GT-R posts new time on The Ring

[mp5o]

Yours would run 9's if you didn't have such a nasty hole in your fuel map. Plus that little bit of NOS timing.

LOL!

[RL...]

Yours would run 9's if you didn't have such a nasty hole in your fuel map. Plus that little bit of NOS timing.

I took the nos out, harry said I have a heavy foot, I'd blow myself to pieces.

[OnURleft]

Use regular Y or Z rated tire on Viper or the ZR 1 and see if you can actually drive it.

The ZR-1 has a Z rated tire. The Viper has a Pilot Cup Sport, which is not much better than an standard PS2. The GT-R has a specially designed Bridgestone RE070-R which is not only superior but gives it a huge advantage like I already mentioned..

The reading comprehension on this forum is just funny

[JITB]

The ZR-1 has a Z rated tire. The Viper has a Pilot Cup Sport, which is not much better than an standard PS2. The GT-R has a specially designed Bridgestone RE070-R which is not only superior but gives it a huge advantage like I already mentioned..

The reading comprehension on this forum is just funny

and that means? the vette/viper should come with better tires..

[OnURleft]

and that means? the vette/viper should come with better tires..

But they don't, which gives the GTR a better advantage on paper from the factory. The 3rd time i've said this. Should and do are two different words

[BATMOBL]

But they don't, which gives the GTR a better advantage on paper from the factory. The 3rd time i've said this. Should and do are two different words

Street cars should NOT come with RACE R-compound tires... LOL if Nissan had n e balls they'd run on the same STREET tires as everyone else.

[JITB]

But they don't, which gives the GTR a better advantage on paper from the factory. The 3rd time i've said this. Should and do are two different words

those tires only come on the top model, im not sure which one is track or whatever. but all models dont have the same tires.

[FlipKing]

In that logic, if Chevy had any balls they would put in a TT V6 or be AWD.... Batmobl thats just a moronic statement.

Oh, so your turbo car is faster? Well, if you had any balls you would take the turbo off and run me.

See my point?lol

[OnURleft]

Street cars should NOT come with RACE R-compound tires... LOL if Nissan had n e balls they'd run on the same STREET tires as everyone else.

Haha well, it's getting to the point where they have to in order to put the power down.
I see the GT-R as a great car, but again put some Conti-sports on it or PS2's and you'll see a huge difference on paper. Not only is your car slower now that its on par with the compeition, but your stuck in a heavy, soeing machine sounding supercar that's twitchy and not all that fun at the limit.
Same thing goes for the Evo's.. People were blown away by what they could do on paper, but take away those factory Yoko R compound summer tires and throw on some regular Y or Z rated tires and suddenly the performance is not anything out of the ordinary at all

[JITB]

Haha well, it's getting to the point where they have to in order to put the power down.
I see the GT-R as a great car, but again put some Conti-sports on it or PS2's and you'll see a huge difference on paper. Not only is your car slower now that its on par with the compeition, but your stuck in a heavy, soeing machine sounding supercar that's twitchy and not all that fun at the limit.
Same thing goes for the Evo's.. People were blown away by what they could do on paper, but take away those factory Yoko R compound summer tires and throw on some regular Y or Z rated tires and suddenly the performance is not anything out of the ordinary at all

thats what the tires are made for high performance cars, take off the turbo, and awd.. and u got a lancer. y are we handicapping factory cars. This is how these cars are released.. thats how they are tested, there is no advantage, because one car has a better set of oem tires on it.

[_Christian_]

thats what the tires are made for high performance cars, take off the turbo, and awd.. and u got a lancer. y are we handicapping factory cars. This is how these cars are released.. thats how they are tested, there is no advantage, because one car has a better set of oem tires on it.

If you were Nissan and you wanted to close the performance gap between the GT-R and cars like the ACR, ZR-1, 911 gt2, etc, what would be the easiest way?? Not saying the times aren't legit, but the advantage on paper can be just as easily lost in the real world when its opponents have equal traction.

[Elbow]

Better in what way?

In looks, no.

In the number of passenger it can sit comfortably, no.

