i hope bush rots in hell

[kilpatty43]

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/us/bush_administration

Bush: Bloodshed in Iraq Is 'Worth It'
AP - 56 minutes ago
FORT BRAGG, N.C. - President Bush on Tuesday appealed for the nation's patience for "difficult and dangerous" work ahead in Iraq, hoping a backdrop of U.S. troops and a reminder of Iraq's revived sovereignty would help him reclaim control of an issue that has eroded his popularity. In an evening address at an Army base that has 9,300 troops in Iraq, Bush was acknowledging the toll of the 27-month-old war. At the same time, he aimed to persuade skeptical Americans that his strategy for victory needed only time — not any changes — to be successful.

yeah he thinks its worth it until its someone he loves that goes missing or gets killed

[Julio]

So that person that you love or went missing was he forced to join the military ?

just curious.

[kilpatty43]

no he wasnt forced...it was family tradition though...but he made his choice...after his tour in iraq his service was over...he wouldve completed his 8 years

[Ex_Vtec_Girl]

you hope bush rots in hell? isn't that statement a little strong??? i understand you're upset because you lost somebody over there...a lot of people in this country have, but i think you're being a little harsh. god only knows what the hell would have happened in this country if we wouldn't have gone over there. bush is doing what he thinks is right & he obviously has good reasons for it or we wouldn't still be there. just my

[Leisa]

^^^agreed 100%

[LaurenK]

you hope bush rots in hell? isn't that statement a little strong??? i understand you're upset because you lost somebody over there...a lot of people in this country have, but i think you're being a little harsh. god only knows what the hell would have happened in this country if we wouldn't have gone over there. bush is doing what he thinks is right & he obviously has good reasons for it or we wouldn't still be there. just my

AGREE...

[nightracer]

you hope bush rots in hell? isn't that statement a little strong??? i understand you're upset because you lost somebody over there...a lot of people in this country have, but i think you're being a little harsh. god only knows what the hell would have happened in this country if we wouldn't have gone over there. bush is doing what he thinks is right & he obviously has good reasons for it or we wouldn't still be there. just my

Ya think?

[quickdodge®]

^^^ Agreed with Leisa 100%. Later, QD.

[dereksi]

you woouldnt say that if we didnt go over there and a building you or your family is in that gets bombed. We didnt start this but we WILL finish it.

[kilpatty43]

ok so maybe my opinion was a little harsh but after seeing that headline i was furious...for obvious reasons...however i do agree with why we went over there in the first place...but i dont think we should still be tehre...everyday on the news you hear about dozens of troops being killed...not to mention the missing ones and prisoners that the majority of the country has no clue about...

[chuck]

...everyday on the news you hear about dozens of troops being killed...

other than the one big helicopter accident that was caused by bad weather that could have just as easily happened in training over here, can you find me one article from one day that talks about 12 or more troops dying in a day??...unless by dozen you meant 3 or 4....or unless by troops you weren't weren't talking about the US troops.

or if you want you can even show me where 12 have died in a week...

maybe i'm just watching the wrong news channel, or maybe you might want to reconsider your statements...please fill me in if i have been misinformed

[Ex_Vtec_Girl]

correct me if i'm wrong, but it's my understanding that we're still over there because there are still bad guys left who have the potential to cause more damage to our country.

again, i understand why people are upset & i agree that we're losing way more soldiers than we should, but as julio brought up, those soldiers weren't forced to join, they weren't drafted. they're serving our country because they choose to. i appreciate that greatly, but as i said earlier, there's obviously a good reason we're still over there.

if bush was so horrible for what's going on, he wouldn't have been re-elected.

[absolude]

I think Bush's propaganda machine and the media have been extremely effective at distracting people from whats really important. You ^ mentioned there are "bad" guys over in Iraq who would hurt us if given the opportunity- but look at the facts: Iraq has NO WOMD! The countries we should really be concerned about are gathering munitions together to throw down the US. What about North Korea? They have the technology and capability to create WOMD, and they even admit to having them. Russia- anyone? While people are so caught up with the "war" in Iraq, there are serious threats with actual arms that are rising up against our country....

