i hope bush rots in hell

[4dmin]

Someone made mention of the economy earlier in the post. I dont really feel like rereading 10 post just to find out who it was, but.

I would love to know exactly how our economy is in bad shape. Point it out to me, show me.

Matt

energy prices are a spiral affect... if gas prices go up then everyones cost of living goes up. does your boss pay you more when that happens??? obviously no b/c he is incurring the same cost you are. b/c those prices go up it affects everything from the food on your table to you getting to work.

unemployment is still at highs we have been feeling since 2002. new jobs are being made but slower than the rate of lost jobs. then you have out sourcing american companies phasing out american jobs.

you have major corp on the brink of bankrupcy... DELTA??? that will be a huge blow to the Atlanta economy if that happens.

then you have the war... that shit isn't free; how about you look into the billions of dollars that has been spent on this BS war. originally it was to cost 200 billion; well we went over that mark over a year ago.

things are starting to turn around but we still aren't in full swing.

[Julio]

gas is a little on the steep side...that's the only excuse that i keep hearing from people who say our economy is in bad shape. sorry, but i don't consider gas prices the only factor in our economy!

ditto.

Economy is bad for people making under 30 k a year, have no plans to suceed (sc) in life, alot of debt or havent consider a career change and also, depending in wich state you live is also a big factor as to why someone would think the economy sucks.

Gas prices been HIGH as fuck in the US for he past few years, problem is GA is now catching up to the other states that have had high gas prices for a few years So I think alot of GA residents are just whinning to much about it.

Try living up NORTH where gas price been over 2 bucks for a few years already and cost of living is almost double of what it is here if not more.

I think if you are making decent money and have good job, own a good business and are making good decisions in life then economy should not be an issue in your life. But Not all of us can say that though.. ohwell.

I think economy is getting better and better each day... Im in retail, I see it everyday.............



EDIT ** Call that a bold statement or whatever... Work more, complain less.

[Desdicado]

unemployment is still at highs we have been feeling since 2002. new jobs are being made but slower than the rate of lost jobs. then you have out sourcing american companies phasing out american jobs.

Just out of curiousity, do you honestly believe that 5% unemployment is "high"? Its one of the lowest, if not the lowest, in the world. In fact, it can't get down much lower because it means at this point that everyone who wants a job (and is actually looking for one) can find one. Now it may not be paying that great, but its still work.

Granted, some industries and groups have been effected more than others. Construction workers, Factory workers, and other low skill workers are finding it hard to find gainful employment. Long gone are the days when all you needed to make ends meat was a strong back and a high school diploma. For anyone to seek employment straight out of highschool without some fine skill (or going straight into the military) is stupid at this point, unless you later on intend to attend a technical school or college. Our economy is not manufacturing based, people need to realize this and adapt. What few manufacturing jobs we have left in this country will be driven out by the unions in the next 10 years easy. This is a competitive economy, you want to succeed, you better make yourself marketable. Nobody has to hire you, so you want that job in the paper, you better make it worth the employers time to hire you. That means skills and education. Don't have those? Burger King is always looking for janitors.

[Julio]

Just out of curiousity, do you honestly believe that 5% unemployment is "high"? Its one of the lowest, if not the lowest, in the world. In fact, it can't get down much lower because it means at this point that everyone who wants a job (and is actually looking for one) can find one. Now it may not be paying that great, but its still work.

Granted, some industries and groups have been effected more than others. Construction workers, Factory workers, and other low skill workers are finding it hard to find gainful employment. Long gone are the days when all you needed to make ends meat was a strong back and a high school diploma. For anyone to seek employment straight out of highschool without some fine skill (or going straight into the military) is stupid at this point, unless you later on intend to attend a technical school or college. Our economy is not manufacturing based, people need to realize this and adapt. What few manufacturing jobs we have left in this country will be driven out by the unions in the next 10 years easy. This is a competitive economy, you want to succeed, you better make yourself marketable. Nobody has to hire you, so you want that job in the paper, you better make it worth the employers time to hire you. That means skills and education. Don't have those? Burger King is always looking for janitors.