In cargo room? no.

In ride quality? no.

I would say our cars are about the same in terms of reliability and gas mileage.

Your car might be faster, and handle better. So what? My engine is stock and my chassis design is horrible for handling. I bought my car to be a DD, not a race car like you chose the miata for. And my car is just that, a daily driver.

So if that's your point, that your modded miata is faster than my stock maxima, good for you buddy. Because I could care less about how fast/slow my car is. I'll have something for your miata soon enough...

For now, I'll concentrate on getting my degree thanks.


on a side note, vq35 engines can make over 1000whp, so our cars aren't as weak as one might think...while rare there are 10 sec maximas.

Well in looks I think yes, once again, peoples opinions.

Number of passengers you win, I don't want passengers anyway lol.

Cargo room? I don't carry many bags.

Ride quality, could care less obviously being on metal bushings and seam welded chassis.

Yeah obviously you want a DD, so what's the argument? I want a fast car you want a clean DD that's easy to drive. I am sure you will have something, what is it? A 350Z?

[MongolPup]

Interesting point about taking the turbo away and having a Lancer. The only reason I feel compelled to mention that is I remember how being turbocharged was "cheating" and the LSx was a better motor because it makes "real" power. That brings you back to the age old argument about Japanese cars making "efficient" power (let's use the example of Honda screaming into the 90's with over 100 hp a liter) and American cars using brute force (V-8 anyone?). Aren't the tires an extension of that mentality? Hey, instead of adding X horsepower, let's get the same effect by slapping on some super sticky tires?

Just thinking out loud. Didn't want to reply in this thread and be part of the problem not the cure as far as useless posts.

[Elbow]

Interesting point about taking the turbo away and having a Lancer. The only reason I feel compelled to mention that is I remember how being turbocharged was "cheating" and the LSx was a better motor because it makes "real" power. That brings you back to the age old argument about Japanese cars making "efficient" power (let's use the example of Honda screaming into the 90's with over 100 hp a liter) and American cars using brute force (V-8 anyone?). Aren't the tires an extension of that mentality? Hey, instead of adding X horsepower, let's get the same effect by slapping on some super sticky tires?

Just thinking out loud. Didn't want to reply in this thread and be part of the problem not the cure as far as useless posts.

That is really true when you think about it.

[Thighs]

the gtr still sucks.

[matthewAPM]

Well i think reading would be a good idea.

im a hater to the people who think its a fucking gift of God. Talk to anyone who has tracked one and they will tell you its the easiest car they have driven. And the funny thing is that people keep posting stupid stuff up like this not realizing that it is still slower than the vette and viper

No one think it's a gift of god. And I think EVERYONE realizes that the viper/vette zo6 are faster than the gtr. Of course they are also more expensive, which is the point....It might be easy to drive, but driving a stick is not 38473218427x harder than an auto, so don't make it out to be.

Maybe you should talk to a gtr owner and se what he has to say....

Actually the Z06 isn't faster....the ZR1 is.

Sorry GTR fanboy but this post meant nothing because Nissan didn't achieved anything with this lap time.

[willum14pb]

These help the lap time...



Tires are a huge factor "aiding" cars like the GTR, Evo etc. They look amazing on paper, until you put a regular Y or Z rated tire on them like most of the competition excluding the GT2 and Vipers Cup-sports...which are probably inferior to these anyhow

lmfao. use regular y or z tires on a zr1 or any high horse power car for that matter and see if you can keep it on the road.

[matthewAPM]

They should run Bridgestone RE11's

[OnURleft]

lmfao. use regular y or z tires on a zr1 or any high horse power car for that matter and see if you can keep it on the road.

Are ya'll fucking kidding, this was already quoted, explained once...


A ZR1 has a fucking standard Z rated tire, with a 220 tread wear, which gets gooey and sticky when its HOT which hampers performance.
A SKYLINE DOES NOT you DUMB motherfuckers. They highest tread wear on any tire offered is a 140 (equal to the Toyo R1R), the optional R Dunlops are even lower (80ish). In other words it is a pure race compound tire, which behaves like race tire, not a pilot sport and cuts LOTS of time

thats what the tires are made for high performance cars, take off the turbo, and awd.. and u got a lancer. y are we handicapping factory cars. This is how these cars are released.. thats how they are tested, there is no advantage, because one car has a better set of oem tires on it.