[civic95]

I think Bush's propaganda machine and the media have been extremely effective at distracting people from whats really important. You ^ mentioned there are "bad" guys over in Iraq who would hurt us if given the opportunity- but look at the facts: Iraq has NO WOMD! The countries we should really be concerned about are gathering munitions together to throw down the US. What about North Korea? They have the technology and capability to create WOMD, and they even admit to having them. Russia- anyone? While people are so caught up with the "war" in Iraq, there are serious threats with actual arms that are rising up against our country....

Gosh I really hate to get into this again, but I will anyway. Iraq has no WMD's, or none that have been found. Okay, I'll give you that. On the other hand the Taliban has flocked to that region. It's a lot better for us that they go to Iraq and plan to attack our troops than it is for them to come onto our soil to carry out attacks. Atleast our troops are trained, and have weapons vs: a bunch of everyday citizens. Not to mention that whole region is breed to hate westernization. It's a lot easier to hate something you've never seen and only been told lies about. Now, if you make 1 country a free country what happens? It's called the jones. When your neighbor pulls up in a ferarri, you want one too. If that region has 1 free country, the neighboring countries will start to see the positive effects, and the freedoms that come with democracy. Eventually they will want the same, and start to second guess the brainwashing thats instilled in them. So yes we are sacraficing our soldiers lives. But who can say that it will not save hundred of thousands of lives of our citizens in the future. What about the millions of people that's lives will change because of this? You can be selfish, and only care about the US, but our soldiers have had the chance to experience FREEDOM. So many others never have, and never will experience that. A life is a life, it doesn't matter what country your from. We are all on this planet together. The state of every country has it's effects on all the others.

[Big Baller]

Gosh I really hate to get into this again, but I will anyway. Iraq has no WMD's, or none that have been found. Okay, I'll give you that. On the other hand the Taliban has flocked to that region. It's a lot better for us that they go to Iraq and plan to attack our troops than it is for them to come onto our soil to carry out attacks. Atleast our troops are trained, and have weapons vs: a bunch of everyday citizens. Not to mention that whole region is breed to hate westernization. It's a lot easier to hate something you've never seen and only been told lies about. Now, if you make 1 country a free country what happens? It's called the jones. When your neighbor pulls up in a ferarri, you want one too. If that region has 1 free country, the neighboring countries will start to see the positive effects, and the freedoms that come with democracy. Eventually they will want the same, and start to second guess the brainwashing thats instilled in them. So yes we are sacraficing our soldiers lives. But who can say that it will not save hundred of thousands of lives of our citizens in the future. What about the millions of people that's lives will change because of this? You can be selfish, and only care about the US, but our soldiers have had the chance to experience FREEDOM. So many others never have, and never will experience that. A life is a life, it doesn't matter what country your from. We are all on this planet together. The state of every country has it's effects on all the others.

Very nice. I could not possibly agree more.

[Dragonfly5338]

Not to mention that whole region is breed to hate westernization. It's a lot easier to hate something you've never seen and only been told lies about.

Well, not exactly. I'm not muslim so I couldn't speak for the majority of muslim people here - but in general they're not bred to hate western civilization. There's a small minority of muslim fundimentalists that hate western ideas because they differ from what they perceive as muslim beliefs. It's hard to keep a person supressed if democracy is instituted, I'll give you that. Many countries in that area have incorperated western ideas in order to help their country develop - Turkey, for one. Unfortunately, the people who were in charge of Iraq were part of that small minority. The majority of Iraqis are Shiite, not the Suni (sp?) minority that Sadaam and his people were.

But like Christian conservatives, the same goes for Muslim - to keep people following a certain way, you have to scare the hell out of them and keep them oppressed.

Anyways, I'm off my soap box. It just amazes me sometimes how ignorant Americans can be about other cultures and religions. Islam is actually very similar to Christianity - they preace peace, love and justice. Just like with any religion, when it gets into the wrong hands and gets mixed with politics, it usually ends up getting twisted in order to benifit the person in charge.

Now, back to your debate. Fuck Bush and Fuck Teddy.

[Sledlude]

I think Bush's propaganda machine and the media have been extremely effective at distracting people from whats really important. You ^ mentioned there are "bad" guys over in Iraq who would hurt us if given the opportunity- but look at the facts: Iraq has NO WOMD! The countries we should really be concerned about are gathering munitions together to throw down the US. What about North Korea? They have the technology and capability to create WOMD, and they even admit to having them. Russia- anyone? While people are so caught up with the "war" in Iraq, there are serious threats with actual arms that are rising up against our country....

