Thinking of starting a new project, what engine should I use?

[Vteckidd]

Ban me if you like, I don't give a shit, but when you have a "respectable member" posting such bullshit like that, something is seriously wrong.

Go ahead, call yourselves Honda "experts", but when you post bullshit like the GSR tranny is better than the H22, proof being that you can get it shipped faster, you deserved to get flamed by people like me.

Knowledge > you.


For the OP, to stay on topic, go with the F20b. It's got the power of an H22 with iron sleeves. 200 hp would be plenty as is, but if you ever feel the need to build it/boost it or both, you don't need to deal with FRM. The K-series shouldn't even be in here with a $4k budget..

However, I don't really know why I'm helping you after calling me a "dumb son of a bitch." Go ahead, listen to 2JZ boy.

How is the GSR tranny not better than the h22? i ALREADY POSTED FACTS.

SKUNKED on HT ran .4 FASTER in the 1/4mile PLUS picked up 5mph trap speed. JUST FROM SWITCHING TO THE GSR TRANNY. nothing else was done.

He has a mildly built H22, he ran faster with the GSR tranny.

ITS SIMPLE, REALLY EASY. the GSR has BETTER gearing, and is EASIER to find than some Accord EURO SIR type-R tranny that barely exists.

How many h22 trannys out there have LSD? how many GSR trannys do? HOW EASY is it to get a GSR tranny? how EASY is it to get an T2W4 or whatever the fuckl its called.

What about the fact that KNOW ONE MAKES any gearing kits for the H22? I can call ATS RIGHT now an get a 4.9 FD for the GSR, or a gearset.

fact is the GSR has better gearing, PERIOD. whether you want to beleive it or not.

MY KNOWLEDGE>you

[allmotoronly]

MY KNOWLEDGE>you

LOL

[H23]

SKUNKED on HT ran .4 FASTER in the 1/4mile PLUS picked up 5mph trap speed. JUST FROM SWITCHING TO THE GSR TRANNY. nothing else was done.

Link?

Because seeing how the 3rd, 4th, and 5th gear are identical and 1st and 2nd are extremely close, I doubt the tranmission alone would help almost half a second.

He has a mildly built H22, he ran faster with the GSR tranny.

That's funny, I didn't know H22 and GSR transmissions were swappable. Oh wait, they aren't.

ITS SIMPLE, REALLY EASY. the GSR has BETTER gearing, and is EASIER to find than some Accord EURO SIR type-R tranny that barely exists.

So what? I don't give a shit how easy it is to find. A D16 is real easy to find. I guess that gives it an adavantage too, huh?

How many h22 trannys out there have LSD? how many GSR trannys do? HOW EASY is it to get a GSR tranny? how EASY is it to get an T2W4 or whatever the fuckl its called.

H22 - 1

GSR - 1

Pretty easy I guess, they're common. So are H22s. The JDM LSD H22 transmission is the M2B4.

What about the fact that KNOW ONE MAKES any gearing kits for the H22? I can call ATS RIGHT now an get a 4.9 FD for the GSR, or a gearset.

Wow, that's awesome.. you want a cookie?

fact is the GSR has better gearing, PERIOD. whether you want to beleive it or not.

Uh, ok.

MY KNOWLEDGE>you

Dude, you are so rad.

I think it's totally cute you have a cheerleader.


Considering an H22 swap with an LSD tranny from HMO would run $600-700 less than a B18 swap and you get 10-20 more horsepower with .4L more to work with, you'd be stupid to get the B18 swap.

[Vteckidd]

Link?

Because seeing how the 3rd, 4th, and 5th gear are identical and 1st and 2nd are extremely close, I doubt the tranmission alone would help almost half a second.



That's funny, I didn't know H22 and GSR transmissions were swappable. Oh wait, they aren't.

Really, LISTEN NOOB, quite while your WAY BEHIND

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1475661

(6:18 PM 10/2/2006) VtecKiDD: did your old h22 tranny have an LSD or was it open diff?

