Who's the biggest Villain Sadam or Bush?

[OneSlow5pt0]

their has been 3k US deaths in the war

[Atlanta_521]

YES!



By your reasoning, we should stop trying to catch murderers, rapists, drug dealers, etc because they might shoot and kill a cop. Since we don't want any cops to die, we should not persue them.

Would that be worth it?

Your logic is cloudy buddy.
Think of it as killing every single murder, rapist, drug dealer, etc.

I just think a much more diplomatic approach could have been taken by the government to prevent war. WE WERE THE AGRESSORS.

IF SADAM HAD TO BE TAKEN OUT WE SURE AS HELL FUCKED UP ON THE TIMING.

[1000cckiller]

im almost 3 years older than you

I was in high school and had friends and family actually going into military at the time, not in 5th grade

you were born in 1987, I was born in 1980 do the math how are you three years older than me.

[Mike Lowrey]

where does it say you have to kill people to be a villain

Where are your facts/details that show Bush fitting any of the definition of a villian.


~awaits facts~

[2.0civic]

I found atlanta 521's mug shot

[OneSlow5pt0]

Your logic is cloudy buddy.
Think of it as killing every single murder, rapist, drug dealer, etc.

I just think a much more diplomatic approach could have been taken by the government to prevent war.

sounds like a good plan to me,id vote for the pres that did that

[2.0civic]

you were born in 1987, I was born in 1980 do the math how are you three years older than me.

my bad, lol im going blind..i thought it said december 1989

[tony]

I wouldn't necessarily call Bush a hero but a Villain? I'm sure it depends on who you ask, I wish he was as adamant about dealing with domestic issues than pushing democracy across the world. The irony of it is that the U.S itself is not a true democracy.

Saddam.. this will piss some of you off but I do not think he was a direct threat to the U.S and there are a lot of politics in what happened to him. Should he have suffered for what he did? Yes.. but I'm not 100% on whether it was our responsibility.

[ShooterMcGavin]

sadam has killed over 500k people........i doubt the iraq toll is any way round that

props to him for helping keep world population in check?

[2.0civic]

Your logic is cloudy buddy.
Think of it as killing every single murder, rapist, drug dealer, etc.

I just think a much more diplomatic approach could have been taken by the government to prevent war. WE WERE THE AGRESSORS.

IF SADAM HAD TO BE TAKEN OUT WE SURE AS HELL FUCKED UP ON THE TIMING.

sounds like a plan to me...otherwise, we spend more money for them to sit and get 3 hots and a cot...fuck that...eye for an eye and this world would be better off

[OneSlow5pt0]

sounds like a plan to me...otherwise, we spend more money for them to sit and get 3 hots and a cot...fuck that...eye for an eye and this world would be better off

lol,same thing i said

[Atlanta_521]

sounds like a plan to me...otherwise, we spend more money for them to sit and get 3 hots and a cot...fuck that...eye for an eye and this world would be better off

An Eye For An Eye Makes The Whole World Blind. Ghandi FTW

[2.0civic]

I wouldn't necessarily call Bush a hero but a Villain? I'm sure it depends on who you ask, I wish he was as adamant about dealing with domestic issues than pushing democracy across the world. The irony of it is that the U.S itself is not a true democracy.

Saddam.. this will piss some of you off but I do not think he was a direct threat to the U.S and there are a lot of politics in what happened to him. Should he have suffered for what he did? Yes.. but I'm not 100% on whether it was our responsibility.

Although i disagree with you, atleast you presented it in a respectable manner

[2.0civic]

An Eye For An Eye Makes The Whole World Blind. Ghandi FTW

Oh well..so be it

[Mike Lowrey]

Your logic is cloudy buddy.
Think of it as killing every single murder, rapist, drug dealer, etc.

My logic stands just fine. Re-read.

I just think a much more diplomatic approach could have been taken by the government to prevent war. WE WERE THE AGRESSORS.

Were we? What about the attack on Kuwait? What about ignoring the sactions by the UN? You may want to think about that statement a little more.

IF SADAM HAD TO BE TAKEN OUT WE SURE AS HELL FUCKED UP ON THE TIMING.

