thats a big reason.....Originally Posted by JITB
Another reason is that it is easier to be/sounds cool/respectable online since you're hiding behind a guise of anonymity. Thus, when someone says something, without even knowing who said it they can command a following since they are so popular with rep points lol when in fact, IRL they're prob a loser who you would not want to be like at all!
Do you believe you post as much garbage as Sammich? lol! What does your opinion matter if you aren't involved with cars built for speed?
Five years ago there were local daily driver civics running 10's in the 1/4.
I've known of several daily driver FWD's that will tear up most cars in the mountains completely destroying bikes (but everybody knows bikes are slower in turns, especially heavier ones).
The first time I ever ran autocross I was running 1 second behind the STI's on a mid 50 second course and was the 3rd fastest FWD of the day...on 17" wheels with stock shocks and lowering springs lol. If I had run the afternoon session I would have had the fastest FWD of the day. I think I finished 8th for the session and 14th overall for the day while trying to get traction coming out of the turns with an open diff lol...on overweight 17" wheels.
I won't even get into all the SCCA & NASA cars that tear up race tracks every weekend. 151 mph at Road Atlanta in a Prelude is fast.
LOL @ people like you who don't even understand it's function.
There is a difference between reading, and understanding what you've read!
I never said fwd cars couldn't be fast, they can be very fast. But I think it is stupid to make on go fast....if you don't like my opinion then fuck you
ok cupcake?
How is it stupid?? lol. There are classes that suit a FWD car more then a RWD car, the list goes on of pros and cons. You don't know what you're even talking about.
I understand it's function, but ppl like you who do not go out and buy parts from retailers who support the scene are a big reason the scene is dragging!
When you buy a lip from home depot the company that makes lips for miatas isn't seeing any money. So you're buying products from a company that isn't helping the import scene, not advertising in mags, nor forums, nor setting up vendor booths. So you're leaving the company that makes quality parts for your car out to dry and they're suffering, and since they're suffering they haev no money to advertise or to setup vendor booths at local events which perpetuates the cycle.
What are you getting butt hurt over? You clearly said "BUT A FWD CAR COULD NEVER BE A GOOD CAR TO MODIFY FOR SPEED IMO". I don't see any other way to comprehend it other than "a FWD car could never be a good car to modify for speed".
1) I could care less about classes/professional racing and what they do, that's them and I am going to do me. This is the type of attitude that degrades the scene, I sit here saying I don't like to mod fwd cars and you start bashing, not that I care of course....but you need to understand not everyone feels the way simontibbett feels ok?
I do know what I am talking about and rwd/awd cars are more fun to drive, thus if I were to mod something it would def be rwd/awd
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NissanTun3r, all of your posts are filled with fallacy.
Please stop abusing yourself.
Where are the fallacies?
They are nonexistent...just because you may take my words out of context does not my my posts false.
Read closely....they are a plenty.
Try looking at the topic of FWD cars between yourself, Speedminded, and SimonTibbet. Its there, good luck!
you are wrong
LOL! Without motorsports there wouldn't be a scene. People have been racing cars since cars were invented. From Grand Prix racing in the 20's to hod rod's and rat rods in the 50's it's always been about speed and/or looking good.
Simon spending $10 making his own lip verses a couple hundred on a Garage Vary lip isn't killing the scene lol! He's the one involved in it. He's the one working at car events. Parts don't get tested on street cars before they see the track. The R&D is on the track then it goes to the street.
You drive a 3,000lb FWD. What's the quickest, best handling, FWD you've ever driven?
this is why i love the domestic world,it never changes.
The way I see it is if everyone would mod their car to their taste and not give a fuck what other people think the scene would be in much better shape. I love all types of imports. I bought my Celica GT-S because I wanted to be different. I have modded my car to my taste, and I really don't care who likes or dislikes me ride. I have some parts that would be considered rice on this forum, but I don't consider them rice. I have an aftermarket body kit but it is authentic, and was painted and installed properly. Does that make me a ricer just because I have a kit?
