How about we all come to the mutual agreement that the war was a fuck up?
Bush
Sadam
How about we all come to the mutual agreement that the war was a fuck up?
also,what if we would have never fought in WW2...this might be United states of Germany
I will agree with you here garfieldOriginally Posted by TIGERJC
Just a second now... Exactly what are you advocating here?You are a moron of infinite proportions.
Exactly how "far" is NY? Where did the 9/11 terrorists COME FROM, genius? Middle East, right? So how can you even remotely say that they would only "flick shit from AFAR" when they came HERE to kill THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE?
You are a true blue Democrat. You would have us pacify and sit on our hands while they plot to come over, yet again, and kill thousands more all in the name of "world peace".....Sounds more like a canned beauty pageant answer to me than a solution.
The U.N. sat and did nothing, the rest of the world sat and did nothing, what RESULTS did that net us? NOTHING. He did what he damn well pleased and told every damn person he could that's EXACTLY what he was doing. That's part of why Saddam was so popular to Arabs was BECAUSE he "stood up" to the big bad Westerners. So just like any other ego maniac, he played right into that by proclaiming his own intentions and turning them around to be a "Holy war" against the West who is trying to take away our religion and peaceful way of being......
You have no clue what you are talking about. Go back and read the link I gave you in my last post, maybe you'll learn something finally.
Have you ever wondered "what if" we talked and reasoned with these terrorist and fond out what the fuck they want. I'm pretty sure with the whole world watching they wouldn't say "we want America to die, dissapear, etc.. but then again who negotiates with terrorists? That's where we fuck up, what the hell do they want? Do they really just want to blow the U.S. to bits and peices? I don't think they'd say the same shit if we were to negotiate with them.
I stated that because everyone wants to point fingers but nobody wants to take responsibility. Saddam wouldn't have been as powerful if it wasn't for the U.S so yeah he may be a villain but in a lot of ways we empowered that villain.
Heres the thing, just as we didnt expect guerilla warfare in vietnam we are dealing with an enemy that doesn't care about humanity and they don't fight face to face. These people will lay dormant for years till America becomes comfortable again and all is good and then strike again. Domestic security should be the major issue, when a man with a life threatening disease is black listed and STILL makes it back into the country.. we have a greater problem than getting Iraq to adopt democracy.
do u not understand when u have a holy war,their is no way out but death
How about we negotiate to end this holy war so that death isn't the only way out.....
We'll give them their 72 virgins, a mosque, a Saab, budlight, and call it a day.
A couple of other things to remember too:
Who were the U.S. supposed to help? The country that had just kidnapped it's citizens and has been overthrown by radical Muslims or the country fighting against that??? It's a very logical answer. Would you of rather fight one weakened country 20 yrs later or 2 strong united countries then? It would have been WWIII.
The reason why Sr. had the backing of other countries in Gulf War I was because Iraq INVADED Kuwait. We beat their ass then. They surrendered. They signed a treaty which outlined specifically what they HAD to do. They didn't do it. 10 years later the U.N. was still playing pacifist about it. 10 damn years later. Not 1, not 5, 10 damn years to comply and STILL didn't. The U.N. is to blame for Iraq more than anyone else. Had THEY done what they are there TO do, this wouldn't be a unilateral fight.....it would be called Gulf War II. But as it is, the U.S. was the only one that was willing to go out on that preverbial limb and do what SHOULD have been done long ago.
Rules and laws have to have teeth or they are not worth the paper they're printed on. U.N. sanctions have no teeth. This is why countries like Iraq, Iran, N.Korea, China, and Russia wipe their asses with "U.N. sanctions". Hell, I would too if I were them. What consequences do they get? Worse interest on loans from world banks, no aid for a little bit, no voice in the U.N., maybe a bigwould really hurt their feelings????
we were part of the problem because we was one of the countries that provided him with chemical weapons. so yes we are part of the problem that made him a villian. But is it not true that Bush sr. and osama had dealings with each other before. Before Jr came to office.
You are surely the dumbest person I have ever seen.
What do the terrorists want? The want the americans dead! Is that clear enough?
How do you negotiate or reason with someone who is declaring a "holy war" against the western people, and telling his own people that we want to take their religion? How to you reason with someone who is so "into" the cause that they will commit suicide just to kill americans?
I vote that you go over there and try to "negotiate" with the terrorists. I am curious how far you get.
Rich...Bob...Stan...?????
A couple of other things to remember too:
Who were the U.S. supposed to help? The country that had just kidnapped it's citizens and has been overthrown by radical Muslims or the country fighting against that??? It's a very logical answer. Would you of rather fight one weakened country 20 yrs later or 2 strong united countries then? It would have been WWIII.
