Who's the biggest Villain Sadam or Bush?

[Jaimecbr900]

When did I say Sadam wasnt a villain. also you dont have to kill people to be a villain.

When you asked the original question. I don't think you really know what the definition of "villain" is.

Here it is:

vil·lain
–noun
1. a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime; scoundrel.
2. a character in a play, novel, or the like, who constitutes an important evil agency in the plot.


Just exactly what part of that definition fits Bush? In turn, does #1 not fit Saddam like a glove? So again, I don't think you realize what the true definition of what you're asking is.

I think you don't agree with the war. That is perfectly fine and acceptable, but what you really should ask yourself is not so much WHY we went to war with Iraq as much as HOW the U.S. and the rest of the world (a world that was too coward to make Saddam abide by the rules yet now will benefit from US doing it) will be better off w/o this guy.

BTW, your friends have to understand that when they enlisted in the Armed Forces their Commander-in-Chief is the President. Like it or not, that's the chain of command. If he says fight, you fight. So if they're not happy doing what their superiors tell them to, they certainly got into the wrong line of work. With that said, I still respect every enlisted person for doing something a lot of us choose not to do.

[1000cckiller]

When you asked the original question. I don't think you really know what the definition of "villain" is.

Here it is:

vil·lain
–noun
1. a cruelly malicious person who is involved in or devoted to wickedness or crime; scoundrel.
2. a character in a play, novel, or the like, who constitutes an important evil agency in the plot.


Just exactly what part of that definition fits Bush? In turn, does #1 not fit Saddam like a glove? So again, I don't think you realize what the true definition of what you're asking is.

I think you don't agree with the war. That is perfectly fine and acceptable, but what you really should ask yourself is not so much WHY we went to war with Iraq as much as HOW the U.S. and the rest of the world (a world that was too coward to make Saddam abide by the rules yet now will benefit from US doing it) will be better off w/o this guy.

BTW, your friends have to understand that when they enlisted in the Armed Forces their Commander-in-Chief is the President. Like it or not, that's the chain of command. If he says fight, you fight. So if they're not happy doing what their superiors tell them to, they certainly got into the wrong line of work. With that said, I still respect every enlisted person for doing something a lot of us choose not to do.

where does it say you have to kill people to be a villain

[OneSlow5pt0]

lol,and the gold

[OneSlow5pt0]

world police = United Nations,so its not just USA

[2.0civic]

Hypnotoad brings up yet another valid point..

Unless im not retaining my info correctly, how many UN sanctions did sadaam violate?? too bad the US was the only country with balls enough to do anything about it

[Mike Lowrey]

Hypnotoad brings up yet another valid point..

Unless im not retaining my info correctly, how many UN sanctions did sadaam violate?? too bad the US was the only country with balls enough to do anything about it

x1,000

The UN can be a joke sometimes. They put in place sanctions, they are ignored, and the UN doesn't know what to do.....

[OneSlow5pt0]

exactly,would yall rather the USA be a pussy country that people just walk over...we have such a good life in the US we are trying to help other countries to be able to live like us


even though i think the US is way to PC

[JoeCoolinATL]

This is my last question for a minute. I want to know who ya'll think the biggest villain is, is it Bush or Sadam. After watching the special on National Geographic last night, I saw how much of a villain sadam was. But in my eyes Bush is a villain too. Bush to me lead us to a war for reasons people still dont know, and has pretty much turn his party against him. Sadam was a villain to his own people which to me that is his own countries fault, for allowing him to abuse them. Our country can't be the police for everyone's problems. I would like to hear others imput.

wow
i swear to god kids these days are some of the most uninformed/horribly educated / believe mtv as news generation. i pity our future.

[1000cckiller]

wow
i swear to god kids these days are some of the most uninformed/horribly educated / believe mtv as news generation. i pity our future.

Buddy how old are you, and what possible have you been through. I dont get shit from mtv nor do i believe in mtv. And for most people all get their facts from pretty much the same places, they just might not retain it the same way.

[JoeCoolinATL]

Buddy how old are you, and what possible have you been through. I dont get shit from mtv nor do i believe in mtv. And for most people all get their facts from pretty much the same places, they just might not retain it the same way.

how old am i?
older than the majority of the users.
what have i been thru/where have i been?
lots. lots.

