

[Total_Blender]

have you read Obama's book "Dreams of my father", Ann Coulter did an article on it that sums it up pretty well.
.

Did you read his book yourself or did you just read Ann Coulter's review? Because Ann Coulter is about as credibile a source as a shetland pony on meth.

[Nerdsrock22]

I think America is still your best bet as far as liberty goes. Unless you head to some small tropical island a la Micronesia.

[ueyedgr8tness]

rEPS to tony for doing his homework unlike most these ppl

[Lucky DAWG]

Did you read his book yourself or did you just read Ann Coulter's review? Because Ann Coulter is about as credibile a source as a shetland pony on meth.

i've read parts, not start to finish... he gets pretty worked up on it, dark aspects you don't want to see coming out from a presidential candidate.


I don't want to see some one in power though who is going to make even more social programs that we can't afford especially right now. I wait for the day of fair tax and no affirmitive action.

[Total_Blender]

Tell me someone that could have done something BETTER

Al Gore (no, seriously)

[Total_Blender]

I don't want to see some one in power though who is going to make even more social programs that we can't afford especially right now. .

As opposed to someone who creates social programs and doesn't fund them (No Child Left Behind, anyone?)

Don't even get me started on the "Fair" Tax...... it will create more problems than it will solve.

[Nerdsrock22]

name 1.

[Lucky DAWG]

As opposed to someone who creates social programs and doesn't fund them (No Child Left Behind, anyone?)

Don't even get me started on the "Fair" Tax...... it will create more problems than it will solve.

you mean by boosting the economy and creating jobs that everyone moans about there is a lack of?



federal funding for education has increased by time and a half, so i don't know where the first part came from.

[osnap]

Ann Coulter? .... *shudder*

The antichrist herself.

[Lucky DAWG]

Ann Coulter? .... *shudder*

The antichrist herself.

shes pretty biased
but CNBC is the real antichrist

[osnap]

Actually chase, don't pretend like i don't know. its YOU. YOU'RE the antichrist.

[Lucky DAWG]

Actually chase, don't pretend like i don't know. its YOU. YOU'RE the antichrist.

you give away my plan...














... i take your first born son...

[Lizbiz101]

have you read Obama's book "Dreams of my father", Ann Coulter did an article on it that sums it up pretty well.

Its pretty much 300 pages about how the white man has put him down and he expresses a lot of anger on racial issues.

i will lead an exodus to canada in november if things go sour.
pm me for details on wagon prices.

Being the strong black woman that I am.....That is awesome, I should read that book. And please hurry up and go to Canada. Obama 08 John McCain who??

[Lucky DAWG]

Being the strong black woman that I am.....That is awesome, I should read that book. And please hurry up and go to Canada. Obama 08 John McCain who??

fuel to the fire for Obama's fall

[CobraClone]

Being the strong black woman that I am.....That is awesome, I should read that book.

So, by that, are you saying that you are racist and enjoy others speaking the same way. Is this why you want him to be president? Because you share the same views?

Hate will never extinguish hate. (As had been stated more times than anything ever need be said) It only adds fuel to the fire.

I could never vote for someone who has the background Obama has. I do not beleive I need to give examples. They have been listed too many times already. If you haven't realized by now that he will NOT unite this country then nothing anyone says will make you realize this.

I do not like either of the candidates, but I will vote for the lesser of two evils.

[Total_Blender]

you mean by boosting the economy and creating jobs that everyone moans about there is a lack of?.

Well you are right on one part... it will create jobs. The conservatives complain about how the IRS is a huge beauraucracy. Well the IRS sends checks once a year (and those stimulus packages every now and then). Imagine the further beauraucracy needed to send out checks once a month to all Americans below the poverty line as the proponents of the Fair Tax suggest.

Also, I thought it was the goal of the conservatives to get poor people off of monthly government checks... now they want to put all poor people on them. What gives?

And Ann Coulter should give up writing/speaking and pose for Hustler magazine while she is still somewhat attractive. Note that I said Hustler, because Playboy expects their models to have at least a little class.