Agreed... Bush is a retard.

[blacknightteg]

like i said on the EM forum, i never really have liked bush nore really his ideals. i thought it was the smart thing to do to hun the taliban and osama bin ladin since they were the ones that fucked up our country but i dont really believe that it was the right thing to go over to iraq and fuck up that country, yes they might have been a threat to certain countries over there, but wasnt it an obvious kick in the balls when the supposed reason that we went over there was for wmd;s and then we didnt find a damn thing over there? im sorry but my opinion is that the whole reason that we went over there was because bush jus was trying to do what his dad couldnt do

[tony]

This is the reason I've just stopped watching the news, too depressing. I know a few soldiers and I'll be joining the reserves soon myself, generally most see it as their duty whether they agree or not. The soldiers I've met and talked to aren't concerned with whether Iraq had WOMD's, their concern is completing the mission at hand and coming home safely. Usually its hard for people who aren't in the military to understand.

[SaraX5]

i totally agree with blacknightteg....
I understand why you're upset and why you say you hate Bush but so many people during this have lost loved ones from both sides and yeah it sucks but thats how politics go. Bush wont back down till he gets the oil and no this isn't a war against terrorism for whoever who posted that we would be in danger if we didn't go to war because Iraq isn't the cause of 9/11, its TERRORIST/EXTREMIST GROUPS!! Whoever thinks that peoples lives are worth losing in this war obviously values oil over peoples lives

[tony]

So you really think Saddam was innocent in all of this and everything was going perfect in Iraq?

[blacknightteg]

So you really think Saddam was innocent in all of this and everything was going perfect in Iraq?

no i odnt think that he was completely innocent, but i also dont think that the way that bush went about the ways that he did were good either. the man after 9/11 went on a "hunt down all bad people" rampage across the world from raising cane about north korea to this stupid shit in Iraq. fuck dude, there were NO weapons of mass destruction in the country and ill be damned if people say that they got rid of them , if there were wepons of mass destruction unless they some how transported them to another country, there is no way damn weapons could dissappear like taht, im sorry but like i have said before, the whole reason we went inot iraq was BOGUS and just an excuse to finish wat his fucked up father started

[tony]

Honestly, just in my opinion someone had to go after 9/11.. we couldn't catch bin laden so we go after the next biggest target. Is it right? Probably not but that is just politics, it will never change. I hope nobody thinks that we would be out of Iraq by now if John Kerry was elected.. so can you really point the finger at Bush?

One thing I don't agree with is expecting iraq to take on our values of democracy, we tried the same thing with vietnam and it was a complete failure.

[blacknightteg]

no i know that we wouldnt have been out of iraq by now if kerry were elected but i know for a damn fact we wouldnt be in there for as long as i can be bush is goin to keep our ass's in tehre comming up with a new fucking excuse ever 6 months.....have you not notice how bush is, its his way or the high way, i mean shit i could drag religion into this cuz thats almost like wat ever fucking decision is based on, yeah he's got a strong faith, so do a lot of people, but there aint no damn reason it has to be an influence when not half the world is christian

[chuck]

more police die here in the states each day than soldiers over there in "war".....i'll stick with those stats any day. i'd also rather stay a step ahead of the war, being on the offensive rather than a step behind in a constant defensive mode. we haven't had any of the war on US soil even though we were next in line to go down, we stood our ground and let 'them' know that we wouldn't put up with their shit any longer.

sorry about your friend and all but i'll support bush for doing his job...or should we just back off and put up welcome signs for the forign air forces that want our whole country dead???

[Dragonfly5338]

It's all Teddy Roosevelt's fault, actually. His Corollary to the Monroe Doctorine turned the US into the world police force we are now. So fuck Bush and fuck Teddy!

[absolude]

^word!
And to being on the offensive instead of the defensive- that could be construed as TERRORISM!!! Why is is that our way is the right way? Its impossible to say whether or not things would be radically different if Kerry were cleaning up this mess- but as someone did say earlier, this is just an unfinished vendetta. Big Bush never could bring Saddam down, so he charged good ole "Dubya" to take care of it. And yeah- Bush failed to capture Osama Bin Laden, so he decided to take out another prominent figure as to not lose face.
And I dunno- people can say all they want about Saddam Hussein being all evil and what not, but in my lifetime the only person to actually strike against the US has been Osama Bin Laden. That would put him at the head of my most wanted list.... But where is he now? No one knows. Isn't that kinda scary?
I think the peeps in Iraq are f*ckin nuts. Our soldiers are fighting a losing battle over there because it's not really war. War has rules, but neither side is following any rules currently. We can't tell who the combatants are and who aren't. We declared war on them- but who are we fighting? As Bush has labeled it innumerously- its a war on "Terrorism", but how can you have a war on a concept? Perhaps I give him or his administration too much credit, but by labeling it so, it allows for a shift in who the actual target is. Last week Afghanistan, this week Iraq, next week- who knows?