You don't need college to have a good paying job... pretty soon some college degrees will be worth as much a HS diploma. shit, now that I think about, theres ton of people in this country/world that are college grads with dead end jobs.

[Ex_Vtec_Girl]

i have to completely agree with everything julio said.

we've had the discussion about college several times on here. it depends on what you want to do in life. i know several people who went to college, got a degree & as julio said, have dead end jobs & aren't making crap for money. i, on the other hand, didn't go to college, but have a great paying job with plenty of room for growth. i think the number of people i know who didn't go to college, but have great jobs actually out-numbers the people i know who went to college & have great jobs. i'm not against college, i just don't think it's an absolute necessity (sp) in life, like most make it sound. but that's a little off topic so i'll shut up now.

[Brett]

gas is a little on the steep side...that's the only excuse that i keep hearing from people who say our economy is in bad shape. sorry, but i don't consider gas prices the only factor in our economy!

What I get sick of is people trying top blame Bush for gas prices. It amazes me how uneducated people are when they talk shit like that. What people who "try and sound smart" dont understand is oil prices are globally up ( Again people seem to think Bush has a hand in the global oil prices ) and the demand for the U.S has gone up but no China has a demand that is way up from what it was, add that to the other industrialized countries and it comes down to supply and demand and the fact production can not keep up with the usage, that in turn shoots oil/gas up.

I know you werent sayin that Michelle, I was just using your talk of gas prices

[Desdicado]

You don't need college to have a good paying job... pretty soon some college degrees will be worth as much a HS diploma. shit, now that I think about, theres ton of people in this country/world that are college grads with dead end jobs.

You're missing my point. Lots of folks are still leaving high school with the mistaken belief that they can find a job paying a liveable wage without any further education or a skilled trade. Those days are long gone. As you well pointed, its not even guaranteed if you have a college degree. You must continue to adapt even while in school. Hence why I switched from Accounting to Database Management. MBAs are a dime a dozen now, and for good reason. You have to balance how to educate yourself based on whats needed today and what will be needed tomorrow. I knew a ton of computer science majors in 1999 who all had nice jobs lined up right after graduation. 6 years later most went back and now graduated with a 2nd degree because when the bottom fell out of the tech market they were left with a degree that was practically worthless in a flooded market.

You also can't ignore the simple fact that over the course of a lifetime your average college/tech school graduate will make $1 million more than a person without a degree.

[Julio]

You also can't ignore the simple fact that over the course of a lifetime your average college/tech school graduate will make $1 million more than a person without a degree.

Thats 100% BS ..... Stop reading school marketing gimics.
I think you can't ignore the fact that most college grads these days are in diffrent fields as to what they went to school for. Now at that rate, That $1 mill will make no sense would it?
Now if you pull the doctors/lawyers and any other real GOOD paying career choice out of your little quote there, you will have nothing but a bunch of low to middle class people with useless college degrees in debt paying of college loans...

I'm not bashing college, But I don't close my eyes to the world out there. There's something for everyone. Just like you said, Is how you market yourself. I dropped out of college and don't regret one bit of it. Beleive it or not , I went to school for Criminal Justice, wanted to be a Cop.. ( inside laugh ) But there salary is a joke... At the time I was in School 26 k to start of w/ a degree in dekalb.. with a bunch of benefits...
Go to college, More power to everyone.. Just choose a career wisely thats all =]

[Julio]

BTW, this topic got way offtopic... Good topic nonetheless... No hard feelings...

BUSH rocks!

[quickdodge®]

Thats 100% BS ..... Stop reading school marketing gimics.
I think you can't ignore the fact that most college grads these days are in diffrent fields as to what they went to school for.

Agreed! I am a perfect example of this. Check it:

1984 - Freshman at RCHS, took SAT only once and made 1460(at that time perfect was 1600)
1988 - Graduated RCHS 3.75 GPA
1991 - After going to GSU, PBCC, and Dekalb Tech, I graduated Dean's List 4.0 in computer operations
2000 - Hired on at Budweiser and 5 years later, pushing beer around to different stores.

Your life is what you make it, college or not(for the most part). Later, QD.

[Ex_Vtec_Girl]

this comment is way off topic, but get over it...

damn qd, you're old!!!