The reason why Sr. had the backing of other countries in Gulf War I was because Iraq INVADED Kuwait. We beat their ass then. They surrendered. They signed a treaty which outlined specifically what they HAD to do. They didn't do it. 10 years later the U.N. was still playing pacifist about it. 10 damn years later. Not 1, not 5, 10 damn years to comply and STILL didn't. The U.N. is to blame for Iraq more than anyone else. Had THEY done what they are there TO do, this wouldn't be a unilateral fight.....it would be called Gulf War II. But as it is, the U.S. was the only one that was willing to go out on that preverbial limb and do what SHOULD have been done long ago.
Rules and laws have to have teeth or they are not worth the paper they're printed on. U.N. sanctions have no teeth. This is why countries like Iraq, Iran, N.Korea, China, and Russia wipe their asses with "U.N. sanctions". Hell, I would too if I were them. What consequences do they get? Worse interest on loans from world banks, no aid for a little bit, no voice in the U.N., maybe a big
i really wish we wernt with them,but we might need thier help one day
lol,
You are surely the dumbest person I have ever seen.
What do the terrorists want? The want the americans dead! Is that clear enough?
How do you negotiate or reason with someone who is declaring a "holy war" against the western people, and telling his own people that we want to take their religion? How to you reason with someone who is so "into" the cause that they will commit suicide just to kill americans?
I vote that you go over there and try to "negotiate" with the terrorists. I am curious how far you get.
Hey, im from America...BOOM! dead,lol
Yes that is true, but if the U.N. doesnt step their ass up something needs to be done with them. Because we dont need to fight others battles because it can cause us problems in the long run.A couple of other things to remember too:
Who were the U.S. supposed to help? The country that had just kidnapped it's citizens and has been overthrown by radical Muslims or the country fighting against that??? It's a very logical answer. Would you of rather fight one weakened country 20 yrs later or 2 strong united countries then? It would have been WWIII.
The reason why Sr. had the backing of other countries in Gulf War I was because Iraq INVADED Kuwait. We beat their ass then. They surrendered. They signed a treaty which outlined specifically what they HAD to do. They didn't do it. 10 years later the U.N. was still playing pacifist about it. 10 damn years later. Not 1, not 5, 10 damn years to comply and STILL didn't. The U.N. is to blame for Iraq more than anyone else. Had THEY done what they are there TO do, this wouldn't be a unilateral fight.....it would be called Gulf War II. But as it is, the U.S. was the only one that was willing to go out on that preverbial limb and do what SHOULD have been done long ago.
Rules and laws have to have teeth or they are not worth the paper they're printed on. U.N. sanctions have no teeth. This is why countries like Iraq, Iran, N.Korea, China, and Russia wipe their asses with "U.N. sanctions". Hell, I would too if I were them. What consequences do they get? Worse interest on loans from world banks, no aid for a little bit, no voice in the U.N., maybe a big
Exactly!
Rich...Bob...Stan...?????
If you don't get it by now, you never will.
You are a total idiot. You really are.Have you ever wondered "what if" we talked and reasoned with these terrorist and fond out what the fuck they want.
So if a burglar knocks on your door, YOU would rather reason with them and try to talk them out of YOUR hard earned property he is trying to STEAL because why.....you're an idiot????
Let me shoot your little dumbass theory right in the head with just one simple question: In your never never land ranch of a mind, just exactly WHO would you sit down at the table from the "terrorists" side?
You are even more an idiot. They say that NOW to anyone, including TV and the world, that is EXACTLY what they want. Are you really serious? Do you honestly live under a rock somewhere? What exactly do you think burning American flags and beheading American citizens on TV and dragging their bodies thru the streets leads YOU to believe they have ANY problems telling ANYBODY they want to kill ALL of us, including you. Where have you been in the last century???? You're a big fool if you honestly think the crap that is coming out of your mouth.I'm pretty sure with the whole world watching they wouldn't say "we want America to die, dissapear, etc..
Wow, now the other thread makes absolute sense. There really ARE people that are this stupid still left in the world.
Pansy Democrats like you.but then again who negotiates with terrorists?
You're an idiot if you really believe that load of shit that took did a 180 and came out the wrong hole.......That's where we fuck up, what the hell do they want? Do they really just want to blow the U.S. to bits and peices? I don't think they'd say the same shit if we were to negotiate with them.
yea,i hate to break it to people that dont know but 99% of the world hates the USA
That's perfect. My thoughts exactly Rich.
Ohs no!