[MachNU]

Just my 2cents but it was a smart thing to take down Iraq and Saddam. Liek one person onces said if Saddam is so innocent and had no WOMD why did he hide and why was he also moving a certain cargo around for no one to find. He may or may not have had WOMD to attack the US but he might have. To me its like if someone mugs you with a gun in there pocket that you cant see. 50/50 says it is or it isnt so what would you do. If Kerry would have won (thank god he didnt) we would have been fucked. Just like in 92 when Osama attacked the US killing hundreds Clintion that left wing liberal cocksucker turns and makes a peace treaty with Iraq and Saddam, and kerry was on the same boat with that. But this time when Saddam attacks the US killing hundreds Bush doesnt make a peace treaty he attacks them back 10 fold. So to me it his nothing more of a 50/50 war becuase no one can say for real what would have or could have happened. Though i believe the war is the right thing, and i do fill for the soldiers over there even though my cousin jsut got back from there, are doing the right thing.

But like i siad my 2 cents

[Big Baller]

People should learn to think for themselves. Most of what I have just read is crap that has been dished out by the liberal news media. If it’s not the news media it’s our liberal education system.

Christ people, THINK FOR YOURSELVES

Matt

If this offends you and you find yourself thinking (is he talking about me) then yes I am talking about you.

[SaraX5]

People should learn to think for themselves. Most of what I have just read is crap that has been dished out by the liberal news media. If it’s not the news media it’s our liberal education system.

Christ people, THINK FOR YOURSELVES

Matt

If this offends you and you find yourself thinking (is he talking about me) then yes I am talking about you.

PEOPLE DO THINK FOR THEMSELVES. AND YEA I DO HAVE AN EDUCATION AND THATS WHAT ALLOWS ME TO THINK FOR MYSELF AND NOT BUY INTO ALL THE BULLSHIT PEOPLE ON TV OR PEOPLE LIKE YOU SAY.
WHO GIVES A FUCK IF ANYONE IS A LIBERAL OR A CONSERVATIVE.THINK WHAT U WANT AND EVERYONE ELSE WILL THINK WHAT THEY WANT. SEEMS TO ME THAT YOURE THE ONE WHO CANT HANDLE PEOPLE HAVING THEIR OWN OPINIONS.

BY THE WAY I COULDN'T AGREE WITH U MORE DRAGONFLY. Its not that Muslims or people hate westernization but why does it matter to people whether or not that country wants to be a democracy or not. Just like people in this discussion wouldn't want to live in a theocratic regime people in other parts of the world don't want to have democratic regimes. Thats why this world is big enough for people to live in separate countries and follow rules and laws that they feel like abiding. I dont think its gonna affect Bush's sleep or anyone elses for that matter if Iraq doesnt want to be a democratic regime.

[Big Baller]

Please stop yelling we are having a debate, if you are going to talk about politics atleast act calm and rational about it.

PEOPLE DO THINK FOR THEMSELVES. AND YEA I DO HAVE AN EDUCATION AND THATS WHAT ALLOWS ME TO THINK FOR MYSELF AND NOT BUY INTO ALL THE BULLSHIT PEOPLE ON TV OR PEOPLE LIKE YOU SAY..

Would you please tell me which part of my statement was bull shit? Was the part about the news media being liberal, or was it the part about the school system being liberal.

WHO GIVES A FUCK IF ANYONE IS A LIBERAL OR A CONSERVATIVE.THINK WHAT U WANT AND EVERYONE ELSE WILL THINK WHAT THEY WANT..

I dont give a "fuck" if you are a liberal. The problem is every time people start to talk about politics I hear the same crap over and over again, its always something someone read in the paper of saw on tv.

SEEMS TO ME THAT YOURE THE ONE WHO CANT HANDLE PEOPLE HAVING THEIR OWN OPINIONS.

