These help the lap time...
Tires are a huge factor "aiding" cars like the GTR, Evo etc. They look amazing on paper, until you put a regular Y or Z rated tire on them like most of the competition excluding the GT2 and Vipers Cup-sports...which are probably inferior to these anyhow
Originally Posted by OnURleft
These help the lap time...
Tires are a huge factor "aiding" cars like the GTR, Evo etc. They look amazing on paper, until you put a regular Y or Z rated tire on them like most of the competition excluding the GT2 and Vipers Cup-sports...which are probably inferior to these anyhow
Use regular Y or Z rated tire on Viper or the ZR 1 and see if you can actually drive it.
The ZR-1 has a Z rated tire. The Viper has a Pilot Cup Sport, which is not much better than an standard PS2. The GT-R has a specially designed Bridgestone RE070-R which is not only superior but gives it a huge advantage like I already mentioned..
The reading comprehension on this forum is just funny
and that means? the vette/viper should come with better tires..
But they don't, which gives the GTR a better advantage on paper from the factory. The 3rd time i've said this. Should and do are two different words
Street cars should NOT come with RACE R-compound tires... LOL if Nissan had n e balls they'd run on the same STREET tires as everyone else.
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Haha well, it's getting to the point where they have to in order to put the power down.
I see the GT-R as a great car, but again put some Conti-sports on it or PS2's and you'll see a huge difference on paper. Not only is your car slower now that its on par with the compeition, but your stuck in a heavy, soeing machine sounding supercar that's twitchy and not all that fun at the limit.
Same thing goes for the Evo's.. People were blown away by what they could do on paper, but take away those factory Yoko R compound summer tires and throw on some regular Y or Z rated tires and suddenly the performance is not anything out of the ordinary at all
those tires only come on the top model, im not sure which one is track or whatever. but all models dont have the same tires.
lmfao. use regular y or z tires on a zr1 or any high horse power car for that matter and see if you can keep it on the road.These help the lap time...
Tires are a huge factor "aiding" cars like the GTR, Evo etc. They look amazing on paper, until you put a regular Y or Z rated tire on them like most of the competition excluding the GT2 and Vipers Cup-sports...which are probably inferior to these anyhow
Are ya'll fucking kidding, this was already quoted, explained once...
A ZR1 has a fucking standard Z rated tire, with a 220 tread wear, which gets gooey and sticky when its HOT which hampers performance.
A SKYLINE DOES NOT you DUMB motherfuckers. They highest tread wear on any tire offered is a 140 (equal to the Toyo R1R), the optional R Dunlops are even lower (80ish). In other words it is a pure race compound tire, which behaves like race tire, not a pilot sport and cuts LOTS of time
You clearly have no knowledge of tires compounds and how they behave...
One car has a tire that behaves better when it's HOT as hell, the others sans the ACR, GT2 and GT3RS (which still have a lesser tire then the GTR) have a tire which gets greasy and de-laminates when it's hot and being pushed. The GTR significantly puts better times down solely because it's on race compound tires, which some of the competition lacks
i understand what your saying.....
BUt im saying, when they make cars..
Cars have features
And things that they come with to make them perform a certain way
Its not right for you to subtract things from a car because you say they give the car an advantage. Its retarded, its like saying put all seasons onthe ZCR and it wont run those great ring times.. or take the blower off the Zr1 and see what it runs.. its not fair. Stock v. stock you compare the cars. Those tires come on factory GTR's not aftermarket, you dont handicap factory cars when u test them. There are plenty cars that perform a certain way because of 1 key element.
A tire is a variable, not a feature. This is my opinion... It wears out, and different ones change the entire dynamics of the car. No one forces you to buy the factory tire when your are shopping for new tires, in 7,000 miles in the GTR's case. Japanese companies are smart, because they have gotten away with bragging rights solely because of the tire compounds they choose to put on some of their cars from the factory. Look at factory Evo 8 tires for example.
It's unfair to say the GTR is so much faster, when it's getting a handicap from its race tires. Put the same tire on every car and run them, and you'll understand exactly what I think is a FAIR comparison
You really do just talk out of your ass. Don't ever brag about the GTR's lap times then on the Ring. It's tires alone are giving it about 10 seconds over standard Z rated tires available on the GT3, Z06, Turbo, M3, etc. etc. etcI don't understand this new arguement about the gtr having an unfair advantage because of it's racing tires.
How can one say a car has the advantage because of tires that it comes with? That's like saying the viper acr has an advantage because it has more hp and 6 more cylinders...
The gtr might or might not have good tires, I don't know, but either way that is a stupid arguement. Go to a drag strip, race someone, and tell them that they won because they had better tires and it was unfair....
I suggest you start getting some experience before you call a completely logical argument stupid. Go read a magazine, or an article online. I'm 100% positive you'll find several articles talking about the big advantage to the GTR is its factory tires.
Last edited by OnURleft; 04-20-2009 at 02:55 PM.
brake pads wear out also... And so do engine mounts.
I say the tires are a feature, because they dont come on every GTR model.
Yes all variables that can significantly decrease or increase a cars performance on paper, like a TIRE compund. I'm surprised the GTR doesn't come factor with HAWK HT-10s.
Edit: Even the lesser tire is a 140 tread wear. It's still a summer/race compound tire that preforms better when it's HOT
I don't know why but you seem to always make your posts personal and load them with words that you think will hurt my feelings. lolol You might know more aobut tires than me, good for you. Because let me tell you, that means so much outside this forum...
You're the dumbass, because every single component that makes up a car deteriorates over time, wears out, and can change the dynamics of the car. Same could be said about engines, trannies, wheels, chassis, damn near everything!
SO before you start talking about the gtr having an unfair advantage over a viper/zr1 vette that costs a lot more, which make a lot more power, which are faster, and which have bigger engines maybe you need to check yourself and rethink your logic.
Your definition of a fair comparison is neither fair nor logical. Even if the evo and gtr had the same tires the gtr would outperform it. According to your logic the viper acr is getting a handicap over the gtr because of it's bigger engine and more hp right? That's nonsense.
Epic reading comprehension FAIL. In no way was there a direct comparison to an Evo and a GTR. Negative repped, your an idiot. Go back to my original post and my original STATEMENT. It was never an argument, it was fact, that I posted.
I didn't argue anything about anything regarding turbo's, price, displacement, nobody really on here has the time or lack of brain cells to do that other than you and your magazine philosophizing friends.
I simply stated the GTR, solely....the GTR has an UNFAIR advantage because it is on RACE compound tires which give it a LARGE handicap over SOME of the competition.
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