To make 200whp+.... what's required?

[Black4DrEK]

GSR block 81.5mm ctr, b16 head supertech vavletrain, skunk2 tuner 3s,hytech replicas tuned on 93 made 218 whp and ran 12.4s

DING DING DING

[bigdare23]

I have used 81.5mmCTR pistons in 2 NA builds, and I NEVER had a problem also made Great power..

170hp 117tq B16a... NOT even fully built!

http://www.zealautowerks.com/bseries.html

Checkout the c/r with a b16

then checkout the c/r with a GSR, TYPE R, LS-V


That's why Mike said they suck.

[Black4DrEK]

12.8.1?

[Vteckidd]

12.8.1?

Imagine that, knowing what a compression ratio of a piston is before you build a motor

Fucking lost art

why would you run a 12.8-13:1 piston in a motor that would make the same power as a piston that gives you 11.5:1 ?

Why run a flat top over a dome?

[Black4DrEK]

jon at Importxp said ITR block , CTR pistons, B16 head would be a Great build!

I know its gonna have High compression

[Vteckidd]

jon at Importxp said ITR block , CTR pistons, B16 head would be a Great build!

I know its gonna have High compression

That's a shitty build let me know what your knock count is on pump gas

[Black4DrEK]

That's a shitty build let me know what your knock count is on pump gas

O really...Ill let you know how it goes LOL

[bigdare23]

O really...Ill let you know how it goes LOL

There is a 23 page thread on H-T about CTR pistons, I suggest you read it

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=717928

[Black4DrEK]

There is a 23 page thread on H-T about CTR pistons, I suggest you read it

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=717928

Im not putting CTR pistons in a LSV or GSR Anytime so I DONT care..

[top_speed]

That's a shitty build let me know what your knock count is on pump gas

be honest very motor, and evry tune is diffrent... at first we werent sure if the motor was gonna knock but we put 93 and tuned it and no knocks car ran good and no signs of detention

[bigdare23]

13.93:1 for lsvtec w/ b16 head
14.35:1 w/ gsr head
13.08:1 for gsr
12.73:1 for type r


I don't know bout you, but I wouldn't want to DD a car with that compression ratio with only 93.

[top_speed]

13.93:1 for lsvtec w/ b16 head
14.35:1 w/ gsr head
13.08:1 for gsr
12.73:1 for type r


I don't know bout you, but I wouldn't want to DD a car with that compression ratio with only 93.

its not that bad lol i use to drive my car every where with no problems

[Vteckidd]

its not that bad lol i use to drive my car every where with no problems

How many miles did you get out of the engine

[Vteckidd]

Stop giving advise your comments are useless and prove you haven't learned anything.

Why should he "go bigger than stock"? I made 197/139 with stock itr cams.

You haven't learned bigger isn't better.

[Black4DrEK]

Stop giving advise your comments are useless and prove you haven't learned anything.

Why should he "go bigger than stock"? I made 197/139 with stock itr cams.

You haven't learned bigger isn't better.

Just cuz I dont want to build a motor YOUR way.... LOL GTFO!!!

and with your STOCK cams on that build, you DIDNT hit 200 did you? NO

[Vteckidd]

Just cuz I dont want to build a motor YOUR way.... LOL GTFO!!!

and with your STOCK cams on that build, you DIDNT hit 200 did you? NO

Show me a STock motor that made as much power with just a header. Scotty thinks it's the highest type-r motor dynoed he's ever done with I/h/e

197whp with a stock itr motor is more reliable and will last longer and be more efficient than that motor you listed

but you dot know anything about that.

[2.0lef_itbs]

You haven't learned bigger isn't better.

i've said this and i usually get this lol

reps for Vteckidd holding his ground and everything he says makes sense.you dont have to always be using the biggest shit out there cause at one point it doesn't help

[Vteckidd]

I'm done giving free advice seems you guys know more than me guess my time has come and gone lol

there's a reason why people consistently make power and others slap motors together and continuously have issues or never make any power

I know where I stand

[top_speed]

I'm done giving free advice seems you guys know more than me guess my time has come and gone lol

there's a reason why people consistently make power and others slap motors together and continuously have issues or never make any power

I know where I stand

you make sence not saying you dont but evry build is diffrent and evry1 has there own PERSONAL way they wanna build there motors even if it blows up or it works i have learned that going forged is better then going with ctr cast pistons due to detention and other reasons but it was a lil project to mess around with

[Black4DrEK]

Just dont act like, YOUR build is THE WAY you should do it.. there 1000000 Diff ways to build a B series man damn!

You act as if other folks are a Dumb ass when the suggest something DIFFERENT then what YOU did..

[teh_mugen18]

Just dont act like, YOUR build is THE WAY you should do it.. there 1000000 Diff ways to build a B series man damn!

You act as if other folks are a Dumb ass when the suggest something DIFFERENT then what YOU did..

and there's a whole 'nother story on how long motors last based on how they're set up as well... sure, they can make horsepower numbers but then only last for a few hundred miles before they need to be rebuilt. This thread is also supposed to be about a motor that can LAST and make numbers. It sounds like CTR pistons are a definite no-no for a long lasting NA setup.

