i hope bush rots in hell

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unemployment is still at highs we have been feeling since 2002. new jobs are being made but slower than the rate of lost jobs. then you have out sourcing american companies phasing out american jobs.

Just out of curiousity, do you honestly believe that 5% unemployment is "high"? Its one of the lowest, if not the lowest, in the world. In fact, it can't get down much lower because it means at this point that everyone who wants a job (and is actually looking for one) can find one. Now it may not be paying that great, but its still work.

Granted, some industries and groups have been effected more than others. Construction workers, Factory workers, and other low skill workers are finding it hard to find gainful employment. Long gone are the days when all you needed to make ends meat was a strong back and a high school diploma. For anyone to seek employment straight out of highschool without some fine skill (or going straight into the military) is stupid at this point, unless you later on intend to attend a technical school or college. Our economy is not manufacturing based, people need to realize this and adapt. What few manufacturing jobs we have left in this country will be driven out by the unions in the next 10 years easy. This is a competitive economy, you want to succeed, you better make yourself marketable. Nobody has to hire you, so you want that job in the paper, you better make it worth the employers time to hire you. That means skills and education. Don't have those? Burger King is always looking for janitors.

[Julio]

Just out of curiousity, do you honestly believe that 5% unemployment is "high"? Its one of the lowest, if not the lowest, in the world. In fact, it can't get down much lower because it means at this point that everyone who wants a job (and is actually looking for one) can find one. Now it may not be paying that great, but its still work.

Granted, some industries and groups have been effected more than others. Construction workers, Factory workers, and other low skill workers are finding it hard to find gainful employment. Long gone are the days when all you needed to make ends meat was a strong back and a high school diploma. For anyone to seek employment straight out of highschool without some fine skill (or going straight into the military) is stupid at this point, unless you later on intend to attend a technical school or college. Our economy is not manufacturing based, people need to realize this and adapt. What few manufacturing jobs we have left in this country will be driven out by the unions in the next 10 years easy. This is a competitive economy, you want to succeed, you better make yourself marketable. Nobody has to hire you, so you want that job in the paper, you better make it worth the employers time to hire you. That means skills and education. Don't have those? Burger King is always looking for janitors.

You don't need college to have a good paying job... pretty soon some college degrees will be worth as much a HS diploma. shit, now that I think about, theres ton of people in this country/world that are college grads with dead end jobs.

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You don't need college to have a good paying job... pretty soon some college degrees will be worth as much a HS diploma. shit, now that I think about, theres ton of people in this country/world that are college grads with dead end jobs.

You're missing my point. Lots of folks are still leaving high school with the mistaken belief that they can find a job paying a liveable wage without any further education or a skilled trade. Those days are long gone. As you well pointed, its not even guaranteed if you have a college degree. You must continue to adapt even while in school. Hence why I switched from Accounting to Database Management. MBAs are a dime a dozen now, and for good reason. You have to balance how to educate yourself based on whats needed today and what will be needed tomorrow. I knew a ton of computer science majors in 1999 who all had nice jobs lined up right after graduation. 6 years later most went back and now graduated with a 2nd degree because when the bottom fell out of the tech market they were left with a degree that was practically worthless in a flooded market.

You also can't ignore the simple fact that over the course of a lifetime your average college/tech school graduate will make $1 million more than a person without a degree.

[Julio]

You also can't ignore the simple fact that over the course of a lifetime your average college/tech school graduate will make $1 million more than a person without a degree.

Thats 100% BS ..... Stop reading school marketing gimics.
I think you can't ignore the fact that most college grads these days are in diffrent fields as to what they went to school for. Now at that rate, That $1 mill will make no sense would it?
Now if you pull the doctors/lawyers and any other real GOOD paying career choice out of your little quote there, you will have nothing but a bunch of low to middle class people with useless college degrees in debt paying of college loans...

I'm not bashing college, But I don't close my eyes to the world out there. There's something for everyone. Just like you said, Is how you market yourself. I dropped out of college and don't regret one bit of it. Beleive it or not , I went to school for Criminal Justice, wanted to be a Cop.. ( inside laugh ) But there salary is a joke... At the time I was in School 26 k to start of w/ a degree in dekalb.. with a bunch of benefits...
Go to college, More power to everyone.. Just choose a career wisely thats all =]

[quickdodge®]

Thats 100% BS ..... Stop reading school marketing gimics.
I think you can't ignore the fact that most college grads these days are in diffrent fields as to what they went to school for.

Agreed! I am a perfect example of this. Check it:

1984 - Freshman at RCHS, took SAT only once and made 1460(at that time perfect was 1600)
1988 - Graduated RCHS 3.75 GPA
1991 - After going to GSU, PBCC, and Dekalb Tech, I graduated Dean's List 4.0 in computer operations
2000 - Hired on at Budweiser and 5 years later, pushing beer around to different stores.

Your life is what you make it, college or not(for the most part). Later, QD.

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Thats 100% BS ..... Stop reading school marketing gimics.
I think you can't ignore the fact that most college grads these days are in diffrent fields as to what they went to school for. Now at that rate, That $1 mill will make no sense would it?
Now if you pull the doctors/lawyers and any other real GOOD paying career choice out of your little quote there, you will have nothing but a bunch of low to middle class people with useless college degrees in debt paying of college loans...

I'm not bashing college, But I don't close my eyes to the world out there. There's something for everyone. Just like you said, Is how you market yourself. I dropped out of college and don't regret one bit of it. Beleive it or not , I went to school for Criminal Justice, wanted to be a Cop.. ( inside laugh ) But there salary is a joke... At the time I was in School 26 k to start of w/ a degree in dekalb.. with a bunch of benefits...
Go to college, More power to everyone.. Just choose a career wisely thats all =]

In this matter we have to go on our own experiences. In my case, everyone I know who didnt have a skilled trade and didnt go to college or tech school are doing things like delivering pizzas, shift managers at McDonalds, or selling parts at Napa. The guys I know who did go to tech schools, did have skilled trades, or went to college have either graduated and are making more money, are about to graduate with better paying jobs lined up, or are working on their Masters/Phds in fields which later on will pay them far more and give them ample oppurtunity for promotion.

And its amazing whats considered a "huge" unemployment rate. For 60 years we were happy to stay below 8% unemployment, but 96-2000 spoiled us with the tech market/dotcom bubble into havin unrealistic expectations. In fact, by 98 and 99 those who were in the industry knew that it was going to burst, that the rate was unmaintainable, and started getting out. Then it finally did bust and we went back to what is considered a maintainble unemployment rate. It is not unbearable, it is not inconceivable, it is exactly right where we should be. I highly doubt we'll ever see an unemployment rate as low as it was at the end of the 90s, and if we do it will only be because of another bubble and wishful thinking.

And for the record, here I am defending Bush and I didn't even vote for him, theres Irony.