Well, we should not have stopped short of getting Saddam back in the early '90's. I have always thought that to be a BIG mistake. Had we continued until he was gone, there are a lot of things that would have been better.

[OneSlow5pt0]

yep,we shouldnt havent cut and ran in desert storm

[ShooterMcGavin]

Well, we should not have stopped short of getting Saddam back in the early '90's. I have always thought that to be a BIG mistake. Had we continued until he was gone, there are a lot of things that would have been better.

agreed, 100%. but going back in before afghanistan was taken care of was a HUGE fucking mistake. one that we're still paying for now and the ppl of iraq and afghanistan are also paying for.

[Atlanta_521]

The middle east has always been a big pile of shit. Had we left it alone we wouldn't be sitting in shit now would we? Maybe they'd flick some shit at us from afar but a bit of shit is better than a lot of shit.

[1000cckiller]

my bad, lol im going blind..i thought it said december 1989

its cool, I like debating about issues. All of yall some cool people though.

[2.0civic]

The middle east has always been a big pile of shit. Had we left it alone we wouldn't be sitting in shit now would we? Maybe they'd flick some shit at us from afar but a bit of shit is better than a lot of shit.

and gas would be $10 a gallon

[OneSlow5pt0]

i can tell u one thing,we would be in worse shape right now if kerry was preident

[Atlanta_521]

and gas would be $10 a gallon

That's when I say fuck wild life and drill Alaska and make peace with Venezuela. God knows Latin America needs the $ more than the middle east.

[1000cckiller]

I wouldn't necessarily call Bush a hero but a Villain? I'm sure it depends on who you ask, I wish he was as adamant about dealing with domestic issues than pushing democracy across the world. The irony of it is that the U.S itself is not a true democracy.

Saddam.. this will piss some of you off but I do not think he was a direct threat to the U.S and there are a lot of politics in what happened to him. Should he have suffered for what he did? Yes.. but I'm not 100% on whether it was our responsibility.

I completely agree with you Tony and you know that rarely happens. Sadam should have suffered without a doubt, but that wasnt our problem to solve, the U.N. should have dealt with that.

[1000cckiller]

i can tell u one thing,we would be in worse shape right now if kerry was preident

now I do agree with that.

[Mike Lowrey]

The middle east has always been a big pile of shit. Had we left it alone we wouldn't be sitting in shit now would we? Maybe they'd flick some shit at us from afar but a bit of shit is better than a lot of shit.

There is so much stupidity here, I will not waste my time disecting it.

[Mike Lowrey]

I completely agree with you Tony and you know that rarely happens. Sadam should have suffered without a doubt, but that wasnt our problem to solve, the U.N. should have dealt with that.

The UN would still be trying to figure out what to do.

[Jaimecbr900]

Was it worth it? Invading Iraq? What have we gained? What have been the opportunity costs?


THE FUCKING DEATHS BECAUSE OF THIS WAR SUPER-EXCEED ANYTHING THAT SADDAM HAS AND COULD HAVE DONE.

You have absolutely no clue about this and it seems many other subjects.

Since when does HUNDREDS of THOSANDS of people that Saddam has killed compare to the 3300 or so U.S. casualties??? Obviously our public school math programs need a lot of work if that's your logic.

Saddam has been clawing his way up the ranks since he nothing but a worthless street thug in the 50's and 60's. Do you even know that he murdered THOUSANDS of people? Do you not know that he was tried, convicted, and sentenced to death for only 148 of those? Do you even know that he TAUGHT his sons the acts of torture, rape, and murder when they were pre-teens?

You sir are a very misinformed and immature youth that needs to learn how to think for yourself and do your own research. Here, I'll help you get started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein

Read a little bit of that. Read a lot more that is out there. Quit listening to whatever misinformed people you are listening to because they have no clue what reality is as neither do you.

[Mike Lowrey]

i can tell u one thing,we would be in worse shape right now if kerry was preident

Thank you, Captain Obvious!

lol j/p

I agree 100%

[OneSlow5pt0]

and when we say the people sadam killed were talking bout men women and kids,that were raped and tortued to death....not being shot in battle

[Atlanta_521]

The UN would still be trying to figure out what to do.

That's better than where we're at now. It's not like Sadam was going to start slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and launching nuclear missles.


