GT-R posts new time on The Ring

[willum14pb]

These help the lap time...



Tires are a huge factor "aiding" cars like the GTR, Evo etc. They look amazing on paper, until you put a regular Y or Z rated tire on them like most of the competition excluding the GT2 and Vipers Cup-sports...which are probably inferior to these anyhow

lmfao. use regular y or z tires on a zr1 or any high horse power car for that matter and see if you can keep it on the road.

[OnURleft]

lmfao. use regular y or z tires on a zr1 or any high horse power car for that matter and see if you can keep it on the road.

Are ya'll fucking kidding, this was already quoted, explained once...


A ZR1 has a fucking standard Z rated tire, with a 220 tread wear, which gets gooey and sticky when its HOT which hampers performance.
A SKYLINE DOES NOT you DUMB motherfuckers. They highest tread wear on any tire offered is a 140 (equal to the Toyo R1R), the optional R Dunlops are even lower (80ish). In other words it is a pure race compound tire, which behaves like race tire, not a pilot sport and cuts LOTS of time

thats what the tires are made for high performance cars, take off the turbo, and awd.. and u got a lancer. y are we handicapping factory cars. This is how these cars are released.. thats how they are tested, there is no advantage, because one car has a better set of oem tires on it.

You clearly have no knowledge of tires compounds and how they behave...

One car has a tire that behaves better when it's HOT as hell, the others sans the ACR, GT2 and GT3RS (which still have a lesser tire then the GTR) have a tire which gets greasy and de-laminates when it's hot and being pushed. The GTR significantly puts better times down solely because it's on race compound tires, which some of the competition lacks

[JITB]

Are ya'll fucking kidding, this was already quoted, explained once...


A ZR1 has a fucking standard Z rated tire, with a 220 tread wear, which gets gooey and sticky when its HOT which hampers performance.
A SKYLINE DOES NOT you DUMB motherfuckers. They highest tread wear on any tire offered is a 140 (equal to the Toyo R1R), the optional R Dunlops are even lower (80ish). In other words it is a pure race compound tire, which behaves like race tire, not a pilot sport and cuts LOTS of time




You clearly have no knowledge of tires compounds and how they behave...

One car has a tire that behaves better when it's HOT as hell, the others sans the ACR, GT2 and GT3RS (which still have a lesser tire then the GTR) have a tire which gets greasy and de-laminates when it's hot and being pushed. The GTR significantly puts better times down solely because it's on race compound tires, which some of the competition lacks

i understand what your saying.....

BUt im saying, when they make cars..

Cars have features

And things that they come with to make them perform a certain way

Its not right for you to subtract things from a car because you say they give the car an advantage. Its retarded, its like saying put all seasons onthe ZCR and it wont run those great ring times.. or take the blower off the Zr1 and see what it runs.. its not fair. Stock v. stock you compare the cars. Those tires come on factory GTR's not aftermarket, you dont handicap factory cars when u test them. There are plenty cars that perform a certain way because of 1 key element.

[OnURleft]

i understand what your saying.....

BUt im saying, when they make cars..

Cars have features

And things that they come with to make them perform a certain way

Its not right for you to subtract things from a car because you say they give the car an advantage. Its retarded, its like saying put all seasons onthe ZCR and it wont run those great ring times.. or take the blower off the Zr1 and see what it runs.. its not fair. Stock v. stock you compare the cars. Those tires come on factory GTR's not aftermarket, you dont handicap factory cars when u test them. There are plenty cars that perform a certain way because of 1 key element.

A tire is a variable, not a feature. This is my opinion... It wears out, and different ones change the entire dynamics of the car. No one forces you to buy the factory tire when your are shopping for new tires, in 7,000 miles in the GTR's case. Japanese companies are smart, because they have gotten away with bragging rights solely because of the tire compounds they choose to put on some of their cars from the factory. Look at factory Evo 8 tires for example.
It's unfair to say the GTR is so much faster, when it's getting a handicap from its race tires. Put the same tire on every car and run them, and you'll understand exactly what I think is a FAIR comparison

I don't understand this new arguement about the gtr having an unfair advantage because of it's racing tires.

How can one say a car has the advantage because of tires that it comes with? That's like saying the viper acr has an advantage because it has more hp and 6 more cylinders...

The gtr might or might not have good tires, I don't know, but either way that is a stupid arguement. Go to a drag strip, race someone, and tell them that they won because they had better tires and it was unfair....

You really do just talk out of your ass. Don't ever brag about the GTR's lap times then on the Ring. It's tires alone are giving it about 10 seconds over standard Z rated tires available on the GT3, Z06, Turbo, M3, etc. etc. etc
I suggest you start getting some experience before you call a completely logical argument stupid. Go read a magazine, or an article online. I'm 100% positive you'll find several articles talking about the big advantage to the GTR is its factory tires.

[JITB]

A tire is a variable, not a feature. This is my opinion... It wears out, and different ones change the entire dynamics of the car. No one forces you to buy the factory tire when your are shopping for new tires, in 7,000 miles in the GTR's case. Japanese companies are smart, because they have gotten away with bragging rights solely because of the tire compounds they choose to put on some of their cars from the factory. Look at factory Evo 8 tires for example.
It's unfair to say the GTR is so much faster, when it's getting a handicap from its race tires. Put the same tire on every car and run them, and you'll understand exactly what I think is a FAIR comparison

brake pads wear out also... And so do engine mounts.