I can handle people having there own opinions, but it seems to me that most people dont have there own opinions they have the opinions of their ( insert any of these teacher, parent, friend, talkshow host, news channel, newspaper etc.)

Matt(who once voted for a democrat(Roy Barnes))

[B16a2 Civic]

this shit is ridiculous, i agree it was good to respond to 9/11...but um Osama bombed us, not Sudam.....but Sudam has been a threat anyway....but i can tell you now it cant be because of the oil...cause im still payin too damn much just to drive a week....but War is War, weather you like ir ot nor, the brave soilders are over there protecting peace, not just for Amercia but protecting peace for those who cannot fight.....i support our soilders...and i hope Bush doesn't rot in hell, no president has ever been perfect... from teh 1st to whatever # we're on now

[BadInBlue]

i've noticed a lot of people hate bush but i believe its because they have not realized he saved your ass. thats the problem with america these days we are raising a world full of pussies.(scared to fight back..too many damn liberals) The fact is that you would only be hating another president if it wasn't bush. Or are we going to allow a foreign country to committ terroristic acts on our country. something had to be done bush took action and is justified in the choices he makes for our country....if you dont like it get the hell out...my 2 cents

[MachNU]

Go di love the oil part of this war....since we seem to be over there solely for the oil yet we still continue to drill in the gulf which supplys 20-40% of the US oil supply and we are looking into putting more effort into drilling in alaska for the oil. THEN if we ever ran OUT of oil we wouldnt attack some other country for theres we would jsut drill in Arizona which has one of the worldests largest supply on oil but we dont go for it becuase wew can jsut drill off of us soil for it. Just my thoughts.

[Big Baller]

I'm sorry for your loss regardless of how our views differ on politics. Two of my cousins were among the first to go over, so I know what its like to worry about friends and family involved in war.

Please send my best to his family

Matt

[C22H19N3O4]

[Hulud]

^lol

[SLOWR/T]

im sorry but i dont think that what kilpatty43 said in the beginning was "harsh" i aggree with her. that sorry bastard has the nerve to say that the deaths of our friends and family in the war are worth it?? worth what i ask?? all i have to say is FUCK BUSH!! thats MY thoughts of that sorry piece of shit! everytime i turn on the news i either see his sorry ass or have to hear about more soldiers have died cause of a car bomb or some bull shit.

[Big Baller]

im sorry but i dont think that what kilpatty43 said in the beginning was "harsh" i aggree with her. that sorry bastard has the nerve to say that the deaths of our friends and family in the war are worth it?? worth what i ask?? all i have to say is FUCK BUSH!! thats MY thoughts of that sorry piece of shit! everytime i turn on the news i either see his sorry ass or have to hear about more soldiers have died cause of a car bomb or some bull shit.

Worth what you ask?

National security perhaps

Freedom of a nation


I guess none of thats important to you though is it.

Why would anyone want to be free, why would you want to live in a country free of violent bombings.

Why?

[blacknightteg]

Worth what you ask?

National security perhaps

Freedom of a nation


I guess none of thats important to you though is it.

Why would anyone want to be free, why would you want to live in a country free of violent bombings.

Why?

oh please? national secrurity? you honestly thing that what we are doing over seas in Iraq and afghanistan and wat ever country we decide to go into next is going to help our national security? thats a crock of shit, if anything its going to fuck up the security of our country even more making more and more people hate us. whether or not we go over an fuck up some foriegners this shits still prolly going to happen whether or not osama is dead alive or wat, he's still got a shit load of people following his ways n this shits gunna happen more and more and you know it, so this bull shit thats going on over in iraq should stop he should start pulling out the people, not all at once cuz i know that wouldnt work but incraments. but the point is he should start pulling them out, trying to help them have a stable government by keeping a millitary presense in my opinion is not the way to go. why the hell would freedom of a country come into this? yea the people of iraq had some hard times with sadam and his nephews as their rulers. but i still saw no immediate threat no right, to make up some damn excuse and go in there and start attacking, even in the middle of the fucking war he changed the reason we were over there. started saying that it was for the weapons of mass destruction and then he changed it up n said it was for the freedom of the people. all he was trying to do was make himself not look bad...all i know is that fucker with the big ears we call bush , who needs to fucking work on his public speaking really needs to jus fuck off