Who's the biggest Villain Sadam or Bush?

[1000cckiller]

LOL. I am typing too fast. Osama......

lol

[OneSlow5pt0]

exactly,would yall rather the USA be a pussy country that people just walk over...we have such a good life in the US we are trying to help other countries to be able to live like us


even though i think the US is way to PC

[Mike Lowrey]

Acutally you might want to check yours, because if you pay attention to all the media, and other news sources, it was stated that sadam had nothing to do with 9/11. 9/11 has no issue hear.

See my last post. I do beleive that 911, does have issue here.

Also I believe they are both villains. We are not the world police,we have our own problems that need to be handled here.

Yes, we have problems here. The attack was a problem HERE. The previous terrorist attacks were problems HERE. We also have several other problems in the US that need attention, but that does not mean you can ignore the killing of several thousand people!

The US has been "meddling" in other countries for many years. They have surely meddled too much on several instances. i.e. Saddam. The US chose sides, supplied him weapons and he took over control of the country. We basically took the lesser of two evils at the time. That is not the first time we have done this.

[Jaimecbr900]

What_lag: you are so misinformed is scary.

People need to quit being herded by the biased media and learn to read and reason on their own. The media is twisted to the far left, therefore they will never show you things down the middle because that doesn't sell.

Exactly HOW is Bush a "villain"? Explain your thought process on that.

Exactly HOW is Saddam NOT?

How many people has BUSH killed with his own hands?

How is the world BETTER off WITH Saddam than with Bush?

How come when Bush did what his advisers TOLD him to, i.e. they have WMD's so let's go after them, he has to take all the blame YET when he learned his lesson and is trying to FINISH a job HIS FATHER and BILL no balls CLINTON didn't finish W/O the backing of those same "advisers" who now are merely trying to do "damage control" for THEIR initial screw up......suddenly BUSH is the bad guy??? What would any of YOU do if YOUR buddy told you something that ended up being a lie? Would you listen to him again? Would you do what he wanted you to do again? Why should the President do any different?

Bottomline is that WMD's or not, Saddam not only violated the surrender treaty HE signed when we were kicking his ass back in 91, but he also violated a million other HUMAN RIGHTS thoroughout his decades of terror on not only his own people but neighboring countries. What purpose does someone like that serve? Why shouldn't he be dethroned? Do you think he would've gone quietly??? It's obvious you and many others don't know HOW Saddam came to power......well, he not only murdered his opposition, but also betrayed even his own family members to get to the top.

So if you have even an ounce of common sense, you would know the answer to this question rather easily. There is no comparison between the two.

[Mike Lowrey]

Hypnotoad brings up yet another valid point..

Unless im not retaining my info correctly, how many UN sanctions did sadaam violate?? too bad the US was the only country with balls enough to do anything about it

x1,000

The UN can be a joke sometimes. They put in place sanctions, they are ignored, and the UN doesn't know what to do.....

[JoeCoolinATL]

This is my last question for a minute. I want to know who ya'll think the biggest villain is, is it Bush or Sadam. After watching the special on National Geographic last night, I saw how much of a villain sadam was. But in my eyes Bush is a villain too. Bush to me lead us to a war for reasons people still dont know, and has pretty much turn his party against him. Sadam was a villain to his own people which to me that is his own countries fault, for allowing him to abuse them. Our country can't be the police for everyone's problems. I would like to hear others imput.

wow
i swear to god kids these days are some of the most uninformed/horribly educated / believe mtv as news generation. i pity our future.

[1000cckiller]

But on the real, how many of ya'll have had friends die in this war, I have had three. Its not cool, but I have many other friends in the army, who dont agree with the war either. There are other groups fighting in Iraqi because they want independence. Also in Sadams later years as President he only had control of 2/3 of his country, the rest were rebeling against him.

[OneSlow5pt0]

also i think it was bout 2001 when all the people wanted to go to war,it reminded me of what happened when everyone wanted to go to war in vietnam.

[1000cckiller]

What_lag: you are so misinformed is scary.

People need to quit being herded by the biased media and learn to read and reason on their own. The media is twisted to the far left, therefore they will never show you things down the middle because that doesn't sell.

Exactly HOW is Bush a "villain"? Explain your thought process on that.

Exactly HOW is Saddam NOT?

How many people has BUSH killed with his own hands?

How is the world BETTER off WITH Saddam than with Bush?

How come when Bush did what his advisers TOLD him to, i.e. they have WMD's so let's go after them, he has to take all the blame YET when he learned his lesson and is trying to FINISH a job HIS FATHER and BILL no balls CLINTON didn't finish W/O the backing of those same "advisers" who now are merely trying to do "damage control" for THEIR initial screw up......suddenly BUSH is the bad guy??? What would any of YOU do if YOUR buddy told you something that ended up being a lie? Would you listen to him again? Would you do what he wanted you to do again? Why should the President do any different?

