i hope bush rots in hell

[civic95]

I think Bush's propaganda machine and the media have been extremely effective at distracting people from whats really important. You ^ mentioned there are "bad" guys over in Iraq who would hurt us if given the opportunity- but look at the facts: Iraq has NO WOMD! The countries we should really be concerned about are gathering munitions together to throw down the US. What about North Korea? They have the technology and capability to create WOMD, and they even admit to having them. Russia- anyone? While people are so caught up with the "war" in Iraq, there are serious threats with actual arms that are rising up against our country....

Gosh I really hate to get into this again, but I will anyway. Iraq has no WMD's, or none that have been found. Okay, I'll give you that. On the other hand the Taliban has flocked to that region. It's a lot better for us that they go to Iraq and plan to attack our troops than it is for them to come onto our soil to carry out attacks. Atleast our troops are trained, and have weapons vs: a bunch of everyday citizens. Not to mention that whole region is breed to hate westernization. It's a lot easier to hate something you've never seen and only been told lies about. Now, if you make 1 country a free country what happens? It's called the jones. When your neighbor pulls up in a ferarri, you want one too. If that region has 1 free country, the neighboring countries will start to see the positive effects, and the freedoms that come with democracy. Eventually they will want the same, and start to second guess the brainwashing thats instilled in them. So yes we are sacraficing our soldiers lives. But who can say that it will not save hundred of thousands of lives of our citizens in the future. What about the millions of people that's lives will change because of this? You can be selfish, and only care about the US, but our soldiers have had the chance to experience FREEDOM. So many others never have, and never will experience that. A life is a life, it doesn't matter what country your from. We are all on this planet together. The state of every country has it's effects on all the others.

[Big Baller]

Gosh I really hate to get into this again, but I will anyway. Iraq has no WMD's, or none that have been found. Okay, I'll give you that. On the other hand the Taliban has flocked to that region. It's a lot better for us that they go to Iraq and plan to attack our troops than it is for them to come onto our soil to carry out attacks. Atleast our troops are trained, and have weapons vs: a bunch of everyday citizens. Not to mention that whole region is breed to hate westernization. It's a lot easier to hate something you've never seen and only been told lies about. Now, if you make 1 country a free country what happens? It's called the jones. When your neighbor pulls up in a ferarri, you want one too. If that region has 1 free country, the neighboring countries will start to see the positive effects, and the freedoms that come with democracy. Eventually they will want the same, and start to second guess the brainwashing thats instilled in them. So yes we are sacraficing our soldiers lives. But who can say that it will not save hundred of thousands of lives of our citizens in the future. What about the millions of people that's lives will change because of this? You can be selfish, and only care about the US, but our soldiers have had the chance to experience FREEDOM. So many others never have, and never will experience that. A life is a life, it doesn't matter what country your from. We are all on this planet together. The state of every country has it's effects on all the others.

Very nice. I could not possibly agree more.

[Dragonfly5338]

Not to mention that whole region is breed to hate westernization. It's a lot easier to hate something you've never seen and only been told lies about.

Well, not exactly. I'm not muslim so I couldn't speak for the majority of muslim people here - but in general they're not bred to hate western civilization. There's a small minority of muslim fundimentalists that hate western ideas because they differ from what they perceive as muslim beliefs. It's hard to keep a person supressed if democracy is instituted, I'll give you that. Many countries in that area have incorperated western ideas in order to help their country develop - Turkey, for one. Unfortunately, the people who were in charge of Iraq were part of that small minority. The majority of Iraqis are Shiite, not the Suni (sp?) minority that Sadaam and his people were.

But like Christian conservatives, the same goes for Muslim - to keep people following a certain way, you have to scare the hell out of them and keep them oppressed.

Anyways, I'm off my soap box. It just amazes me sometimes how ignorant Americans can be about other cultures and religions. Islam is actually very similar to Christianity - they preace peace, love and justice. Just like with any religion, when it gets into the wrong hands and gets mixed with politics, it usually ends up getting twisted in order to benifit the person in charge.

Now, back to your debate. Fuck Bush and Fuck Teddy.