Rich...Bob...Stan...?????
why is that, could it be that we start as allies with them, then the next week we are bombing them.
no,its cause we have such better lives than other counties
But we still ended up with a dictator that killed thousands, so was it really the right choice? On the other hand recently Iran has stuck its hand out to the U.S and we slapped it, Iran aided the U.S after 9/11 in the search for Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Iran wants to be a superpower like the U.S (which explains their interest in Nuclear Weapons) but contrary to what the media portrays they do not hate us. I know that hindsight is 20/20 but I don't think Saddam really needed billions of dollars in aid from us.
Which is one of my issues, if the U.S is going to act unilaterally then why adhere to the Geneva Convention? Why care how prisoners are being treated? It goes back to domestic policy, nothing to do with Iraq. If you're going to do it half assed then why do it at all...The reason why Sr. had the backing of other countries in Gulf War I was because Iraq INVADED Kuwait. We beat their ass then. They surrendered. They signed a treaty which outlined specifically what they HAD to do. They didn't do it. 10 years later the U.N. was still playing pacifist about it. 10 damn years later. Not 1, not 5, 10 damn years to comply and STILL didn't. The U.N. is to blame for Iraq more than anyone else. Had THEY done what they are there TO do, this wouldn't be a unilateral fight.....it would be called Gulf War II. But as it is, the U.S. was the only one that was willing to go out on that preverbial limb and do what SHOULD have been done long ago.
I can't say where I stand, democrats want to pull funding which is asinine. Conservatives want to "stay the course" but that is obviously getting us nowhere.. this next election is so serious that words cannot begin to express it, I just hope we elect the right one.
well the US is gonna be fucked cause i think cliton is gonna win
x1,000,000
Rich...Bob...Stan...?????
And you know why, right? Because they all listen to the same media that thinks the U.N. is the ONLY thing that makes sense.
They all think that the U.S. is in Iraq to get cheap oil prices. They all think that the U.S. meddles into other countries affairs, yet when THEY are getting bombed by some extreme group that wants to take THEM over.....WHO do they call FIRST???? THE U.S.
I say we keep a list of all the countries that back us up and the countries that don't. When one of those countries that don't back us up asks for our help.....I say give the a great bigand let them get bombed off the face of the earth. Now, how is that U.N. taste again???
The problem we have in this world is that we have way too many sissified pansy pacifists like Atlanta_521 that think that if we ignore the 800lb Gorilla in the room, he'll play nice with us and be our buddy like in the cartoons in our heads.......and then they wake up one day and wonder, "Gee, what happened? Why did this guy bomb me? I didn't see that coming..." Well no shit Dick Tracy, you had your EYES CLOSED dumbass.
There's a reason why we're at where we are now. Terrorist aren't savages either, they KNOW they can't take down the U.S. from afar. What have they done? Brought us into their home field and are slowly but surely fucking up an entire generation of soldiers who could be doing something other than being target practice.
And you know why, right? Because they all listen to the same media that thinks the U.N. is the ONLY thing that makes sense.
They all think that the U.S. is in Iraq to get cheap oil prices. They all think that the U.S. meddles into other countries affairs, yet when THEY are getting bombed by some extreme group that wants to take THEM over.....WHO do they call FIRST???? THE U.S.
I say we keep a list of all the countries that back us up and the countries that don't. When one of those countries that don't back us up asks for our help.....I say give the a great big
The problem we have in this world is that we have way too many sissified pansy pacifists like Atlanta_521 that think that if we ignore the 800lb Gorilla in the room, he'll play nice with us and be our buddy like in the cartoons in our heads.......and then they wake up one day and wonder, "Gee, what happened? Why did this guy bomb me? I didn't see that coming..." Well no shit Dick Tracy, you had your EYES CLOSED dumbass.
i agree,everytime we invade..its because they want our help..and useally the US people get word of this and say we should go help...then year later everyone want outs...
a group of people are dumb
You say that is if they're happy we're there.. trust me they arent. If anything they cannot wait for us to leave.
the everyday normal iraq person wants us there...not the terrorists
Hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20. It's not fair to say that now. Then he was actually saving American lives by putting his own people to fight a fight we should have been fighting ourselves, again because politicians gave in to public opinion.
Why do you think they are wanting to be a "super power"? It is certainly no longer to defeat their nemesis Iraq. So why would they still want to be a "super power"???? Think about it.On the other hand recently Iran has stuck its hand out to the U.S and we slapped it, Iran aided the U.S after 9/11 in the search for Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Iran wants to be a superpower like the U.S (which explains their interest in Nuclear Weapons) but contrary to what the media portrays they do not hate us. I know that hindsight is 20/20 but I don't think Saddam really needed billions of dollars in aid from us.