Bottomline is that WMD's or not, Saddam not only violated the surrender treaty HE signed when we were kicking his ass back in 91, but he also violated a million other HUMAN RIGHTS thoroughout his decades of terror on not only his own people but neighboring countries. What purpose does someone like that serve? Why shouldn't he be dethroned? Do you think he would've gone quietly??? It's obvious you and many others don't know HOW Saddam came to power......well, he not only murdered his opposition, but also betrayed even his own family members to get to the top.

So if you have even an ounce of common sense, you would know the answer to this question rather easily. There is no comparison between the two.

When did I say Sadam wasnt a villain. also you dont have to kill people to be a villain.

[Atlanta_521]

I think the question to be asked is if it would have been better off for the U.S. NOT to have invaded Iraq.
Personally I think we should have stayed in Afghanistan and obliterated Al-qaeda before invading any other country that sponsored terrorism. (not that there's proof available to the public that Iraq was indeed a breeding ground for terrorists)

[1000cckiller]

wow
i swear to god kids these days are some of the most uninformed/horribly educated / believe mtv as news generation. i pity our future.

Buddy how old are you, and what possible have you been through. I dont get shit from mtv nor do i believe in mtv. And for most people all get their facts from pretty much the same places, they just might not retain it the same way.

[Mike Lowrey]

But on the real, how many of ya'll have had friends die in this war, I have had three. Its not cool, but I have many other friends in the army, who dont agree with the war either.

No, I do not know anyone who has died in the war. Are you blaming their deaths on Bush? Your friends wanted to serve their country, and eventually died for their country. I respect every man and woman in the military as they maintain my freedom.

There are other groups fighting in Iraqi because they want independence. Also in Sadams later years as President he only had control of 2/3 of his country, the rest were rebeling against him.

Um, Saddam is a dictator, not a president. He was not elected.

[2.0civic]

But on the real, how many of ya'll have had friends die in this war, I have had three. Its not cool, but I have many other friends in the army, who dont agree with the war either. There are other groups fighting in Iraqi because they want independence. Also in Sadams later years as President he only had control of 2/3 of his country, the rest were rebeling against him.

if they dont agree with it, they shouldnt have enlisted

If i enlist in the services i WANT to go kick some ass.

BTW, Ive had two marine friends die also...by IED's

[1000cckiller]

I think the question to be asked is if it would have been better off for the U.S. NOT to invade Iraq. Personally I think we should have stayed in Afghanistan and obliterated Al-qaeda before invading any other country that sponsored terrorism. (not that there's proof available to the public that Iraq was indeed a breeding ground for terrorists)

I agree with you there, but we just invade somalia because they supposedly were haboring terroist

[OneSlow5pt0]

No, I do not know anyone who has died in the war. Are you blaming their deaths on Bush? Your friends wanted to serve their country, and eventually died for their country. I respect every man and woman in the military as they maintain my freedom.



Um, Saddam is a dictator, not a president. He was not elected.

hate to tell people in this thread but Sadam= hitler in the middle east,lol

[2.0civic]

No, I do not know anyone who has died in the war. Are you blaming their deaths on Bush? Your friends wanted to serve their country, and eventually died for their country. I respect every man and woman in the military as they maintain my freedom.

x2

Fuckers enlist thinking "sweet, ill take the $xxxx go to college and not have to do shit but sit on my ass after basic"

Ignorant ass people

[OneSlow5pt0]

also i know 4 people in special forces and couple in marines and all of them are all for the cause have been through the thick of the Iraq war

[2.0civic]

I agree with you there, but we just invade somalia because they supposedly were haboring terroist

go watch black hawk down again

You really need to go take a 80's-2000 history course

[1000cckiller]

Man there are tons of people who dont agree with it in the service, but they have to do their job weather they believe in it or not.

[OneSlow5pt0]

lol,think their needs to be a 1942-07 leason,

[2.0civic]

Man there are tons of people who dont agree with it in the service, but they have to do their job weather they believe in it or not.

its as simple as this...dont agree with it, dont enlist...

If you enlisted after 01, you knew what you were getting into

[JoeCoolinATL]

Buddy how old are you, and what possible have you been through. I dont get shit from mtv nor do i believe in mtv. And for most people all get their facts from pretty much the same places, they just might not retain it the same way.

how old am i?
older than the majority of the users.
what have i been thru/where have i been?
lots. lots.

[Atlanta_521]

Was it worth it? Invading Iraq? What have we gained? What have been the opportunity costs?


THE FUCKING DEATHS BECAUSE OF THIS WAR SUPER-EXCEED ANYTHING THAT SADDAM HAS AND COULD HAVE DONE.

[OneSlow5pt0]

also Bush hates black people......................LOL

[2.0civic]

Was it worth it? Invading Iraq? What have we gained? What have been the opportunity costs?


THE FUCKING DEATHS BECAUSE OF THIS WAR SUPER-EXCEED ANYTHING THAT SADDAM has AND COULD HAVE DONE.

how many people did sadaam kill?? How many troops have died?? i can almost gurantee the ratio is close to 100:1 if not higher

[Mike Lowrey]

Man there are tons of people who dont agree with it in the service,

You may have to sit down for this one....

