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^^^^ CTR pistons suck noob
And running "stage 2 cams" on itr valvetrain is awesome if you want a dropped valve
stage 2 cams? What stage 2 cams, crowed, blox, skunk2 tuner, pro, obx, web, crane, toda, surely they aren't all the same!?
why stage 2 cams why not pro1s? Why not toda a's?
Don't give advice if you don't know what you're talking about
Why do CTR suck? LOL
And NOT sure which cams to get out of SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many made...JackASS
Im just saying something NOT stock, go bigger then your regular CTR or ITR cams...
EDIT* I know for a FACT the build i just mention would make VERY close to 200 if not a tad more!
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Originally Posted by Black4DrEK
i thought you had more sense than that honestly. you cant just slap parts together n/a and expect gobs of power. ITS ABOUT EFFICIENCY :goodjob:
and just for gp i thought you all might like to see this...
k24a block
2009 TSX pistons 87mm 11.5 compression
stock RBC with stock TB
ASP megaphone header
stock head with ok cams
http://www.k20a.org/upload/274baby.jpg
As you see there is potential to make more power with better manifold and cams maybe.
Tuned on e85
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i made good power and times with ctr pistons and it lasted a long time and took a beating BUT spending the extra money for cp,weisco is always betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
with all this talk about efficiency, is this efficiency ''thing'' something that i would be able to put together with some math formulas/numbers, and then based on exact numbers and calculations, build an NA motor that would pretty much kill in all ranges of power? (essentially anyways :o)Quote:
Originally Posted by mr.koupe
Because, i know that everyone says when you port heads or get them ported/flow tested, that there is a limit to how much flow a head can give before performance is actually hurt slightly... How can one tell what is too much? I'm sure there has to be something where the numbers can be definitively calculated out, based on compression ratios, etc.
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Originally Posted by Black4DrEK
GSR block 81.5mm ctr, b16 head supertech vavletrain, skunk2 tuner 3s,hytech replicas tuned on 93 made 218 whp and ran 12.4s
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Originally Posted by Black4DrEK
http://www.zealautowerks.com/bseries.html
Checkout the c/r with a b16
then checkout the c/r with a GSR, TYPE R, LS-V
That's why Mike said they suck. :goodjob:
Good rule of thumb is if you don't know don't answerQuote:
Originally Posted by Black4DrEK
look up flame front and combustion efficiency then tell me why a ctr piston is good
or
you can go look at the thread I posted 5 years ago about how high compression ctr pistons are the main reason engines fail.
You realize the engine you recommended him (itr block, b16 head, ctr pistons ) is 13:1ish compression right?
Why would you recommend a cam if you have no idea what the lifts, duration, etc are?
The only one being a jackass is you, you're giving advise on build parts you know nothing about but "y0 cuz my boi ran it and it run good " is apparently good enough to recommend to other people
12.8.1?
That's a nikos graph and should be taken with a grain of salt his graphs are always 20% higher than anyone elseQuote:
Originally Posted by mr.koupe
and his "ok " cams are $2000 ips cams
Imagine that, knowing what a compression ratio of a piston is before you build a motorQuote:
Originally Posted by Black4DrEK
Fucking lost art
why would you run a 12.8-13:1 piston in a motor that would make the same power as a piston that gives you 11.5:1 ?
Why run a flat top over a dome?
jon at Importxp said ITR block , CTR pistons, B16 head would be a Great build!
I know its gonna have High compression
13.93:1 for lsvtec w/ b16 head
14.35:1 w/ gsr head
13.08:1 for gsr
12.73:1 for type r
I don't know bout you, but I wouldn't want to DD a car with that compression ratio with only 93.
its not that bad lol i use to drive my car every where with no problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by bigdare23
Stop giving advise your comments are useless and prove you haven't learned anything.
Why should he "go bigger than stock"? I made 197/139 with stock itr cams.
You haven't learned bigger isn't better.
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Originally Posted by top_speed
DING DING DING:goodjob:
That's a shitty build let me know what your knock count is on pump gasQuote:
Originally Posted by Black4DrEK
How many miles did you get out of the engineQuote:
Originally Posted by top_speed
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Originally Posted by Vteckidd
Just cuz I dont want to build a motor YOUR way.... LOL GTFO!!!
and with your STOCK cams on that build, you DIDNT hit 200 did you? NO
O really...Ill let you know how it goes:goodjob: LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
I'm done giving free advice seems you guys know more than me guess my time has come and gone lol
there's a reason why people consistently make power and others slap motors together and continuously have issues or never make any power
I know where I stand
be honest very motor, and evry tune is diffrent... at first we werent sure if the motor was gonna knock but we put 93 and tuned it and no knocks car ran good and no signs of detentionQuote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
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Originally Posted by Black4DrEK
There is a 23 page thread on H-T about CTR pistons, I suggest you read it :goodjob:
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=717928
Just dont act like, YOUR build is THE WAY you should do it.. there 1000000 Diff ways to build a B series man damn!
You act as if other folks are a Dumb ass when the suggest something DIFFERENT then what YOU did..
Show me a STock motor that made as much power with just a header. Scotty thinks it's the highest type-r motor dynoed he's ever done with I/h/eQuote:
Originally Posted by Black4DrEK
197whp with a stock itr motor is more reliable and will last longer and be more efficient than that motor you listed
but you dot know anything about that.
you make sence not saying you dont but evry build is diffrent and evry1 has there own PERSONAL way they wanna build there motors even if it blows up or it works i have learned that going forged is better then going with ctr cast pistons due to detention and other reasons but it was a lil project to mess around withQuote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
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Originally Posted by bigdare23
Im not putting CTR pistons in a LSV or GSR Anytime so I DONT care..
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Originally Posted by Black4DrEK
and there's a whole 'nother story on how long motors last based on how they're set up as well... sure, they can make horsepower numbers but then only last for a few hundred miles before they need to be rebuilt. This thread is also supposed to be about a motor that can LAST and make numbers. It sounds like CTR pistons are a definite no-no for a long lasting NA setup.
You aren't suggesting anything you are recommending parts with no experience or facts to back it up!Quote:
Originally Posted by Black4DrEK
I don't give advice on nuclear physics cause I don't know shit about it , you're giving advice on engine building without even knowing the compression of a fucking piston or the specs of a cam!!!
The one thing I hate is people giving bad advice and defending it.
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Im sorry i didnt Name EVERY cam with its Exact spec!
And every Diff piston with its spec too!!
HAHAHA... WTF.. Get over your self
If this is what the all motor guys have become then I'm glad I walked away when I did
I'm done good luck you'll figure it out one day
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Originally Posted by Black4DrEK
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by last what due you mean? because my setup lasted over 1 year driving from ny to the race track in nj all the time and i raced the car alsoQuote:
Originally Posted by teh_mugen18
^^^lasting, meaning running for either a really long time or a high number of miles... more than just a few thousand or so. I dont really know what the "average" number of miles a built motor lasts, but, i'm it can't be anything like an oem one would due to the excessive abuse they usually have to endure.
A year isn't a great deal of time really. So your engine lasted 365 days. Nice.....Quote:
by last what due you mean? because my setup lasted over 1 year driving from ny to the race track in nj all the time and i raced the car also
I've seen over 250whp locally from an H-Frankenstein...10 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by 112480
I know where two of these engines are still sitting begging to be put into cars too lol!
No its not what they've become mike. Its just certain people r gonna have their opinions REGARDLESS of how much experience u have. These r the people that will always have that "oh u think u know everything" mentallity. so just ignore them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vteckidd
pick me first :goodjob: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 112480