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I modded my STi according to what I wanted. I would likely get picked on by a lot of subaru guys for going with a big, laggy turbo and knock-off wheels and removing the wing and putting a big heavy stereo in...etc. Fact is, at the end of the day I make the payment, so I have the ability to do whatever I feel like to my car. Same goes for the civic I'm building, yes it has all been done 1000 times over, but I have always wanted a nice and simple K20 EK, so that's exactly what I'm building. I could care less if anybody says they don't like my cars, that's their problem. I don't see a problem with the "scene" (if you can even call it that anymore) I see a problem with the people. Me personally I always go for performance first, looks secondary. ALWAYS. However I really can't knock somebody for the whole LV interior, stanced civic with wheels that stick out and such because, while it may not be what I personally like, it isn't my problem. I DO have a problem with the kid who has that civic and wants to give me shit because my car has wheel gap on some Drag's. I bought my wheels for their width. I put all the money I had leftover into the best tires I could possibly afford.
Oh and Nissantun3r- you're still obviously an idiot who is just here to try to pick fights. The OP wasn't saying anything about his car at all, he was simply stating what he thought about the trends that he has seen lately. Who are you to call him a hypocrite for not "doing anything for the scene" when you yourself are the exact kind of person who ruins shit for everyone else? You drive a stock Maxima, yet want to bitch at other people and put them down? That is laughable at best, let us know when YOU do ANYTHING that can be considered part of the "scene" at ALL. Til' then feel free to go fuck a cactus bareback.
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airmax- you were spot on
nissantuner- dude, stfu. if you would have red my original post correctly you would understand where my post as well as every other post in this thread came from. i know i drive a fucking integra. no shit sherlock, why do i drive it because back when i bought this car in 05 it was the one i liked the most. i am not being a hypocrite? where the fuck did you get that mindset? please do tell. i even specifically stated in my OP that i at one point wanted a bomex kit but didnt get it at the time because it was to expensive, so what did i do then? went for something else that i PERSONALLY liked, a lip kit. still looked nice, still was to my own tastes. now if your going to sit here an fucking call mea hypocrite you can seriously go kill yourself. Like mike said, i am not one to fucking roll up into a parking lot thinking my car is the shit becasue it has gold wheels and a OEM optional lip kit. i roll up in a parking lot to guess what, ROLL UP. peoples thoughts and opinions on my car are the last thing on my mind, the simple and clean look is the look i go for. get the fuck over yourself.
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I personally find it humorous that the people who are into motorsports and drive RWD cars frequently are sticking up for fwd and the guy with a fwd sedan is discussing how unworthy of performance it is.
Regardless of drivetrain setup - FWD, RWD, AWD, etc. - any car can be made to be fast. But everyone is so afraid of doing anything different that they end up with Hondas and the same modifications. Those that truly care about performance aren't the ones making threads about their freshly sharpied fender or finish panel. While a good portion of why people end up with Hondas is the bandwagon movement, there are legit reasons why people pick them to modify in the first place. I agree with blacknightteg - so what if his car looks the same as others out there? Its his car to do with what he wants. But I bet if he posted a picture thread about it right now there would be a dozen people telling him to lower it more and do numerous other things.
One of the drivers of our endurance races drove Vipers when he wasn't in the Del Slo's. I never heard him once complain about the race cars 200+ whp FWD drivetrain when he's used to driving 500+hp RWD's. Grip racing is racing. It's a competition, door to door, doesn't matter FWD or RWD. It's still running flat out 9k RPM's for 13 hours straight.
People buying knock off parts is hurting vendors and in turn hurts us as well. This is a fact.
I do drive a 3k lb fwd car... I've driven a boosted teg with about 350 to the wheels, which is honestly more than a teg ever needs....but I have also driven 350's, m3's, an m5, and a c5 vette z06, etc, and I like rwd cars better, you may like fwd cars better, good for you, but I like rwd/awd cars better. If you have such a big problem with that then....lol
1) You have no idea what kind of person I am. If you have any intelligence at all you would know ppl's internet personas do not imitate ourselves IRL.
What have I ruined for anyone?
And what do I do that helps the scene? I rev my fucking engine @ everyone that pulls up to me at a redlight...try me
Exactly what I thought, another failure.
