WTF is Hillary thinking???

[BanginJimmy]

Obama sponsored a earmark bill, yet he has never missed a chance to drop some pork in. His current total is 53 pork projects worth over $97,400,000.

Hillary made sure she wasnt outdone though 281 projects that cost me and you over $296,200,000.

McCain 0 projects for $000,000,000.

He also voted for the new iraq appropriations bill that was more than 60% earmarks NOT intended for Iraq or our tropps over there.


source:
http://www.cagw.org/site/DocServer/S...pdf?docID=3024

[ash7]

I'm just curious Jonathan, whats his voting record since you know it so well? And how long has Obama been in a political position? Because its longer than just a first term senator.. and longer than Hillary as well.

See, this is why I turned away from conservative views. A lot of people with those beliefs argue with flawed logic and misleading statements rather than facts, I'm giving you FACTS here.

These "Socialist" programs you speak of in theory was not the answer to the Depression and I'll agree that had it not been for the war it probably would have made things work. But in the grand scheme of things the programs were much needed back then but a bit outdated today and need reform.

Nobody is perfect and even the greatest of presidents have made mistakes but again, their legacy is not defined by how they presided but how they responded in the time of crisis. I think FDR did pretty well considering he didn't have a laundry list of experience.

Tony, you seem to believe that Obama is a prime candidate; a sort of "diamond in the rough..." Well, to state the FACTS (as you like to quote I see) here is another one:

In 1999, Barack Obama was faced with a difficult vote in the Illinois legislature — to support a bill that would let some juveniles be tried as adults, a position that risked drawing fire from African-Americans, or to oppose it, possibly undermining his image as a tough-on-crime moderate.

In the end, Mr. Obama chose neither to vote for nor against the bill. He voted “present,” effectively sidestepping the issue, an option he invoked nearly 130 times as a state senator.

Sometimes the “present" votes were in line with instructions from Democratic leaders or because he objected to provisions in bills that he might otherwise support. At other times, Mr. Obama voted present on questions that had overwhelming bipartisan support.

Although a present vote is not unusual in Illinois from what I have been able to research, Obama’s use of it can be raised as he tries to distinguish himself as a leader who will take on the tough issues, even if it means telling people the “hard truths” they do not want to hear; which is highly questionable at this point.

Obama’s aides and some allies dispute the characterization that a present vote is tantamount to ducking an issue. They said Mr. Obama cast 4,000 votes in the Illinois Senate and used the present vote to protest bills that he believed had been drafted unconstitutionally or as part of a broader legislative strategy. An examination of Illinois records shows at least 36 times when Mr. Obama was either the only state senator to vote present or was part of a group of six or fewer to vote that way. In more than 50 votes, he seemed to be acting in concert with other Democrats as part of a strategy.

In my opinion, a "present" vote gives one political cover, especially if they are concerned about an upcoming election. (which he clearly was) In effect, it allows the candidate to take a stand on either side of the isle of a certain issue depending on the national opinion at the time. a true leader takes a stand on his convictions regardless of what the polls say.

All of the current candidates have issues with this - and none are true leaders. Let's please not get into a laundry list of legislation that "my guy or your guy" passed or proposed. If anything, McCain would have the longest list of "positive" bills as he has been in congress longer than the other two candidates combined.

-jonathan

[ash7]

Lastly, McCain has a crazy-ass pastor too, so go ahead and just toss the whole "crazy pastor" argument out the window.

John Hagee and Rod Parsely retracted their endorsements of John McCain; aside from that fact - there is no comparison to Jeremiah Wright's relationship with Obama. John McCain had met Parsely 3 weeks before he spoke at the event where he endorsed him. And John Hagee's comments were met with immediate denunciation - whereas it took Obama saying that "abandoning Rev. Wright would be to abandon the black community"... three weeks later - he does just that.

The official notes that Rev. Wright married Obama, baptized his children and has served as his spiritual adviser for 20 years, whereas McCain received Parsley’s endorsement at one event and has never attended his service.

-jonathan

[tony]

Tony, you seem to believe that Obama is a prime candidate; a sort of "diamond in the rough..." Well, to state the FACTS (as you like to quote I see) here is another one:

In 1999, Barack Obama was faced with a difficult vote in the Illinois legislature — to support a bill that would let some juveniles be tried as adults, a position that risked drawing fire from African-Americans, or to oppose it, possibly undermining his image as a tough-on-crime moderate.

In the end, Mr. Obama chose neither to vote for nor against the bill. He voted “present,” effectively sidestepping the issue, an option he invoked nearly 130 times as a state senator.

Sometimes the “present" votes were in line with instructions from Democratic leaders or because he objected to provisions in bills that he might otherwise support. At other times, Mr. Obama voted present on questions that had overwhelming bipartisan support.

Although a present vote is not unusual in Illinois from what I have been able to research, Obama’s use of it can be raised as he tries to distinguish himself as a leader who will take on the tough issues, even if it means telling people the “hard truths” they do not want to hear; which is highly questionable at this point.