I totally agree in a sense. Being humanitarian and civilized should be rewarded and not condemned. True in war there really are no rules, but once someone is no longer a threat to you, why should you become a murderer and a torturer like the people you are fighting against. At some point someone has to step up and end it.Which is one of my issues, if the U.S is going to act unilaterally then why adhere to the Geneva Convention? Why care how prisoners are being treated? It goes back to domestic policy, nothing to do with Iraq. If you're going to do it half assed then why do it at all...
Totally agree as long as you don't vote for the Hilldabeast.....I can't say where I stand, democrats want to pull funding which is asinine. Conservatives want to "stay the course" but that is obviously getting us nowhere.. this next election is so serious that words cannot begin to express it, I just hope we elect the right one.
How about we do just that. LEAVE. Iraq wasn't of concern to the American Public until the media blew it up. It sure as hell isn't going to be when we forget about it either. Take a look at Afghanistan, who the fuck remembers Afghanistan. I wouldn't be surprised if the average American citizen couldn't point out Iraq or Afghanistan without looking at the map for more than 3 minutes.
weather we stay or leave they are still going to kill each other, and in the long run destroy their own country.
Iraq will crumble if we leave...we are the only thing keeping it afloat
So we're going to have to babysit the country while getting shot at and watching the sunnis and shiites fight? The sooner we leave the less blame we'll get from the rest of the world when the entire country is in ruins.
if we can fix this country,the american deaths will be worth it
you dont believe that do you
Unfortunately republicans do not have a candidate strong enough to beat the democrats so a pullout is inevitable. The only one I like out of all of them is Mitt Romney anyway..
I believed Obama could beat Hillary but its not going to happen, did anyone see the debate? She says WE now.. as in her and Bill like they split the presidency. "WE balanced the budget" I'm sitting there like what the hell?
Back on topic, pulling out of Iraq is a double edged sword and be careful what you ask for because the problem will manifest when we leave. What we need is support from other nations to keep the middle east in check.
agreed, i dont see any republican id vote...but o,well im republican ill find some one,lol
Seriously, all bullshit aside.....you are a moron. Seriously. Never have I seen someone with as little knowledge think they know something.
Quit double talking. Many people have asked you, as I will again, to show your hand.....speak clearly as to WHY you say the bullshit that spews from your mouth.
WHERE exactly are "we" now, according to you? I'm willing to bet that you can't remotely and intelligently express a coherent paragraph about this. Wanna bet? That's probably because you have not a clue as to what you are regurgitating out of your young and immature mouth. You think that by repeating what someone else told you it makes YOU look smart. It doesn't, and your comments prove it.
Plato said it best:
Better to remain quiet and let them THINK you're a fool, than to open your mouth and prove it.
Really? I know that lots of civilized nations behead people that don't agree with their cause. I know lots of civilized people that blow themselves up in the name of martyrdom. I know lots of civilized people that willingly give up their children TO be blown up in order to receive a ticket to heaven. I know lots of civilized people that set bodies on fire and drag them through the streets to show their courage and conviction.Terrorist aren't savages either,
You're so smart, the terrorists all around the world are just wanting to borrow our damn Gray Poupon!!!!!! Damn, why didn't we think of that earlier.....
You are such a tard. Where exactly would you rather fight them, in your backyard? You're a tool. THEY certainly brought the fight to our front door on 9/11. Where do you propose we wait for them to strike next? I suppose you'd have us sit on our hands and wait until they did again, right? Maybe you'd suggest we wait until daddy U.N. gave us PERMISSION to defend ourselves too, huh?they KNOW they can't take down the U.S. from afar. What have they done? Brought us into their home field and are slowly but surely fucking up an entire generation of soldiers who could be doing something other than being target practice.
You haven't got a clue as to what you are talking about.
The price of those dead soldiers is uncomparable to what that country will ever become. They fought and died for freedom. Today more American soldiers will die and tommorow aswell. That country will never see freedom because of the fucking terrorists, and beleive me we're breeding more by just being there. Take a look at this. Tell me that kid won't grow up hating what America was doing over there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9A_vxIOB-I
Exactly.
The problem is we won't get it because the rest of the world is scared to act rather than react.
Is like that 800 lb Gorilla in the room. Everybody sees it, everybody is scared of it, but NOONE will step up and handle it so they think it will just go away on it's own if you ignore it long enough. That's the U.N.'s idealogy about it. "Just give them more time, they'll figure out we don't like that by the scowl on our faces".....
Again, if a law has no teeth and the police have no power, what is keeping everything in check? Nothing.
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