[1000cckiller]

But on the real, how many of ya'll have had friends die in this war, I have had three. Its not cool, but I have many other friends in the army, who dont agree with the war either. There are other groups fighting in Iraqi because they want independence. Also in Sadams later years as President he only had control of 2/3 of his country, the rest were rebeling against him.

[Mike Lowrey]

But on the real, how many of ya'll have had friends die in this war, I have had three. Its not cool, but I have many other friends in the army, who dont agree with the war either.

No, I do not know anyone who has died in the war. Are you blaming their deaths on Bush? Your friends wanted to serve their country, and eventually died for their country. I respect every man and woman in the military as they maintain my freedom.

There are other groups fighting in Iraqi because they want independence. Also in Sadams later years as President he only had control of 2/3 of his country, the rest were rebeling against him.

Um, Saddam is a dictator, not a president. He was not elected.

[OneSlow5pt0]

No, I do not know anyone who has died in the war. Are you blaming their deaths on Bush? Your friends wanted to serve their country, and eventually died for their country. I respect every man and woman in the military as they maintain my freedom.



Um, Saddam is a dictator, not a president. He was not elected.

hate to tell people in this thread but Sadam= hitler in the middle east,lol

[2.0civic]

No, I do not know anyone who has died in the war. Are you blaming their deaths on Bush? Your friends wanted to serve their country, and eventually died for their country. I respect every man and woman in the military as they maintain my freedom.

x2

Fuckers enlist thinking "sweet, ill take the $xxxx go to college and not have to do shit but sit on my ass after basic"

Ignorant ass people

[2.0civic]

But on the real, how many of ya'll have had friends die in this war, I have had three. Its not cool, but I have many other friends in the army, who dont agree with the war either. There are other groups fighting in Iraqi because they want independence. Also in Sadams later years as President he only had control of 2/3 of his country, the rest were rebeling against him.

if they dont agree with it, they shouldnt have enlisted

If i enlist in the services i WANT to go kick some ass.

BTW, Ive had two marine friends die also...by IED's

[OneSlow5pt0]

also i think it was bout 2001 when all the people wanted to go to war,it reminded me of what happened when everyone wanted to go to war in vietnam.

[Atlanta_521]

I think the question to be asked is if it would have been better off for the U.S. NOT to have invaded Iraq.
Personally I think we should have stayed in Afghanistan and obliterated Al-qaeda before invading any other country that sponsored terrorism. (not that there's proof available to the public that Iraq was indeed a breeding ground for terrorists)

[1000cckiller]

I think the question to be asked is if it would have been better off for the U.S. NOT to invade Iraq. Personally I think we should have stayed in Afghanistan and obliterated Al-qaeda before invading any other country that sponsored terrorism. (not that there's proof available to the public that Iraq was indeed a breeding ground for terrorists)

I agree with you there, but we just invade somalia because they supposedly were haboring terroist

[2.0civic]

I agree with you there, but we just invade somalia because they supposedly were haboring terroist

go watch black hawk down again

You really need to go take a 80's-2000 history course

[OneSlow5pt0]

also i know 4 people in special forces and couple in marines and all of them are all for the cause have been through the thick of the Iraq war

[1000cckiller]

Man there are tons of people who dont agree with it in the service, but they have to do their job weather they believe in it or not.

[2.0civic]

Man there are tons of people who dont agree with it in the service, but they have to do their job weather they believe in it or not.

its as simple as this...dont agree with it, dont enlist...

If you enlisted after 01, you knew what you were getting into

[Mike Lowrey]

Man there are tons of people who dont agree with it in the service,

You may have to sit down for this one....

No everyone will agree with every decision that the government makes.

but they have to do their job weather they believe in it or not.

because, that is what they signed up to do.

[2.0civic]

You may have to sit down for this one....

No everyone will agree with every decision that the government makes.



because, that is what they signed up to do.

no way......

[OneSlow5pt0]

lol,think their needs to be a 1942-07 leason,

[Atlanta_521]

Was it worth it? Invading Iraq? What have we gained? What have been the opportunity costs?