Obama’s aides and some allies dispute the characterization that a present vote is tantamount to ducking an issue. They said Mr. Obama cast 4,000 votes in the Illinois Senate and used the present vote to protest bills that he believed had been drafted unconstitutionally or as part of a broader legislative strategy. An examination of Illinois records shows at least 36 times when Mr. Obama was either the only state senator to vote present or was part of a group of six or fewer to vote that way. In more than 50 votes, he seemed to be acting in concert with other Democrats as part of a strategy.

In my opinion, a "present" vote gives one political cover, especially if they are concerned about an upcoming election. (which he clearly was) In effect, it allows the candidate to take a stand on either side of the isle of a certain issue depending on the national opinion at the time. a true leader takes a stand on his convictions regardless of what the polls say.

All of the current candidates have issues with this - and none are true leaders. Let's please not get into a laundry list of legislation that "my guy or your guy" passed or proposed. If anything, McCain would have the longest list of "positive" bills as he has been in congress longer than the other two candidates combined.

-jonathan

Is it sidestepping or compromise? Obama has said that voting Present was neither supporting or opposing a bill but rather saying "Lets work on this, there are a few things in the Bill I do not like but that is not to say I will not support it, it just needs to be revised." I'll take that leadership any day over simplying veto'n a bill because you don't like it.

Look, we can go down the list of all the issues everyone has with Obama but its funny, half this stuff McSame isn't held to the same standard. How about his voting record? Bills he's proposed... I shoot down anything you guys put up and it doesnt get acknowledged that maybe you were wrong, you'd rather just move on to another manufactured issue.

And McCain actively seeked Hagee's endorsement so that makes him just as liable.

[ash7]

Is it sidestepping or compromise? Obama has said that voting Present was neither supporting or opposing a bill but rather saying "Lets work on this, there are a few things in the Bill I do not like but that is not to say I will not support it, it just needs to be revised." I'll take that leadership any day over simplying veto'n a bill because you don't like it.

Look, we can go down the list of all the issues everyone has with Obama but its funny, half this stuff McSame isn't held to the same standard. How about his voting record? Bills he's proposed... I shoot down anything you guys put up and it doesnt get acknowledged that maybe you were wrong, you'd rather just move on to another manufactured issue.

And McCain actively seeked Hagee's endorsement so that makes him just as liable.

I'm glad you're confident in your opinions - but you're "shooting down" what "us guys" put up with your opinion rather than facts. These "manufactured issues" you speak of are brought out into the mainstream by the same media that supports Obama - so how are they "fake" and "manufactured?"

Please point out the post where I said McCain was a viable candidate for me... I don't support him either. Hagee endorsed McCain and he accepted it at first - then Hagee fired off something at the hip and it was shot down instantly by the McCain campaign. You comparing that to Obama's minister is not even close.

-jonathan

[Mik2006]

GOTTA KEEP THE WHITE HOUSE WHITE!

That, my furry little friend, is what I was referring to when I made my statement above. You know, one of those "ha ha" things. Don't get your panties in a twist.

Not that it matters, but Obamas middle name is infact Hussein and his father is Muslim.

...just saying...

lol

[Blitanicle99]

Heres the deal.

First off, OBAMA is a retard. Complete retard. He knows absolutely nothing about politics. He knows nothing about our country.
He said we have 56 states. ARE YOU F***ING KIDDING ME? And this guy is running for president? WTF.
He clearly knows absolutely nothing about health care either because he claims to be able to put everyone on free health care... and lower taxes. WHERE THE F*** does that money come from genius?.... TAXES!!!!!!

I could go on for hours. Literally hours.

Second off. Hillary is a joke. Its a politcal joke. Its got to be. Clinton was a low lying sack of dog crap and so is his wife. Clinton is a feminist ****. She also knows absolutely nothing about the way taxes and health care works. She also is an enviomentalist. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO PAY 10 DOLLARS A GALLON FOR GAS? Does that sound like a good idea to you?

Jesas Tapdancing Khrist. (For the religious)

Finally McCain. Yes, McCain is another Bush. Yes the man might be a P.O.W. but you know what, that man knows how to run the god damn military like it should be run and get our boys what they need. Clinton and Obama would **** the soliders over more than they are already being ****ed for. Yes McCain just raise question in my mind of where things might go if he gets elected.

However, atleast theres a chance McCain would do this right. I know for damn sure Obama and Clinton would **** our country up so bad its not even funny.

I seriously think Obama would get assasinated. I think Clinton might have it coming to. The difference is Obama would become a matar. And I for damn sure will not be called a racist for disagreing with the president who would be black. In this day and age, doing that would make me a racist and I am NOT dealing with that **** for 4 years. END OF STORY. GAME OVER.

[Spektrewing386]

that man knows how to run the god damn military like it should be run and get our boys what they need.

what they need is to get most of them out of iraq.




also, mccain has said that he doesnt know much about economics. gas tax holiday? what a useless joke.

the amount of money and effort we have spent on iraq? 12 billion a month...

i think theres only 2 primaries left... then the nominees will have face on debates and we will see whos better. it will be close, very close i can tell.

[tony]

The difference is Obama would become a matar.

And I for damn sure will not be called a racist for disagreing with the president who would be black. In this day and age, doing that would make me a racist and I am NOT dealing with that **** for 4 years. .

When referring to someone as a retard its a good idea not to come off as one yourself.

[Blitanicle99]

When referring to someone as a retard its a good idea not to come off as one yourself.

Explain further.