(7:02 PM 10/2/2006) skunked: open diff, 1.7/1.6 60's on it though

(7:12 PM 10/2/2006) VtecKiDD: thanks, im having an arugment on H22 tranny gearing on a local forum , and people are trying to say that the H22 tranny is way better for all motor LOL.
i of course referenced your drop in time an your trap speed increase from swithcing to a GSR tranny. but someone said that you went from an OPEN diff to a LSD so its not an accurate comaprison. I was trying to prove them wrong based on your 60ft times


(7:19 PM 10/2/2006) skunked: it actually is becasue my 60 foots did not improve with LSD. The bigger difference was the FD change from 4.2 to 4.4. Now I have a 4.7 ITR gear box

(7:21 PM 10/2/2006) VtecKiDD: wow interesting, have you run it with the 4.7 yet?

(7:22 PM 10/2/2006) skunked: no, not yet.

So yes, the GSR tranny made his car run FASTER. You dont think its possible, well , dont take my word for it, ask someone that has done it. Also, have you ever compared a GSR tranny to a H22 tranny in any of your cars? do you have a GSR powered car? an h22 powered car? please list up your expertise

So what? I don't give a shit how easy it is to find. A D16 is real easy to find. I guess that gives it an adavantage too, huh?

No MORON, what im trying to say is instead of giving people this pipe dream about a super rare tranny they have to hunt down an pay big money for, be REALISTIC. Have you ever built a car before?

H22 - 1

GSR - 1

Pretty easy I guess, they're common. So are H22s. The JDM LSD H22 transmission is the M2B4.

Again, an h22 tranny with an LSD is still not better than a GSR tranny without an LSD. 4.4 FD >4.2FD. Do you know ANYTHING about all motor cars?

Dude, you are so rad.

I think it's totally cute you have a cheerleader.

Nextt time come back with some info, or ill school you again

[H23]

So yes, the GSR tranny made his car run FASTER. You dont think its possible, well , dont take my word for it, ask someone that has done it. Also, have you ever compared a GSR tranny to a H22 tranny in any of your cars? do you have a GSR powered car? an h22 powered car? please list up your expertise

Faster by how much? In that same thread he also claims to have added new mounts, a new header, and that transmission with a cusco LSD. Hardly sounds like just a transmission.. who knows what else he could've done? Maybe it was just a better run? Maybe it was at a lower elevation? This hardly gives me any faith in the sense that he ran .4 seconds quicker with just the S80 tranny.

No MORON, what im trying to say is instead of giving people this pipe dream about a super rare tranny they have to hunt down an pay big money for, be REALISTIC. Have you ever built a car before?

Go to HMO, look at the H-series motors, and stfu.

Again, an h22 tranny with an LSD is still not better than a GSR tranny without an LSD. 4.4 FD >4.2FD. Do you know ANYTHING about all motor cars?

Yes, I know it has a higher FD. How does that have anything to do with my knowledge of all motor cars? If my assumption is correct, FD's have to do with drivetrains, not motor setups.

Nextt time come back with some info, or ill school you again

Wow, tough words.

[allmotoronly]

just ban his ass. he is just making as ass of himself. it is pretty amusing though. this kid doesnt know what the FUCK he is talking about. after MR 2JZKIDD proved him wrong all he could come up with was

Wow, tough words.

what a douche

again H23, get the FUCK out of this thread if you are not contributing to MY THREAD, which you are not. We all know that B series parts are easier to find, and the gearing is clearly better in the GSR tranny. If anyone is an expert on N/A H22A's its me. I have had a couple and I know what works and what doesnt. I may not say a lot here on IA but I am around. The SiR S-spec tranny I had in my last prelude was cool, except for the fact that it was impossible to find a replacement. If i needed a GSR tranny, I could make a few calls and have one TODAY. If I needed a LSD H22A tranny, I would have to make a few calls TO JAPAN since they never offered a LSD tranny in a USDM H22A powered car. Only the JDM models got LSD. The JDM 4g prelude SiR and the JDM 5g Prelude SiR S-Spec/ CL1 Accord Euro R. Get your facts right before you get on here and run your stupid fucking mouth.

[H23]

just ban his ass. he is just making as ass of himself. it is pretty amusing though. this kid doesnt know what the FUCK he is talking about. after MR 2JZKIDD proved him wrong all he could come up with was


what a douche

Re-read my post.

again H23, get the FUCK out of this thread if you are not contributing to MY THREAD, which you are not.