I say the tires are a feature, because they dont come on every GTR model.

[OnURleft]

brake pads wear out also... And so do engine mounts.

Yes all variables that can significantly decrease or increase a cars performance on paper, like a TIRE compund. I'm surprised the GTR doesn't come factor with HAWK HT-10s.

Edit: Even the lesser tire is a 140 tread wear. It's still a summer/race compound tire that preforms better when it's HOT

[JITB]

Yes all variables that can significantly decrease or increase a cars performance on paper, like a TIRE compund. I'm surprised the GTR doesn't come factor with HAWK HT-10s.

so they should install the same brake pads/motor mounts/tires, and any other variable on the vette, viper, and GTR and than it will be official?

When you put together a car, you give it the best things that will make it function the best. Especially a car like this. AND especially being that the GTR is the cheapest out the bunch...

[RL...]

A tire is a variable, not a feature. This is my opinion... It wears out, and different ones change the entire dynamics of the car. No one forces you to buy the factory tire when your are shopping for new tires, in 7,000 miles in the GTR's case. Japanese companies are smart, because they have gotten away with bragging rights solely because of the tire compounds they choose to put on some of their cars from the factory. Look at factory Evo 8 tires for example.
It's unfair to say the GTR is so much faster, when it's getting a handicap from its race tires. Put the same tire on every car and run them, and you'll understand exactly what I think is a FAIR comparison



You really are a moron. Don't ever brag about the GTR's lap times then on the Ring. It's tires alone are giving it about 10 seconds over standard Z rated tires available on the GT3, Z06, Turbo, M3, etc. etc. etc
I suggest you start getting some experience before you call a completely logical argument stupid. Go read a magazine, or an article online. I'm 100% positive you'll find several articles talking about the big advantage to the GTR is its factory tires.

I don't know why but you seem to always make your posts personal and load them with words that you think will hurt my feelings. lolol You might know more aobut tires than me, good for you. Because let me tell you, that means so much outside this forum...

You're the dumbass, because every single component that makes up a car deteriorates over time, wears out, and can change the dynamics of the car. Same could be said about engines, trannies, wheels, chassis, damn near everything!

SO before you start talking about the gtr having an unfair advantage over a viper/zr1 vette that costs a lot more, which make a lot more power, which are faster, and which have bigger engines maybe you need to check yourself and rethink your logic.

Your definition of a fair comparison is neither fair nor logical. Even if the evo and gtr had the same tires the gtr would outperform it. According to your logic the viper acr is getting a handicap over the gtr because of it's bigger engine and more hp right? That's nonsense.

[OnURleft]

I don't know why but you seem to always make your posts personal and load them with words that you think will hurt my feelings. lolol You might know more aobut tires than me, good for you. Because let me tell you, that means so much outside this forum...

You're the dumbass, because every single component that makes up a car deteriorates over time, wears out, and can change the dynamics of the car. Same could be said about engines, trannies, wheels, chassis, damn near everything!

SO before you start talking about the gtr having an unfair advantage over a viper/zr1 vette that costs a lot more, which make a lot more power, which are faster, and which have bigger engines maybe you need to check yourself and rethink your logic.

Your definition of a fair comparison is neither fair nor logical. Even if the evo and gtr had the same tires the gtr would outperform it. According to your logic the viper acr is getting a handicap over the gtr because of it's bigger engine and more hp right? That's nonsense.

Epic reading comprehension FAIL. In no way was there a direct comparison to an Evo and a GTR. Negative repped, your an idiot. Go back to my original post and my original STATEMENT. It was never an argument, it was fact, that I posted.

I didn't argue anything about anything regarding turbo's, price, displacement, nobody really on here has the time or lack of brain cells to do that other than you and your magazine philosophizing friends.

I simply stated the GTR, solely....the GTR has an UNFAIR advantage because it is on RACE compound tires which give it a LARGE handicap over SOME of the competition.

[RL...]

Epic reading comprehension FAIL. In no way was there a direct comparison to an Evo and a GTR. Negative repped, your an idiot. Go back to my original post and my original STATEMENT. It was never an argument, it was fact, that I posted.

I didn't argue anything about anything regarding turbo's, price, displacement, nobody really on here has the time or lack of brain cells to do that other than you and your magazine philosophizing friends.

I simply stated the GTR, solely....the GTR has an UNFAIR advantage because it is on RACE compound tires which give it a LARGE handicap over SOME of the competition.

I'm done here. When I'm met with stupidity of this level, I leave.

[matthewAPM]

I simply stated the GTR, solely....the GTR has an UNFAIR advantage because it is on RACE compound tires which give it a LARGE handicap over SOME of the competition.

Actually this is still considered a street tire. If you read the sidewall, a DOT-R would say "DOT R" on the side. These have a tread rating of 140...

Hoosier R6 (DOT R)- 40
Kumho V710 (DOT R)- 30

please do research before calling someone an idiot