[.::UNKNOWN::.]

see the whole race thing is touchy for me..... i am not racist....... i am 1/2 American Indian...... i still have family over in Oklahoma and that is where my mom's side of the family comes from... if any body should have remorse to white people it should be the American Indians that where marched out of there homelands and put in a small section of land where they all had to live..... that is why the american indian population is dwendled to almost nothing..... i hate the fact bc i have a white skin toned i am looked at as automaticly i owned slaves and i am the biggest racist ever.... my family on my dad's side where sharecroppers (legalized slavery) and my mom's side was marched to a unknown land and was told to stay that is my whole take on racial issues

[.::UNKNOWN::.]

Well you are right on one part... it will create jobs. The conservatives complain about how the IRS is a huge beauraucracy. Well the IRS sends checks once a year (and those stimulus packages every now and then). Imagine the further beauraucracy needed to send out checks once a month to all Americans below the poverty line as the proponents of the Fair Tax suggest.

the fair tax also will abolish the irs and april 15th.... the monthly check will be like getting your tax refund for the whole year split up into 12 months.... the fair tax will also give you the option to support things if you want by buying new goods and not support things by not buying anything.... so in other words you don't want to fund the war go under the radar grow your own food, don't buy anything make your clothes and the government will not get any tax money from you..... the current tax code is so complicated it isn't funny..the repulicans aren't complaining fair tax supporters can't get a republican to even consider the bill except one mike huckabee that is why i am a libertarian bob barr 08... and hey i would like all of my paycheck to do what i want with it, if i sell a house i don't want to pay capital gains taxes on the profit(which they are the lowest they have been in years), if i save for retirement in a 401k i don't want to pay taxes on that when i recive it..... like i say all the time to each his own

[Total_Blender]

A lot of white people are proud of their heritage and will tell you how their ancestors fought in the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, etc. They will tell you stories about how their ancestors migrated from Germany, Scotland, Ireland, wherever.

I wonder how we (and I do include myself here) would react if we were told by society to "get over it" and that our struggles, our heritage, and our culture are not special, not necessary, not valid.

.........

And for those of you who oppose affirmative action.... on your next application, where it asks for your race... just check off "black" if you feel like blacks have an advantage.

[Total_Blender]

and hey i would like all of my paycheck to do what i want with it,

Have fun paying 30% more for goods and services. And I really doubt most people in America are capable of growing their own food anymore. I've tried that before and its hard work, not to mention you have to own land to grow food on.

And Bob Barr? Is that some kinda joke? I'd vote for Gary Coleman before I'd vote for him. Hey..... is Gary Coleman running this year? He was a serious contender is the California Governor's race last year

[.::UNKNOWN::.]

and no the price wont go up 30 percent you need to read the legislation before making ASSumptions..... under the fair tax all corporate tax burdens will be abolished(before anybody says ohs noes tax cut for the rich) with the tax burdens taking away which as of right now the tax burden is 30 percent..... that means the cost of making the good has went down 30 percent...... so that is where they ad the 30 percent for taxes...... so instead of getting your paycheck taxed right at 25-30 percent then going and buying a good that a giant mega corporation has passed off the tax burden they have on to you and getting taxed at a whole total of lets just say 60 percent you get one tax burden of 30 percent..... and the comment of growing your own food... it isn't that hard the problem of people today they want everything already done for them.... everybody is lazy.... hell it isn't that hard to grow food yeah it involves work but hey if it saves you money to put into your car i think it is well worth it

[Lucky DAWG]

So, by that, are you saying that you are racist and enjoy others speaking the same way. Is this why you want him to be president? Because you share the same views?

Hate will never extinguish hate. (As had been stated more times than anything ever need be said) It only adds fuel to the fire.

I could never vote for someone who has the background Obama has. I do not beleive I need to give examples. They have been listed too many times already. If you haven't realized by now that he will NOT unite this country then nothing anyone says will make you realize this.

I do not like either of the candidates, but I will vote for the lesser of two evils.

my point exactly man.
i'm conservative, but its so obvious how bad Obama is.





he resembles so much characters like Hitler, Stalin, and Castro. Great public speakers with beautiful and inspiring rhetroic who come from the outside of the centralized government with new, fresh ideas who appear as "liberators"... but they really have agendas fueled with hate from a troubled background.



if history can teach us anything, its to avoid characters like Obama, i don't know how many times we need the same lesson again and again.

[Spektrewing386]

i dont think Obama is looking to start any world wars like hitler and stalin did, thats mccain's job.