You clearly have no knowledge of tires compounds and how they behave...

One car has a tire that behaves better when it's HOT as hell, the others sans the ACR, GT2 and GT3RS (which still have a lesser tire then the GTR) have a tire which gets greasy and de-laminates when it's hot and being pushed. The GTR significantly puts better times down solely because it's on race compound tires, which some of the competition lacks

[Frög]

Man Nissan fan boys..

UGHH!!!!

[RL...]

Well in looks I think yes, once again, peoples opinions.

Number of passengers you win, I don't want passengers anyway lol.

Cargo room? I don't carry many bags.

Ride quality, could care less obviously being on metal bushings and seam welded chassis.

Yeah obviously you want a DD, so what's the argument? I want a fast car you want a clean DD that's easy to drive. I am sure you will have something, what is it? A 350Z?

nope....it's gonna have a v8, and it's not going to be a nissan

But that's a couple years down the road when I actually get a job making some decent money

[RL...]

I don't understand this new arguement about the gtr having an unfair advantage because of it's racing tires.

How can one say a car has the advantage because of tires that it comes with? That's like saying the viper acr has an advantage because it has more hp and 6 more cylinders...

The gtr might or might not have good tires, I don't know, but either way that is a stupid arguement. Go to a drag strip, race someone, and tell them that they won because they had better tires and it was unfair....

[JITB]

Are ya'll fucking kidding, this was already quoted, explained once...


A ZR1 has a fucking standard Z rated tire, with a 220 tread wear, which gets gooey and sticky when its HOT which hampers performance.
A SKYLINE DOES NOT you DUMB motherfuckers. They highest tread wear on any tire offered is a 140 (equal to the Toyo R1R), the optional R Dunlops are even lower (80ish). In other words it is a pure race compound tire, which behaves like race tire, not a pilot sport and cuts LOTS of time




You clearly have no knowledge of tires compounds and how they behave...

One car has a tire that behaves better when it's HOT as hell, the others sans the ACR, GT2 and GT3RS (which still have a lesser tire then the GTR) have a tire which gets greasy and de-laminates when it's hot and being pushed. The GTR significantly puts better times down solely because it's on race compound tires, which some of the competition lacks

i understand what your saying.....

BUt im saying, when they make cars..

Cars have features

And things that they come with to make them perform a certain way

Its not right for you to subtract things from a car because you say they give the car an advantage. Its retarded, its like saying put all seasons onthe ZCR and it wont run those great ring times.. or take the blower off the Zr1 and see what it runs.. its not fair. Stock v. stock you compare the cars. Those tires come on factory GTR's not aftermarket, you dont handicap factory cars when u test them. There are plenty cars that perform a certain way because of 1 key element.

[OnURleft]

i understand what your saying.....

BUt im saying, when they make cars..

Cars have features

And things that they come with to make them perform a certain way

Its not right for you to subtract things from a car because you say they give the car an advantage. Its retarded, its like saying put all seasons onthe ZCR and it wont run those great ring times.. or take the blower off the Zr1 and see what it runs.. its not fair. Stock v. stock you compare the cars. Those tires come on factory GTR's not aftermarket, you dont handicap factory cars when u test them. There are plenty cars that perform a certain way because of 1 key element.

A tire is a variable, not a feature. This is my opinion... It wears out, and different ones change the entire dynamics of the car. No one forces you to buy the factory tire when your are shopping for new tires, in 7,000 miles in the GTR's case. Japanese companies are smart, because they have gotten away with bragging rights solely because of the tire compounds they choose to put on some of their cars from the factory. Look at factory Evo 8 tires for example.
It's unfair to say the GTR is so much faster, when it's getting a handicap from its race tires. Put the same tire on every car and run them, and you'll understand exactly what I think is a FAIR comparison

I don't understand this new arguement about the gtr having an unfair advantage because of it's racing tires.