*lets not forget the civilian causalties in Iraq..

[2.0civic]

The UN would still be trying to figure out what to do.

which is why we had to go do everything

Jaime with yet another excellent post

[ShooterMcGavin]

and what exactly ARE we doing? things aren't any better since we've arrived there and we have no good plan on how to get the fuck out....sitting and deciding what to do w/o having sunk in a shit ton of money and lives doesn't seem so bad at all if u ask me

[Mike Lowrey]

That's better than where we're at now. It's not like Sadam was going to start slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and launching nuclear missles.

You are still lost. Saddam is dead. That is better than him being alive and able to kill more people.

[Atlanta_521]

My point is this war is nothing but loss-loss..
The Sunnis and shi'ites will fight till the death after we leave.

[TIGERJC]

No doubt Saddam is the biggest Villain.

Bush started a war on a lie and with no real plan, and now we are stuck there just trying to keep Iraq from going completely into chaos. Now Iraq is a bigger threat to us than when Saddam was in power. Is Bush a awful president? Yes, but even his stupidity cant even come close to the horrors Saddam has committed.

[OneSlow5pt0]

also,the guys i know in the special forces,told me that the Iraq people love the americans and want them to stay and help them rebuild the country..they dont want them out

[tony]

I completely agree with you Tony and you know that rarely happens. Sadam should have suffered without a doubt, but that wasnt our problem to solve, the U.N. should have dealt with that.

A couple of things to remember when it comes to Iraq and Saddam:

The Reagan administration aided Iraq with $40 Billion during the Iran-Iraq conflict. Iran could have taken care of this supposed problem before Desert Storm, strange that we now see Iran as a threat.

People like to think George Sr. and George W. are similar but when it came to the conflict in Iraq they could not be any more different. During Desert Storm we went in working multilaterally with other countries, the objective was to keep Iraq out of Kuwait.. not go after Saddam so those who complain about not getting the job done the first time, blame Sr for not going out on a limb.

[ShooterMcGavin]

You are still lost. Saddam is dead. That is better than him being alive and able to kill more people.

lol, but at least w/saddam alive, ppl KNEW who was out to get them and kill them. now they don't have the slightest fucking clue, it could be any fuckhead extremist suicide bomber hitting up markets, schools, police stations...

[ShooterMcGavin]

A couple of things to remember when it comes to Iraq and Saddam:

The Reagan administration aided Iraq with $40 Billion during the Iran-Iraq conflict. Iran could have taken care of this supposed problem before Desert Storm, strange that we now see Iran as a threat.

People like to think George Sr. and George W. are similar but when it came to the conflict in Iraq they could not be any more different. During Desert Storm we went in working multilaterally with other countries, the objective was to keep Iraq out of Kuwait.. not go after Saddam so those who complain about not getting the job done the first time, blame Sr for not going out on a limb.

nothing new there, just like how the US used to give funds and equipment to afghan "freedom fighters" when they were combating the russians...

[Jaimecbr900]

The middle east has always been a big pile of shit. Had we left it alone we wouldn't be sitting in shit now would we? Maybe they'd flick some shit at us from afar but a bit of shit is better than a lot of shit.

You are a moron of infinite proportions.

Exactly how "far" is NY? Where did the 9/11 terrorists COME FROM, genius? Middle East, right? So how can you even remotely say that they would only "flick shit from AFAR" when they came HERE to kill THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE?

You are a true blue Democrat. You would have us pacify and sit on our hands while they plot to come over, yet again, and kill thousands more all in the name of "world peace"..... Sounds more like a canned beauty pageant answer to me than a solution.

The U.N. sat and did nothing, the rest of the world sat and did nothing, what RESULTS did that net us? NOTHING. He did what he damn well pleased and told every damn person he could that's EXACTLY what he was doing. That's part of why Saddam was so popular to Arabs was BECAUSE he "stood up" to the big bad Westerners. So just like any other ego maniac, he played right into that by proclaiming his own intentions and turning them around to be a "Holy war" against the West who is trying to take away our religion and peaceful way of being...... ....HITLER used the exact same propaganda to help his own cause too.

You have no clue what you are talking about. Go back and read the link I gave you in my last post, maybe you'll learn something finally.