[Brett]

Yeah he is

[Z33_kid]

lets juss say if it gets worse there will be no more social security that means when u get all old no one will help u theyll leave u in ur bed to die the end

[4dmin]

Just out of curiousity, do you honestly believe that 5% unemployment is "high"? Its one of the lowest, if not the lowest, in the world. In fact, it can't get down much lower because it means at this point that everyone who wants a job (and is actually looking for one) can find one. Now it may not be paying that great, but its still work.

5% is high considering 2001 we were low-mid 4%... we aren't discussing other countries we are discussing the USA. and a jump of 1% is a major loss in employment when we are talking 1,000,000s of lives. now i'm not saying there isn't any jobs out there i merely posted causes for economic instability.

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another prime example of education... my father makes 80k a year driving a garbage truck. many people laugh about jobs and garbage men are always one the like to laugh about; ya well many people on this board have been to some of the parties i throw at my parents place and ya that is all purchased on waste industry $$$ .

the problem w/ people now a days is they are more worried about titles... if people got their hands a little dirtier they would see there is a ton of money out there for those who want it. no college degree is going to give you street smarts, so open your eyes.

[quickdodge®]

Well goddamn ,Vtecgirl, lolol. I am, aren't I? Later, QD.

[Desdicado]

Thats 100% BS ..... Stop reading school marketing gimics.
I think you can't ignore the fact that most college grads these days are in diffrent fields as to what they went to school for. Now at that rate, That $1 mill will make no sense would it?
Now if you pull the doctors/lawyers and any other real GOOD paying career choice out of your little quote there, you will have nothing but a bunch of low to middle class people with useless college degrees in debt paying of college loans...

I'm not bashing college, But I don't close my eyes to the world out there. There's something for everyone. Just like you said, Is how you market yourself. I dropped out of college and don't regret one bit of it. Beleive it or not , I went to school for Criminal Justice, wanted to be a Cop.. ( inside laugh ) But there salary is a joke... At the time I was in School 26 k to start of w/ a degree in dekalb.. with a bunch of benefits...
Go to college, More power to everyone.. Just choose a career wisely thats all =]

In this matter we have to go on our own experiences. In my case, everyone I know who didnt have a skilled trade and didnt go to college or tech school are doing things like delivering pizzas, shift managers at McDonalds, or selling parts at Napa. The guys I know who did go to tech schools, did have skilled trades, or went to college have either graduated and are making more money, are about to graduate with better paying jobs lined up, or are working on their Masters/Phds in fields which later on will pay them far more and give them ample oppurtunity for promotion.

And its amazing whats considered a "huge" unemployment rate. For 60 years we were happy to stay below 8% unemployment, but 96-2000 spoiled us with the tech market/dotcom bubble into havin unrealistic expectations. In fact, by 98 and 99 those who were in the industry knew that it was going to burst, that the rate was unmaintainable, and started getting out. Then it finally did bust and we went back to what is considered a maintainble unemployment rate. It is not unbearable, it is not inconceivable, it is exactly right where we should be. I highly doubt we'll ever see an unemployment rate as low as it was at the end of the 90s, and if we do it will only be because of another bubble and wishful thinking.

And for the record, here I am defending Bush and I didn't even vote for him, theres Irony.

[4dmin]

For 60 years we were happy to stay below 8% unemployment, but 96-2000 spoiled us with the tech market/dotcom bubble into havin unrealistic expectations. In fact, by 98 and 99 those who were in the industry knew that it was going to burst, that the rate was unmaintainable, and started getting out. Then it finally did bust and we went back to what is considered a maintainble unemployment rate. It is not unbearable, it is not inconceivable, it is exactly right where we should be. I highly doubt we'll ever see an unemployment rate as low as it was at the end of the 90s, and if we do it will only be because of another bubble and wishful thinking.

from 97-2001 we kept a consistant below 5% unemployement rate, everything after 911/war lead us up to higher unemployment... the % grew to 6.3% 1/2 way through 2003 then it started to drop and here we are today 2 years later at 5.1%. as far as your 8% figure we haven't seen 8% or higher since the early 80's, 5% or lower is alittle more accurate as a maintable rate. by the way they don't even have 60 years of data on bls.gov site

[4dmin]

\/ 1948+ unemployement %

[Desdicado]

I pulled my numbers off of here. Which ends at the 80s. I got the numbers for back to 1920 from here and here

*shrug*

Google is your friend

[Big Baller]

lets juss say if it gets worse there will be no more social security that means when u get all old no one will help u theyll leave u in ur bed to die the end

I have my own retirement fund. I dont depend on the goverment to take care of me. I dont plan on seeing a single dime of the money I have paid into social security.