For the OP, to stay on topic, go with the F20b. It's got the power of an H22 with iron sleeves. 200 hp would be plenty as is, but if you ever feel the need to build it/boost it or both, you don't need to deal with FRM. The K-series shouldn't even be in here with a $4k budget..

However, I don't really know why I'm helping you after calling me a "dumb son of a bitch." Go ahead, listen to 2JZ boy.

We all know that B series parts are easier to find, and the gearing is clearly better in the GSR tranny. If anyone is an expert on N/A H22A's its me. I have had a couple and I know what works and what doesnt. I may not say a lot here on IA but I am around. The SiR S-spec tranny I had in my last prelude was cool, except for the fact that it was impossible to find a replacement. If i needed a GSR tranny, I could make a few calls and have one TODAY. If I needed a LSD H22A tranny, I would have to make a few calls TO JAPAN since they never offered a LSD tranny in a USDM H22A powered car. Only the JDM models got LSD. The JDM 4g prelude SiR and the JDM 5g Prelude SiR S-Spec/ CL1 Accord Euro R. Get your facts right before you get on here and run your stupid fucking mouth.

Where exactly have my facts been wrong?

[allmotoronly]

Link?

Because seeing how the 3rd, 4th, and 5th gear are identical and 1st and 2nd are extremely close, I doubt the tranmission alone would help almost half a second.


That's funny, I didn't know H22 and GSR transmissions were swappable. Oh wait, they aren't.


Considering an H22 swap with an LSD tranny from HMO would run $600-700 less than a B18 swap and you get 10-20 more horsepower with .4L more to work with, you'd be stupid to get the B18 swap.

for one thing, its called a h2b conversion (H22A with B series tranny), so yes the GSR tranny will bolt up. for another, we never tried to prove that the GSR was better because it is easier to get. Its better because it is geared better, has a better FD, costs less, and its stronger and will not drop second every time you dump the clutch on slicks like the H22A tranny's. LSD H22A tranny's are expensive and hard to get.

What have you had? I have had 5 or 6 different H22A engine/tranny combinations, so I know how hard parts are to get for them. JDM tranny's take forever to get, JDM engines take even longer.

Your advice has not helped me except to realize that you dont know shit about H-series engines/tranny's.

[H23]

for one thing, its called a h2b conversion (H22A with B series tranny), so yes the GSR tranny will bolt up. for another, we never tried to prove that the GSR was better because it is easier to get. Its better because it is geared better, has a better FD, costs less, and its stronger and will not drop second every time you dump the clutch on slicks like the H22A tranny's. LSD H22A tranny's are expensive and hard to get.

Considering an H22 swap with an LSD tranny from HMO would run $600-700 less than a B18 swap and you get 10-20 more horsepower with .4L more to work with, you'd be stupid to get the B18 swap.

Good lord.. do you research anything?

What have you had? I have had 5 or 6 different H22A engine/tranny combinations, so I know how hard parts are to get for them. JDM tranny's take forever to get, JDM engines take even longer.

STFU. You are full of shit. 5 different combos? Right. I bet an H22a4 was in one of them.

Did I not tell you? I've built 20 different H22bs along with 10 more H22a's with M2B4's. Not one of them has failed and all of the H22a/M2B4 combos ran quicker times at the track. See how easy that is? Back it up with some proof. However, to be honest, I don't really care how many engines you've built.

Your advice has not helped me except to realize that you dont know shit about H-series engines/tranny's.

What, in the sense that I knew H22's are FRM and that an F20b would be better because it's iron? In the fact that I knew the H22 LSD tranny code was M2B4? I don't know where I've been proven wrong about H-series engines. I'm not the one comparing the H22a4 to other Honda motors.

Open deck rawks!!!

[98vtec]

That's funny, I didn't know H22 and GSR transmissions were swappable. Oh wait, they aren't.

you are an idiot.

You talk about all this knowledge shit yet you have never heard of H2b

gtfo noob.

[98vtec]

he's just ignorant mike, just let him be.

[allmotoronly]

he's just ignorant mike, just let him be.

he's just a dumb kid.... look at his b-day. dec 1987...