GT-R posts new time on The Ring

[OnURleft]

i understand what your saying.....

BUt im saying, when they make cars..

Cars have features

And things that they come with to make them perform a certain way

Its not right for you to subtract things from a car because you say they give the car an advantage. Its retarded, its like saying put all seasons onthe ZCR and it wont run those great ring times.. or take the blower off the Zr1 and see what it runs.. its not fair. Stock v. stock you compare the cars. Those tires come on factory GTR's not aftermarket, you dont handicap factory cars when u test them. There are plenty cars that perform a certain way because of 1 key element.

A tire is a variable, not a feature. This is my opinion... It wears out, and different ones change the entire dynamics of the car. No one forces you to buy the factory tire when your are shopping for new tires, in 7,000 miles in the GTR's case. Japanese companies are smart, because they have gotten away with bragging rights solely because of the tire compounds they choose to put on some of their cars from the factory. Look at factory Evo 8 tires for example.
It's unfair to say the GTR is so much faster, when it's getting a handicap from its race tires. Put the same tire on every car and run them, and you'll understand exactly what I think is a FAIR comparison

I don't understand this new arguement about the gtr having an unfair advantage because of it's racing tires.

How can one say a car has the advantage because of tires that it comes with? That's like saying the viper acr has an advantage because it has more hp and 6 more cylinders...

The gtr might or might not have good tires, I don't know, but either way that is a stupid arguement. Go to a drag strip, race someone, and tell them that they won because they had better tires and it was unfair....

You really do just talk out of your ass. Don't ever brag about the GTR's lap times then on the Ring. It's tires alone are giving it about 10 seconds over standard Z rated tires available on the GT3, Z06, Turbo, M3, etc. etc. etc
I suggest you start getting some experience before you call a completely logical argument stupid. Go read a magazine, or an article online. I'm 100% positive you'll find several articles talking about the big advantage to the GTR is its factory tires.

[JITB]

A tire is a variable, not a feature. This is my opinion... It wears out, and different ones change the entire dynamics of the car. No one forces you to buy the factory tire when your are shopping for new tires, in 7,000 miles in the GTR's case. Japanese companies are smart, because they have gotten away with bragging rights solely because of the tire compounds they choose to put on some of their cars from the factory. Look at factory Evo 8 tires for example.
It's unfair to say the GTR is so much faster, when it's getting a handicap from its race tires. Put the same tire on every car and run them, and you'll understand exactly what I think is a FAIR comparison

brake pads wear out also... And so do engine mounts.

I say the tires are a feature, because they dont come on every GTR model.

[OnURleft]

brake pads wear out also... And so do engine mounts.

Yes all variables that can significantly decrease or increase a cars performance on paper, like a TIRE compund. I'm surprised the GTR doesn't come factor with HAWK HT-10s.

Edit: Even the lesser tire is a 140 tread wear. It's still a summer/race compound tire that preforms better when it's HOT

[JITB]

Yes all variables that can significantly decrease or increase a cars performance on paper, like a TIRE compund. I'm surprised the GTR doesn't come factor with HAWK HT-10s.

so they should install the same brake pads/motor mounts/tires, and any other variable on the vette, viper, and GTR and than it will be official?

When you put together a car, you give it the best things that will make it function the best. Especially a car like this. AND especially being that the GTR is the cheapest out the bunch...

[OnURleft]

so they should install the same brake pads/motor mounts/tires, and any other variable on the vette, viper, and GTR and than it will be official?

It's offical how it is. Brake pad technology is more or less the same. It's just not exactly fair because the tire compound on the GTR is a RACE TIRE. Hellloooo, Mcfly are you home? THE CAR IS HANDICAPPED

[JITB]

It's offical how it is. Brake pad technology is more or less the same. It's just not exactly fair because the tire compound on the GTR is a RACE TIRE. Hellloooo, Mcfly are you home? THE CAR IS HANDICAPPED

The ACR IS a Race car..

[OnURleft]

The ACR IS a Race car..

sans the ACR, GT2 and GT3RS

....

[RL...]

so they should install the same brake pads/motor mounts/tires, and any other variable on the vette, viper, and GTR and than it will be official?

When you put together a car, you give it the best things that will make it function the best. Especially a car like this. AND especially being that the GTR is the cheapest out the bunch...

You are trying to explain logic to someone with an illogical mindset. He wants to believe what he wants to believe. Some ppl are ignorantly stupid and can't help it. Let him be...

[JITB]

You are trying to explain logic to someone with an illogical mindset. He wants to believe what he wants to believe. Some ppl are ignorantly stupid and can't help it. Let him be...

lol your starting stuff, and calling names..

i just like to talk about car shit... even tho its pointless, and means nothing.. its still entertaining until it gets ugly. than im done.

[RL...]

