Thus this is true. That's why I would trust his word. His income was (is) based on how fast he goes, so if he says the f22 head is the best head Honda made, there must be something special about. Plus, the Honda scene was dominated by B-series for a long time (until the K-series became ready available), so not much research was put into every other Honda series motor. Hell, people are just now jumping on the h22 bandwagon even tho that motor is 15+ years old. My point is, since other motor are actually getting aftermarket support now why not try them? They tend to have larger stroke and bores, so that mean at least more torque. There rod/stroke ratios may not be the best, but I don't plan to rev the piss out of it anyways. Plus, that haven't stopped people from building b20Vtecs or LSVtecsOriginally Posted by Vteckidd
I don't want to build a pure F22 because I want to utilize the stroke of the F23. Plus if I'm not mistaken, the F23 block is just a stroked F22 block (someone correct me if I'm wrong). So "technically" it will be just putting together a stroke f22. Mike, we both know 190whp is not easy with OEM cams (even with CTR cams) without bumping the c/r. Then you have to factor in machine work. Stock B16s can't see that, stock GSRs I doubt will touch that, stock B18Cs may see it if you tune the shit out of it, and you can't really put compare hybrid motors because they aren't stock (and most people bump the c/r when building them). The H23 VTEC can make that amount because of the stroke and bore (which is larger than all b-series motors). Plus this motor is not too common, and I might add is expensive. Can B-series make horsepower? Yes, but limited when it comes to torque unless you sleeve it and overbore or stroke it, and that's the reason why I'm considering other motors
Think about it, if there wasn't anything wrong with the LS head then there would be no reason swap unless you just wanted to fake the funk so everybody would go"He got a GSR". Yes they wanted a cheaper route to make power (dont everybody). Since power is made in the head, and a GSR head flows better than a LS head, I would consider that to be a reason to swap head in addition to cost factor.
This is true to a point, but I look at it like this. Doing any other swap I would need everything except the stuff dealing with the rebuild (and the F2D kit) unless I was going to half ass. That can easily add $1000 on top of the price of the swap. So that's now $2500 for a stock b16 swap to $4500 for a stock Type R swap buying from a respectable dealer (since I WILL NOT buy a motor 2nd hand that I plan on dropping in without a complete rebuild). And that's not modifying it at all. I believe I can put this motor together and in my EF hatch for slightly more than a b16 swap and be able to dust the floor with any stock b-series motor and many modified because of the torque it would be making. Sure it won't rev, but you only rev where you make power, and their powerband peaks at like 6-7k. So I won't have to rev that high.
I came to the conclusion that b16 are good reliable motors, but they are not great if you plan on making power N/A. My b16 made 176/116 untuned the last time I dynoed it before I pulled it, and this was with CTR cams, bolt-ons, and a stock block and head. The problem was this motor was peaky as hell!!! I made like 100hp until 5.5k the I gained 76hp the last 3k. That's a sucky powerband. Cars that made less HP but more TQ would jump on me and I would have to come from behind (that's if I was able to). So I don't really care about max power now. My concerns is usable power. B-Series make good power, but you have to rev the piss out of it and that's not what I'm looking for.
Last rebuilding motor doesn't cost "too" much if you goto the right places know the right people. So I believe I can have the motor machined assemble for relatively cheap.
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