No everyone will agree with every decision that the government makes.

but they have to do their job weather they believe in it or not.

because, that is what they signed up to do.

[2.0civic]

Was it worth it? Invading Iraq? What have we gained? What have been the opportunity costs?


THE FUCKING DEATHS BECAUSE OF THIS WAR SUPER-EXCEED ANYTHING THAT SADDAM HAS AND COULD HAVE DONE.

you were like 10 when the war started...your opinion doesnt count

[Atlanta_521]

how many people did sadaam kill?? How many troops have died?? i can almost gurantee the ratio is close to 100:1 if not higher

SO ONLY THE LIVES OF THE TROOPS MATTER? Think civilian casualties and those tramautized by the ongoing war!

[2.0civic]

You may have to sit down for this one....

No everyone will agree with every decision that the government makes.



because, that is what they signed up to do.

no way......

[OneSlow5pt0]

sadam has killed over 500k people........i doubt the iraq toll is any way round that

[2.0civic]

SO ONLY THE LIVES OF THE TROOPS MATTER? Think civilian casualties and those tramautized by the ongoing war!

LOL and their lives were better before we went?

LIRLOLOLOLOL im dying here...If we pull out, that country is going to go to hell

[1000cckiller]

you were like 10 when the war started...your opinion doesnt count

umm you were just a young also. youngn

[1000cckiller]

LOL and their lives were better before we went?

LIRLOLOLOLOL im dying here...If we pull out, that country is going to go to hell

that country is still hell with us there.

[Mike Lowrey]

Was it worth it? Invading Iraq? What have we gained? What have been the opportunity costs?

YES!

THE FUCKING DEATHS BECAUSE OF THIS WAR SUPER-EXCEED ANYTHING THAT SADDAM HAS AND COULD HAVE DONE.

By your reasoning, we should stop trying to catch murderers, rapists, drug dealers, etc because they might shoot and kill a cop. Since we don't want any cops to die, we should not persue them.

Would that be worth it?

[OneSlow5pt0]

YES!



By your reasoning, we should stop trying to catch murderers, rapists, drug dealers, etc because they might shoot and kill a cop. Since we don't want any cops to die, we should not persue them.

Would that be worth it?

lol,i couldnt be a cop..cause i would put a cap in the first fucker that ran

[2.0civic]

umm you were just a young also. youngn

im almost 3 years older than you

I was in high school and had friends and family actually going into military at the time, not in 5th grade

[1000cckiller]

sadam has killed over 500k people........i doubt the iraq toll is any way round that

more like 300k, but thats still bad too.

[Jaimecbr900]

When did I say Sadam wasnt a villain. also you dont have to kill people to be a villain.

When you asked the original question. I don't think you really know what the definition of "villain" is.

Here it is:

vil·lain
–noun
1. a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime; scoundrel.
2. a character in a play, novel, or the like, who constitutes an important evil agency in the plot.


Just exactly what part of that definition fits Bush? In turn, does #1 not fit Saddam like a glove? So again, I don't think you realize what the true definition of what you're asking is.

I think you don't agree with the war. That is perfectly fine and acceptable, but what you really should ask yourself is not so much WHY we went to war with Iraq as much as HOW the U.S. and the rest of the world (a world that was too coward to make Saddam abide by the rules yet now will benefit from US doing it) will be better off w/o this guy.

BTW, your friends have to understand that when they enlisted in the Armed Forces their Commander-in-Chief is the President. Like it or not, that's the chain of command. If he says fight, you fight. So if they're not happy doing what their superiors tell them to, they certainly got into the wrong line of work. With that said, I still respect every enlisted person for doing something a lot of us choose not to do.

[Mike Lowrey]

more like 300k, but thats still bad too.

Do ya think?!


[/SARCASM]

[1000cckiller]

When you asked the original question. I don't think you really know what the definition of "villain" is.

Here it is:

vil·lain
–noun
1. a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime; scoundrel.
2. a character in a play, novel, or the like, who constitutes an important evil agency in the plot.


Just exactly what part of that definition fits Bush? In turn, does #1 not fit Saddam like a glove? So again, I don't think you realize what the true definition of what you're asking is.

I think you don't agree with the war. That is perfectly fine and acceptable, but what you really should ask yourself is not so much WHY we went to war with Iraq as much as HOW the U.S. and the rest of the world (a world that was too coward to make Saddam abide by the rules yet now will benefit from US doing it) will be better off w/o this guy.

BTW, your friends have to understand that when they enlisted in the Armed Forces their Commander-in-Chief is the President. Like it or not, that's the chain of command. If he says fight, you fight. So if they're not happy doing what their superiors tell them to, they certainly got into the wrong line of work. With that said, I still respect every enlisted person for doing something a lot of us choose not to do.

where does it say you have to kill people to be a villain