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oh excuse me i didn't mean to strike a nerve there cupcake. Oh and generally people DO act as themselves online because they have the common sense to realize that it is the only way a lot of people they have never met in person have to figure out what they are like. I would rather portray myself on here like I really am instead of coming off like a poser when somebody meets me IRL.
BTW, I would not be surprised in the least if you really do that. You don't have to lie to make friends.
Who knows?
"what other people think and say about me is none of my business"......words of advice i live by. Makes life a whole lot less stressful
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lol Nah I think everyone comes off differently online than IRL, whether intentionally or unintentionally. But that's another debate..It's not a matter of posing to be something else...atleast for me it isn't
And you didn't strike a nerve. Everything that happens on IA stays, it's not a big deal and I don't take it too seriously...
a failure at what? I was being a smartass and you know it....
So everyone should only buy name brand parts, and never venture into making their own?
Who even mentioned knock off parts?
I like fat chiks.So everyone should only buy name brand parts, and never venture into making their own?
Who even mentioned knock off parts?
knock off parts isnt the problem. The only problem i see the knock off parts doing is making trends easier to follow.
Lets say some $5000 wheel i popular. Well not everyone is going to be able to afford that wheel. But lets say Rota makes the same wheel for $500. Bam, instantly 700000 people have the same wheel.
Sure that can cause a problem when it comes to originality and how long that looks stays "fresh" but if anything it should push the guys at the top to strive to find new ways to do stuff differently.
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Why should the guys at the top do anything? They didn't make any money off those 700000 sets of Rota's. There is no defending knock-offs. Had they made the money off of all those wheels then yeah, they could probably drop their prices a little and have more designs because of a bigger budget. Thats why the nicest wheels are so expensive though, because not too many people buy them.
Who knows?
Had they spent $100+ on a design patent that protects the ornamental design of an object then nobody could legally duplicate it or import it. Automobile manufacturers have been putting patents on their wheels and wheel covers for decades.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_patent
knock offs are just aternatives for people who cant go and rip their nuts off just for one part. i dont see the harm in having something thats a copy. as long as the person doesnt project it to be something that its not.
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x2...this is a great statement. If anything, this is what keeps the scene going. maybe 20% of the people can afford name brand everything...the other 80% of us have to rely on a replica part because were doin this with spare money we have saved for months....I know i have wayyyy more imporant things to pay for in my life than wasting everything i have on spoon, work, mugen, etc. My KiddRacing header makes me very happy and i most certainly didn't brake the bank on that one.
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I'll admit I still like the "jdm look" but I'm not following anybody and I'm not a poser.
Alot of cars are gonna look similar b/c there's only a certain different # combo's of exterior candy (meaning, there might be a car out there similar to mine but not exact)
and the world we live in with all this internets, it makes it alot easier for ppl to bite other ppls style.
I build my cars the way I want it and I don't follow a crowd..
I take the most pride in doing the small things to my car that add character and uniqueness
It is when it's my car. Do you know how many people come up and compliment my Honda over a "tricked out" car? I don't get comments from people just in the modding world either. I get them from folks of all ages. Do you get in your car and drive to a store less than half a mile from your home and get a comment or two every time you go? I do. And my car is stock.stock car is no fun...
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I can safely say I am one of the few who can actually stay "original." I have a car that damn near everyone has said "awesome" about but yet no one wants it. I love it. Me having a car that everyone likes but doesn't want means I will be the lone wolf in the crowd. And, for the most part, no one wants the car because they don't care to lack the creature comforts that cars of today come with. And there's nothing wrong with that.
I can go out in my car, stock or modded, and still get reactions in large numbers.
GO OLD SCHOOL!!!
But i do agree with the "who cares what others think, do it anyway" crowd. I'm guilty of displaying my dislike for some cars posted or seen or town, but I always like to end my opinions/thoughts with a "but don't worry about what I or anyone else thinks, do what you want" comment. That's to let that person know that just because I don't like it doesn't mean he/she shouldn't do it. Later, QD.
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^ where's the later, qd???
What do you mean? Later, QD.
and don't mind the "edit" at the bottom of my post, lolol.
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All the vehicles ive owned, when I drive my ghia around I always get asked about it. Old people sharing there vw stories, young people asking wtf is it lol. Its got no trim, dents in it, awful shape and still draws a crowd.
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