How can one say a car has the advantage because of tires that it comes with? That's like saying the viper acr has an advantage because it has more hp and 6 more cylinders...

The gtr might or might not have good tires, I don't know, but either way that is a stupid arguement. Go to a drag strip, race someone, and tell them that they won because they had better tires and it was unfair....

You really do just talk out of your ass. Don't ever brag about the GTR's lap times then on the Ring. It's tires alone are giving it about 10 seconds over standard Z rated tires available on the GT3, Z06, Turbo, M3, etc. etc. etc
I suggest you start getting some experience before you call a completely logical argument stupid. Go read a magazine, or an article online. I'm 100% positive you'll find several articles talking about the big advantage to the GTR is its factory tires.

[JITB]

A tire is a variable, not a feature. This is my opinion... It wears out, and different ones change the entire dynamics of the car. No one forces you to buy the factory tire when your are shopping for new tires, in 7,000 miles in the GTR's case. Japanese companies are smart, because they have gotten away with bragging rights solely because of the tire compounds they choose to put on some of their cars from the factory. Look at factory Evo 8 tires for example.
It's unfair to say the GTR is so much faster, when it's getting a handicap from its race tires. Put the same tire on every car and run them, and you'll understand exactly what I think is a FAIR comparison

brake pads wear out also... And so do engine mounts.

I say the tires are a feature, because they dont come on every GTR model.

[OnURleft]

brake pads wear out also... And so do engine mounts.

Yes all variables that can significantly decrease or increase a cars performance on paper, like a TIRE compund. I'm surprised the GTR doesn't come factor with HAWK HT-10s.

Edit: Even the lesser tire is a 140 tread wear. It's still a summer/race compound tire that preforms better when it's HOT

[JITB]

Yes all variables that can significantly decrease or increase a cars performance on paper, like a TIRE compund. I'm surprised the GTR doesn't come factor with HAWK HT-10s.

so they should install the same brake pads/motor mounts/tires, and any other variable on the vette, viper, and GTR and than it will be official?

When you put together a car, you give it the best things that will make it function the best. Especially a car like this. AND especially being that the GTR is the cheapest out the bunch...

[OnURleft]

so they should install the same brake pads/motor mounts/tires, and any other variable on the vette, viper, and GTR and than it will be official?

It's offical how it is. Brake pad technology is more or less the same. It's just not exactly fair because the tire compound on the GTR is a RACE TIRE. Hellloooo, Mcfly are you home? THE CAR IS HANDICAPPED

[RL...]

A tire is a variable, not a feature. This is my opinion... It wears out, and different ones change the entire dynamics of the car. No one forces you to buy the factory tire when your are shopping for new tires, in 7,000 miles in the GTR's case. Japanese companies are smart, because they have gotten away with bragging rights solely because of the tire compounds they choose to put on some of their cars from the factory. Look at factory Evo 8 tires for example.
It's unfair to say the GTR is so much faster, when it's getting a handicap from its race tires. Put the same tire on every car and run them, and you'll understand exactly what I think is a FAIR comparison



You really are a moron. Don't ever brag about the GTR's lap times then on the Ring. It's tires alone are giving it about 10 seconds over standard Z rated tires available on the GT3, Z06, Turbo, M3, etc. etc. etc
I suggest you start getting some experience before you call a completely logical argument stupid. Go read a magazine, or an article online. I'm 100% positive you'll find several articles talking about the big advantage to the GTR is its factory tires.

I don't know why but you seem to always make your posts personal and load them with words that you think will hurt my feelings. lolol You might know more aobut tires than me, good for you. Because let me tell you, that means so much outside this forum...

You're the dumbass, because every single component that makes up a car deteriorates over time, wears out, and can change the dynamics of the car. Same could be said about engines, trannies, wheels, chassis, damn near everything!

SO before you start talking about the gtr having an unfair advantage over a viper/zr1 vette that costs a lot more, which make a lot more power, which are faster, and which have bigger engines maybe you need to check yourself and rethink your logic.