THE FUCKING DEATHS BECAUSE OF THIS WAR SUPER-EXCEED ANYTHING THAT SADDAM HAS AND COULD HAVE DONE.

[2.0civic]

Was it worth it? Invading Iraq? What have we gained? What have been the opportunity costs?


THE FUCKING DEATHS BECAUSE OF THIS WAR SUPER-EXCEED ANYTHING THAT SADDAM has AND COULD HAVE DONE.

how many people did sadaam kill?? How many troops have died?? i can almost gurantee the ratio is close to 100:1 if not higher

[Atlanta_521]

how many people did sadaam kill?? How many troops have died?? i can almost gurantee the ratio is close to 100:1 if not higher

SO ONLY THE LIVES OF THE TROOPS MATTER? Think civilian casualties and those tramautized by the ongoing war!

[2.0civic]

SO ONLY THE LIVES OF THE TROOPS MATTER? Think civilian casualties and those tramautized by the ongoing war!

LOL and their lives were better before we went?

LIRLOLOLOLOL im dying here...If we pull out, that country is going to go to hell

[1000cckiller]

LOL and their lives were better before we went?

LIRLOLOLOLOL im dying here...If we pull out, that country is going to go to hell

that country is still hell with us there.

[2.0civic]

Was it worth it? Invading Iraq? What have we gained? What have been the opportunity costs?


THE FUCKING DEATHS BECAUSE OF THIS WAR SUPER-EXCEED ANYTHING THAT SADDAM HAS AND COULD HAVE DONE.

you were like 10 when the war started...your opinion doesnt count

[1000cckiller]

you were like 10 when the war started...your opinion doesnt count

umm you were just a young also. youngn

[2.0civic]

umm you were just a young also. youngn

im almost 3 years older than you

I was in high school and had friends and family actually going into military at the time, not in 5th grade

[1000cckiller]

im almost 3 years older than you

I was in high school and had friends and family actually going into military at the time, not in 5th grade

you were born in 1987, I was born in 1980 do the math how are you three years older than me.

[Craigers2k]

you were like 10 when the war started...your opinion doesnt count

[Mike Lowrey]

Was it worth it? Invading Iraq? What have we gained? What have been the opportunity costs?

YES!

THE FUCKING DEATHS BECAUSE OF THIS WAR SUPER-EXCEED ANYTHING THAT SADDAM HAS AND COULD HAVE DONE.

By your reasoning, we should stop trying to catch murderers, rapists, drug dealers, etc because they might shoot and kill a cop. Since we don't want any cops to die, we should not persue them.

Would that be worth it?

[OneSlow5pt0]

YES!



By your reasoning, we should stop trying to catch murderers, rapists, drug dealers, etc because they might shoot and kill a cop. Since we don't want any cops to die, we should not persue them.

Would that be worth it?

lol,i couldnt be a cop..cause i would put a cap in the first fucker that ran

[Atlanta_521]

YES!



By your reasoning, we should stop trying to catch murderers, rapists, drug dealers, etc because they might shoot and kill a cop. Since we don't want any cops to die, we should not persue them.

Would that be worth it?

Your logic is cloudy buddy.
Think of it as killing every single murder, rapist, drug dealer, etc.

I just think a much more diplomatic approach could have been taken by the government to prevent war. WE WERE THE AGRESSORS.

IF SADAM HAD TO BE TAKEN OUT WE SURE AS HELL FUCKED UP ON THE TIMING.

[OneSlow5pt0]

Your logic is cloudy buddy.
Think of it as killing every single murder, rapist, drug dealer, etc.

I just think a much more diplomatic approach could have been taken by the government to prevent war.

sounds like a good plan to me,id vote for the pres that did that

[2.0civic]

Your logic is cloudy buddy.
Think of it as killing every single murder, rapist, drug dealer, etc.

I just think a much more diplomatic approach could have been taken by the government to prevent war. WE WERE THE AGRESSORS.

IF SADAM HAD TO BE TAKEN OUT WE SURE AS HELL FUCKED UP ON THE TIMING.

sounds like a plan to me...otherwise, we spend more money for them to sit and get 3 hots and a cot...fuck that...eye for an eye and this world would be better off