Matt

[Big Baller]

They funny thing about the unemployment rate is that it doesnt take into account the number of people that dont work because they are retired, sick, dont want to work, dont need to work, or are in school.

So once again the unemployment rate is not a good ecomonic indicator.

Neither are oil prices, or the national debt.


You have to look at the overall picture.


Matt

[Desdicado]

lets juss say if it gets worse there will be no more social security that means when u get all old no one will help u theyll leave u in ur bed to die the end

And I would want the Government to support me why? I was taught to be independent and take care of myself from a young age, I will not turn my back on those teachings in my old age. The only person who's going to take care of you when you retire will be you. Anything on top of that is just icing on the cake.

[4dmin]

I pulled my numbers off of here. Which ends at the 80s. I got the numbers for back to 1920 from here and here

*shrug*

Google is your friend

ya i guess you missed this part

"
NOTES: Estimates prior to 1940 are based on sources other than direct enumeration. Data prior to 1948 are for persons age 14 and over. Data beginning in 1948 are for persons age 16 and over.
Source: U.S. Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics. Web: stats.bls.gov ."

^ yet the gov site doesn't go past 48' next time search the actual source instead of google

[Jaimecbr900]

Paul, it is true that a 1% shift in the unemployment numbers makes an impact, but also note that looking at the chart you posted....it's happened a bunch of times and by far more than just 1% too. Notice that there is a small pattern to those numbers you posted. It looks to me like around every decade the numbers start to look similar to each other. 2005's numbers look a little like 1995's and so on. That to me shows far more like there are other factors that govern these numbers.

[4dmin]

^ i never said unemployment was the only factor i just listed it as one and 1% is a major change considering the #'s at hand; its been much higher and much lower but you can obviously see where the war/911 played into this #.

[Jaimecbr900]

^ i never said unemployment was the only factor i just listed it as one and 1% is a major change considering the #'s at hand; its been much higher and much lower but you can obviously see where the war/911 played into this #.

Right, I'm not saying that. I'm merely noticing that based on the numbers on that are on the chart it looks to me like it's a mini pattern of about every 10 yrs the numbers seem to match each other. Which if that's true would indicate that there are certain things, other than presidents in charge, that would affect those numbers.

I wasn't trying to say anything negative about the numbers or deductions at all. I was merely noticing that pattern.

[4dmin]

Right, I'm not saying that. I'm merely noticing that based on the numbers on that are on the chart it looks to me like it's a mini pattern of about every 10 yrs the numbers seem to match each other. Which if that's true would indicate that there are certain things, other than presidents in charge, that would affect those numbers.

I wasn't trying to say anything negative about the numbers or deductions at all. I was merely noticing that pattern.

no i agree no just a president can change the economy w/ such as impacts we've seen in the past 4 years... 911 is no doubt some of the biggest impacts we've felt in the past term but he does control the war which is another determining factor

[verash]

stfu liberal scum! nobody forced the man to join the military.

[nightracer]

you hope bush rots in hell? isn't that statement a little strong??? i understand you're upset because you lost somebody over there...a lot of people in this country have, but i think you're being a little harsh. god only knows what the hell would have happened in this country if we wouldn't have gone over there. bush is doing what he thinks is right & he obviously has good reasons for it or we wouldn't still be there. just my

Ya think?

[MSTANGSALEEN]

I was in the military and when you go oversees for a while its hard and sometimes your wife just doesnt understand. Which makes it harder for you and harder for you to focus while your there.

[Integseeker04]

Bring the soldiers back!!! That's all I have to say.