[top_speed]

and there's a whole 'nother story on how long motors last based on how they're set up as well... sure, they can make horsepower numbers but then only last for a few hundred miles before they need to be rebuilt. This thread is also supposed to be about a motor that can LAST and make numbers. It sounds like CTR pistons are a definite no-no for a long lasting NA setup.

by last what due you mean? because my setup lasted over 1 year driving from ny to the race track in nj all the time and i raced the car also

[teh_mugen18]

^^^lasting, meaning running for either a really long time or a high number of miles... more than just a few thousand or so. I dont really know what the "average" number of miles a built motor lasts, but, i'm it can't be anything like an oem one would due to the excessive abuse they usually have to endure.

[Vteckidd]

Just dont act like, YOUR build is THE WAY you should do it.. there 1000000 Diff ways to build a B series man damn!

You act as if other folks are a Dumb ass when the suggest something DIFFERENT then what YOU did..

You aren't suggesting anything you are recommending parts with no experience or facts to back it up!

I don't give advice on nuclear physics cause I don't know shit about it , you're giving advice on engine building without even knowing the compression of a fucking piston or the specs of a cam!!!

The one thing I hate is people giving bad advice and defending it.

[Black4DrEK]

[bigdare23]

I know the CTR piston are NOT good for LSV or GSR,, but With ITR it WILL be fine!

[Black4DrEK]

Im sorry i didnt Name EVERY cam with its Exact spec!

And every Diff piston with its spec too!!

HAHAHA... WTF.. Get over your self

[Vteckidd]

If this is what the all motor guys have become then I'm glad I walked away when I did

I'm done good luck you'll figure it out one day

[112480]

If this is what the all motor guys have become then I'm glad I walked away when I did

I'm done good luck you'll figure it out one day

No its not what they've become mike. Its just certain people r gonna have their opinions REGARDLESS of how much experience u have. These r the people that will always have that "oh u think u know everything" mentallity. so just ignore them.

[punkr6]

If this is what the all motor guys have become then I'm glad I walked away when I did

I'm done good luck you'll figure it out one day

the fact that you keep arguing with these retards amazes me....

[112480]

the fact that you keep arguing with these retards amazes me....

x2, discusstion is one thing. arguing.....

[Starrfire]

by last what due you mean? because my setup lasted over 1 year driving from ny to the race track in nj all the time and i raced the car also

A year isn't a great deal of time really. So your engine lasted 365 days. Nice.....

[NEMO]

Thanx for the list LOL!! Saved to my harddrive LOL!!!

pick me first

[112480]

pick me first

LOL! after seeing the vid of u and mike race u and luis(KIZDAWAY) r on the top of my list

[all-mota]

some people are ignorant as hell that why i stopped answering pm's about people building engines and everything. assholes ask for advice and then go against what i say and tell me what they are going to do wether it works or not even when i tell them it's a bad idea.

people don't realize everything has been done by someone one time or another with good and bad results just because you have the same setup as someone doesn't mean your going to make the same power because every engine is different, but you can't tell people that.



and the reason ctr pistons suck ass is because they are the heaviest piston you can put in engine the dome hurts flame travel in the chamber and for the slight bump in compression and the extra weight the same power can be made with a different piston.
when you get to a certain hp number volumetric efficiency plays a big role in how much air a engine can pump weight matters and what cams work best with a certain compression number are important. thats why the same people keep doing stuff the same way and don't ever have good results is because they have to realize they are not the exception to the rule.

[Starrfire]

biggest shit requires the biggest velocity. And when all your ports are "small" and you have big ass cams the velocity of air going in will be slow making for an inefficient motor. Biggest is only best when you have other parts to accomodate it. That is why so many people are dissapointed when they buy all these "stage 3" cams and have way high compression that don't make shit tons of power. Plus when you have really large cams it's gonna be hard to get enough air in at high speed with vtec at a normal crossover point. Power bands move way up, otherwise you have huge dips in power.

[ef6honda]

how about i made 300 hp and 240wtq on my d series boosting 10psi

[Jenson]

Flat top pistons only, get your compression from the head. I have a fantastic clover leaf P72 head that will yield 13:1, somewhere, never got around to using it. Domes are bad, VE good. To the OP, if your looking for mileage, go with stock. Like Kidd said, stock ITR motor, Pro1's, good header, job done. Ive only built one forged B series that went over 25K miles, all others needed rings at that point.

[BABY J]

Flat top pistons only, get your compression from the head. I have a fantastic clover leaf P72 head that will yield 13:1, somewhere, never got around to using it. Domes are bad, VE good. To the OP, if your looking for mileage, go with stock. Like Kidd said, stock ITR motor, Pro1's, good header, job done. Ive only built one forged B series that went over 25K miles, all others needed rings at that point.

Lies. Give me a xmas tree or statue of liberty topped slug that inhibits airflow into and out of the head and that weighs 8 pounds each. LOL. I also like the fact that said slug breaks the flame front into 2 "separate" explosions in the cylinder - this definitely can decrease the amount of the mixture that gets burned - but that's okay bc I like pissing my fuel away and making less power. Lol. All the kids are doing it.

[SLow_POke]

I think people fail to realise that this builds have been going for years. I remember this same BS in 2001.

I'm happy to see where the knowledge has gone.

Either way Im not one to jump ont he bandwagon But U dont have to listen to vteckidd or anyone else not following your "set up" But take the advise given to u and at least do some homework. dint go by what some shop told you.

I remember getting flamed for degreeing cams in my garage back in Cali. Getting flame by my friends of friends saying well this shop said u didnt need to they just slap it on and made power. wow thats why very few shops are still around

I guess Piston speed, VE, rod ratio,


i cant beleive i missed this thread.