Your definition of a fair comparison is neither fair nor logical. Even if the evo and gtr had the same tires the gtr would outperform it. According to your logic the viper acr is getting a handicap over the gtr because of it's bigger engine and more hp right? That's nonsense.

[JITB]

It's offical how it is. Brake pad technology is more or less the same. It's just not exactly fair because the tire compound on the GTR is a RACE TIRE. Hellloooo, Mcfly are you home? THE CAR IS HANDICAPPED

The ACR IS a Race car..

[RL...]

so they should install the same brake pads/motor mounts/tires, and any other variable on the vette, viper, and GTR and than it will be official?

When you put together a car, you give it the best things that will make it function the best. Especially a car like this. AND especially being that the GTR is the cheapest out the bunch...

You are trying to explain logic to someone with an illogical mindset. He wants to believe what he wants to believe. Some ppl are ignorantly stupid and can't help it. Let him be...

[matthewAPM]

I think everyone is an idiot.

[OnURleft]

I don't know why but you seem to always make your posts personal and load them with words that you think will hurt my feelings. lolol You might know more aobut tires than me, good for you. Because let me tell you, that means so much outside this forum...

You're the dumbass, because every single component that makes up a car deteriorates over time, wears out, and can change the dynamics of the car. Same could be said about engines, trannies, wheels, chassis, damn near everything!

SO before you start talking about the gtr having an unfair advantage over a viper/zr1 vette that costs a lot more, which make a lot more power, which are faster, and which have bigger engines maybe you need to check yourself and rethink your logic.

Your definition of a fair comparison is neither fair nor logical. Even if the evo and gtr had the same tires the gtr would outperform it. According to your logic the viper acr is getting a handicap over the gtr because of it's bigger engine and more hp right? That's nonsense.

Epic reading comprehension FAIL. In no way was there a direct comparison to an Evo and a GTR. Negative repped, your an idiot. Go back to my original post and my original STATEMENT. It was never an argument, it was fact, that I posted.

I didn't argue anything about anything regarding turbo's, price, displacement, nobody really on here has the time or lack of brain cells to do that other than you and your magazine philosophizing friends.

I simply stated the GTR, solely....the GTR has an UNFAIR advantage because it is on RACE compound tires which give it a LARGE handicap over SOME of the competition.

[JITB]

You are trying to explain logic to someone with an illogical mindset. He wants to believe what he wants to believe. Some ppl are ignorantly stupid and can't help it. Let him be...

lol your starting stuff, and calling names..

i just like to talk about car shit... even tho its pointless, and means nothing.. its still entertaining until it gets ugly. than im done.

[OnURleft]

The ACR IS a Race car..

sans the ACR, GT2 and GT3RS

....

[RL...]

Epic reading comprehension FAIL. In no way was there a direct comparison to an Evo and a GTR. Negative repped, your an idiot. Go back to my original post and my original STATEMENT. It was never an argument, it was fact, that I posted.

I didn't argue anything about anything regarding turbo's, price, displacement, nobody really on here has the time or lack of brain cells to do that other than you and your magazine philosophizing friends.

I simply stated the GTR, solely....the GTR has an UNFAIR advantage because it is on RACE compound tires which give it a LARGE handicap over SOME of the competition.

I'm done here. When I'm met with stupidity of this level, I leave.

[OnURleft]

I'm done here. When I'm met with stupidity of this level, I leave.

Does anyone else find this ironic in here?

[JITB]

....

race cars should come with race tires.

[Thighs]

I'm done here. When I'm met with stupidity of this level, I leave.

you cant leave yourself... wtf?

[matthewAPM]

I simply stated the GTR, solely....the GTR has an UNFAIR advantage because it is on RACE compound tires which give it a LARGE handicap over SOME of the competition.

Actually this is still considered a street tire. If you read the sidewall, a DOT-R would say "DOT R" on the side. These have a tread rating of 140...

Hoosier R6 (DOT R)- 40
Kumho V710 (DOT R)- 30

please do research before calling someone an idiot