A tire is a variable, not a feature. This is my opinion... It wears out, and different ones change the entire dynamics of the car. No one forces you to buy the factory tire when your are shopping for new tires, in 7,000 miles in the GTR's case. Japanese companies are smart, because they have gotten away with bragging rights solely because of the tire compounds they choose to put on some of their cars from the factory. Look at factory Evo 8 tires for example.
It's unfair to say the GTR is so much faster, when it's getting a handicap from its race tires. Put the same tire on every car and run them, and you'll understand exactly what I think is a FAIR comparison



You really are a moron. Don't ever brag about the GTR's lap times then on the Ring. It's tires alone are giving it about 10 seconds over standard Z rated tires available on the GT3, Z06, Turbo, M3, etc. etc. etc
I suggest you start getting some experience before you call a completely logical argument stupid. Go read a magazine, or an article online. I'm 100% positive you'll find several articles talking about the big advantage to the GTR is its factory tires.

I don't know why but you seem to always make your posts personal and load them with words that you think will hurt my feelings. lolol You might know more aobut tires than me, good for you. Because let me tell you, that means so much outside this forum...

You're the dumbass, because every single component that makes up a car deteriorates over time, wears out, and can change the dynamics of the car. Same could be said about engines, trannies, wheels, chassis, damn near everything!

SO before you start talking about the gtr having an unfair advantage over a viper/zr1 vette that costs a lot more, which make a lot more power, which are faster, and which have bigger engines maybe you need to check yourself and rethink your logic.

Your definition of a fair comparison is neither fair nor logical. Even if the evo and gtr had the same tires the gtr would outperform it. According to your logic the viper acr is getting a handicap over the gtr because of it's bigger engine and more hp right? That's nonsense.

[OnURleft]

I don't know why but you seem to always make your posts personal and load them with words that you think will hurt my feelings. lolol You might know more aobut tires than me, good for you. Because let me tell you, that means so much outside this forum...

You're the dumbass, because every single component that makes up a car deteriorates over time, wears out, and can change the dynamics of the car. Same could be said about engines, trannies, wheels, chassis, damn near everything!

SO before you start talking about the gtr having an unfair advantage over a viper/zr1 vette that costs a lot more, which make a lot more power, which are faster, and which have bigger engines maybe you need to check yourself and rethink your logic.

Your definition of a fair comparison is neither fair nor logical. Even if the evo and gtr had the same tires the gtr would outperform it. According to your logic the viper acr is getting a handicap over the gtr because of it's bigger engine and more hp right? That's nonsense.

Epic reading comprehension FAIL. In no way was there a direct comparison to an Evo and a GTR. Negative repped, your an idiot. Go back to my original post and my original STATEMENT. It was never an argument, it was fact, that I posted.

I didn't argue anything about anything regarding turbo's, price, displacement, nobody really on here has the time or lack of brain cells to do that other than you and your magazine philosophizing friends.

I simply stated the GTR, solely....the GTR has an UNFAIR advantage because it is on RACE compound tires which give it a LARGE handicap over SOME of the competition.

[RL...]

Epic reading comprehension FAIL. In no way was there a direct comparison to an Evo and a GTR. Negative repped, your an idiot. Go back to my original post and my original STATEMENT. It was never an argument, it was fact, that I posted.

I didn't argue anything about anything regarding turbo's, price, displacement, nobody really on here has the time or lack of brain cells to do that other than you and your magazine philosophizing friends.

I simply stated the GTR, solely....the GTR has an UNFAIR advantage because it is on RACE compound tires which give it a LARGE handicap over SOME of the competition.

I'm done here. When I'm met with stupidity of this level, I leave.

[OnURleft]

I'm done here. When I'm met with stupidity of this level, I leave.

Does anyone else find this ironic in here?

[Thighs]

I'm done here. When I'm met with stupidity of this level, I leave.

you cant leave yourself... wtf?

[matthewAPM]

I simply stated the GTR, solely....the GTR has an UNFAIR advantage because it is on RACE compound tires which give it a LARGE handicap over SOME of the competition.

Actually this is still considered a street tire. If you read the sidewall, a DOT-R would say "DOT R" on the side. These have a tread rating of 140...

Hoosier R6 (DOT R)- 40
Kumho V710 (DOT R)- 30

please do research before calling someone an idiot

[OnURleft]

Actually this is still considered a street tire. If you read the sidewall, a DOT-R would say "DOT R" on the side. These have a tread rating of 140...

Hoosier R6 (DOT R)- 40
Kumho V710 (DOT R)- 30

please do research before calling someone an idiot

The standard tire has a tread wear of 140. Please, don't be an idiot, before attempting to correct someone and mak yourself look more like an idiot.

Edit: Matt you know that ish has freaking competition tires that are far beyond a standard Z rated Pilot sport or Eagle F1. I'd be ashamed if you didn't acknowledge that

[matthewAPM]

The standard tire has a tread wear of 140. Please, don't be an idiot, before attempting to correct someone and making yourself look more like an idiot.

Then what is the "other" tires tread wear rating?

[OnURleft]

Then what is the "other" tires tread wear rating?

80. Refer to my last post.