622whp UBERDATA tuned LSVTEC *MSPi/Turbo Dave Top Mount Manifold*

[Vteckidd]

I just got off the phone with Charles, and there is something going on that no one realizes. We are comparing Spoolins 3rd gear dyno pull against everyone elses 4th gear pulls.

Heres something to CHEW ON:
We opted to do a 4th gear pull towards the end but his clutch gave out an slipped. here is the half pull, you can see how much quicker it spools VS his 622 3rd gear pull-


Now for comparison, here is his 2.0L motor vs Peters DYNO DAY 4th gear pull 1.8l, UP crew correct me if i am wrong, but it should be same turbo similar setup vs 2.0l.


you can see how much sooner it spools with the 4th gear pull. Im not trying to say that we are gunning for peter or anyone else, and i realize this is Peters DAILY DRIVEN motor. its not his all out race motor. But lets take the different gears into consideration.

[silviadriftr]

I just got off the phone with Charles, and there is something going on that no one realizes. We are comparing Spoolins 3rd gear dyno pull against everyone elses 4th gear pulls.

Heres something to CHEW ON:
We opted to do a 4th gear pull towards the end but his clutch gave out an slipped.

DAMN, I can't believe I forgot about that!!!!!!

[anothaRRR]

That does look alot better...That was the thing I was referring to, and everybody took offense to it...Only question is why 3rd gear and not 4th gear from the beginning, I have always done 4th gear pulls and from what I remember so has everybody I know....

[Vteckidd]

That does look alot better...That was the thing I was referring to, and everybody took offense to it...Only question is why 3rd gear and not 4th gear from the beginning, I have always done 4th gear pulls and from what I remember so has everybody I know....

4th wouldnt hold it slipped and with the timing we were running, we didnt want to do a long extended 4th gear pull. he has no EGT gauge

[BTEC]

4th wouldnt hold it slipped and with the timing we were running, we didnt want to do a long extended 4th gear pull. he has no EGT gauge

EGT is the alternative to a wideband. Need to monitor knock sendor voltage closely when u make changes to timing. I got a ghetto way to monitor it but i dnt know if it works or not.

nebody got a car i can test it out on? lol!!!!

[silviadriftr]

EGT is the alternative to a wideband. Need to monitor knock sendor voltage closely when u make changes to timing. I got a ghetto way to monitor it but i dnt know if it works or not.

nebody got a car i can test it out on? lol!!!!

What? Run it up till it blows and then say after the motor is a melted assembly of metal, See, this is how much timing you can safely run. LOL!!!!!!!!

[B18c1Turboed]

PER MIKE:
Now for comparison, here is his 2.0L motor vs Peters DYNO DAY 4th gear pull 1.8l, UP crew correct me if i am wrong, but it should be same turbo similar setup vs 2.0l.


Ok on the white car peter is Running the HO turbo which is known to be laggier than the regular t3/t67. And not they wouldnt be the same peter is running a 1.8 vs a 2.0 how is that the same? I know the comp housing Matt is running is a 0.82a/r that dont make it a HO turbo, just my opnion!!

[silviadriftr]

PER MIKE:
Now for comparison, here is his 2.0L motor vs Peters DYNO DAY 4th gear pull 1.8l, UP crew correct me if i am wrong, but it should be same turbo similar setup vs 2.0l.


Ok on the white car peter is Running the HO turbo which is known to be laggier than the regular t3/t67. And not they wouldnt be the same peter is running a 1.8 vs a 2.0 how is that the same? I know the comp housing Matt is running is a 0.82a/r that dont make it a HO turbo, just my opnion!!

Are you saying that Matt's car would not have made more power sooner in a 4th gear pull? I see the difference in the setups and the diffence in the turbo's that you describe but also was under the impression that a 4th gear pull is where the most power can be made thats why most people do a 4th gear pull instead of a third gear.

[SPOOLIN]

PER MIKE:
Now for comparison, here is his 2.0L motor vs Peters DYNO DAY 4th gear pull 1.8l, UP crew correct me if i am wrong, but it should be same turbo similar setup vs 2.0l.


Ok on the white car peter is Running the HO turbo which is known to be laggier than the regular t3/t67. And not they wouldnt be the same peter is running a 1.8 vs a 2.0 how is that the same? I know the comp housing Matt is running is a 0.82a/r that dont make it a HO turbo, just my opnion!!

THERE IS ONLY 1 Difference between my turbo and the H.O. and its the p trim wheel which correct me if i am wrong usually is a slightly laggier wheel.

[Vteckidd]

PER MIKE:
Now for comparison, here is his 2.0L motor vs Peters DYNO DAY 4th gear pull 1.8l, UP crew correct me if i am wrong, but it should be same turbo similar setup vs 2.0l.


Ok on the white car peter is Running the HO turbo which is known to be laggier than the regular t3/t67. And not they wouldnt be the same peter is running a 1.8 vs a 2.0 how is that the same? I know the comp housing Matt is running is a 0.82a/r that dont make it a HO turbo, just my opnion!!

see what i bolded

Peters was a 1.8l with stock head, im not sure on camshafts, rods and pistons, and a similar manifold and turbo.

i was merely comparing POWERBAND, not peak whp. What i was saying was that if we show a 4th gear pull vs peters 4th gear pull, we see that it was spooling FASTER than peters, and was on par to make ALOT more power than what peter made THAT DAY. and i would expect so, Spoolins is a 2.0l and peters was a 1.8l. I would like to see peters 700+whp dyno out of his 2.0l graphed over Spoolins , that would give us a great comparison of gear vs gear and spool vs spool.

Peters is the only B series 600whp dyno i have to compare against, thats why i used it. im just saying the "laggy " powerband argument is based on incorrect data. When i post the 4th gear pull from spoolin vs his 622whp 3rd gear pull and peters 4th gear pull , it is evident that we were comparing apples to oranges.

had his clutch held, it would have made 630-650 i bet money on it. that would have been a better powerband and the spool would have been faster, which is evident.

[BABY J]

EGT is the alternative to a wideband. Need to monitor knock sendor voltage closely when u make changes to timing. I got a ghetto way to monitor it but i dnt know if it works or not.

nebody got a car i can test it out on? lol!!!!

I will volunteer a ride for you...




Let me know if you think you can tune it... I need it corner-weighted too to dial in the suspension as well. I can go by 4 Wal-Mart bathroom scales that you can use.

Baby J

[silviadriftr]

I will volunteer a ride for you...




Let me know if you think you can tune it... I need it corner-weighted too to dial in the suspension as well. I can go by 4 Wal-Mart bathroom scales that you can use.

Baby J

Talk about being aerodynamically challenged. You may find the car is a little right side heavy when you corner weight it!!!!!LOL...

[BTEC]

I will volunteer a ride for you...




Let me know if you think you can tune it... I need it corner-weighted too to dial in the suspension as well. I can go by 4 Wal-Mart bathroom scales that you can use.

Baby J

i dnt tune suspension but if i did, those scales are perfect. i used tohe digital ones on my car. LOL!!!!