EJ NA LS Build

[jdm93civic]

Figured I would get on here and post up my DD NA build with some pics. Should be picking it up this week after it has been tuned and dynoed by Dennis L'Orange in Niceville, FL. Pics show car on Phat Fives but currently have Orange Rota Slips.


Motor:

B18B
Stock LS Rods
P30 Pistons
Exospeed Stage 2 Cams
Blox Intake Manifold
H22 Throttle Body
Hytech Header
Full Custom 2.75 Exhaust
B16 YS1 Tranny
Wire Tucked
Tuned on Chrome

Exterior:

Mugen Rep Lip
Ctr Rep Rear Lip
JDM Smoked Tail Lights
Megan Racing H-Brace
Skunk2 Springs


Thanks and let me know what ya think,

Green

[hmong_Spec]

how much hp and tq you think you'll get out of it. also, how much you think you'll hit in track time. but overall, looks like it'll be pretty good. good job.

[jdm93civic]

how much hp and tq you think you'll get out of it. also, how much you think you'll hit in track time. but overall, looks like it'll be pretty good. good job.

Thanks, I dunno I am est. about 175-180whp and about 130-140wtrg. With a drag radial maybe 13's and slick maybe deep 13's high 12's. Not sure depends on the day lol. Gotta get the car to hook. Before the build I took the car to the track and LC was set on 4k. With a Drag Radial it bogged off the line and ran 15.0 at 98 with a 60ft of 2.4. It sucked. So LC will be set higher and should scoot pretty good I would think but ya never know.

[hmong_Spec]

so it was jus a stock Ls and you launched at 4k and hitted 15 flat? wow, thats amazing. well, i got a Ls, i launch around 3.5k?

Thanks, I dunno I am est. about 175-180whp and about 130-140wtrg. With a drag radial maybe 13's and slick maybe deep 13's high 12's. Not sure depends on the day lol. Gotta get the car to hook. Before the build I took the car to the track and LC was set on 4k. With a Drag Radial it bogged off the line and ran 15.0 at 98 with a 60ft of 2.4. It sucked. So LC will be set higher and should scoot pretty good I would think but ya never know.

[jdm93civic]

Thanks, Yea it bogged really hard off the line. Launched it and it just feel on its face. I was racing a friend who has a 96 civic w/ gsr swap. With a radial I walked him. the second time I put on my street tires and beat him by about 2.5 car lengths. We had raced on the interstate before and I would pull a full fender and we would just sit there till I hit RL in 5th. Also considering I had 2 jacks, jack stands, and Drag Radials in my trunk

so it was jus a stock Ls and you launched at 4k and hitted 15 flat? wow, thats amazing. well, i got a Ls, i launch around 3.5k?

[allmotorX]

sounds like a good build, i wouldn't mind getting a run in with ya i have a b16 way less power than a gsr if want let me know

[J-ROCK]

nice build man

[ash7]

Thanks, I dunno I am est. about 175-180whp and about 130-140wtrg. With a drag radial maybe 13's and slick maybe deep 13's high 12's. Not sure depends on the day lol. Gotta get the car to hook. Before the build I took the car to the track and LC was set on 4k. With a Drag Radial it bogged off the line and ran 15.0 at 98 with a 60ft of 2.4. It sucked. So LC will be set higher and should scoot pretty good I would think but ya never know.

probably a high estimate - especially with exospeed cams.

If it has been tuned with Chrome, then it has been a on a dyno? So you should know the numbers?

overall a nice build - I'm a personal fan of the NA ls myself.

Also considering I had 2 jacks, jack stands, and Drag Radials in my trunk

so like what, another 50 lbs? lol


-jonathan

[jdm93civic]

Not that high of a estimate considering the car made 143 on the dyno before the build. It has not yet been tuned on the new set-up yet. Naw man it was prob bout 100 or more lbs. These were heavy duty old ass jacks and jack stands. But I could be wrong. His car was completely clean with just him and no interior.

probably a high estimate - especially with exospeed cams.

If it has been tuned with Chrome, then it has been a on a dyno? So you should know the numbers?

overall a nice build - I'm a personal fan of the NA ls myself.



so like what, another 50 lbs? lol


-jonathan

[ash7]

Not that high of a estimate considering the car made 143 on the dyno before the build.

If that engine made 143 to the wheels prior to the "build" - it was not stock to begin with. Regardless of which type of transmission being used.

Sounds like a nice car though
-jonathan

[GaGen2Teg]

If that engine made 143 to the wheels prior to the "build" - it was not stock to begin with.

-jonathan

x2

you probably wouldve baselined at 120 summin

[jdm93civic]

Never said it was stock. Sry. It had all the bolt ons and was tuned before I put in the cams, H22 throttle body and also P30 pistons. My bad should have stated that. Input appreciated thanks guys.

[ash7]

Never said it was stock. Sry. It had all the bolt ons and was tuned before I put in the cams, H22 throttle body and also P30 pistons. My bad should have stated that. Input appreciated thanks guys.

lol now it all makes sense.

How/why did you retrofit the H22 throttle body on there? Genuine curiosity - i've never heard of that before.

-jonathan

[jdm93civic]

To honest I am not a 100% sure it is a H22 TB. It came off a JR Supercharger. I believe the H22 throttle body is 62mm as the b16 is 60mm. I placed the 2 against each other and the one off the JRSC was bigger. So I used it. Theory was it is bigger than stock so instead of spending like $200 for a new one just use it. But it just bolts right up with no modification unless you are a obd0 or so forth

[KevinT707]

With a Drag Radial it bogged off the line and ran 15.0 at 98 with a 60ft of 2.4.

I've personally never seen a stock LS motor in any chassis trapping at 98 MPH.

[hmong_Spec]

it would b a lot of better if you have some videos.

[jdm93civic]

I wish I did have vid. The car was not completely stock. That day I had full interior outa the car and had all the bolt-ons mentioned. However, it was run at MMP which their electronics suck balls anyways.

[ash7]

I placed the 2 against each other and the one off the JRSC was bigger. So I used it.

H series TBs have a different bolt pattern.

-jonathan

[jdm93civic]

You sure man. cause they bolt right on d-series just like a b-series bolt on a d-series.

[ash7]

You sure man. cause they bolt right on d-series just like a b-series bolt on a d-series.

yes, i am positive. B and D series are symmetrical in their bolt pattern; the H series has one of them offset a tad.

they don't "bolt right on" to anything B series.
-jonathan

[Starrfire]

yes, i am positive. B and D series are symmetrical in their bolt pattern; the H series has one of them offset a tad.

they don't "bolt right on" to anything B series.
-jonathan

I wouldn't be so sure of that. I have had a 68 mm professional products throttle body for a while. I had it on my built d, built ls vtec, and now have it on my h2b. They all have the same bolt pattern.

[jdm93civic]

That is what I was thinking.

[jdm93civic]

Whoever said I guessed high was correct I made 156whp and 129trq. Grah will be up when I get car. I am happy considering just dropping in pistons and cam. Guess time to put on PNP built b16 head

[allmotorX]

Whoever said I guessed high was correct I made 156whp and 129trq. Grah will be up when I get car. I am happy considering just dropping in pistons and cam. Guess time to put on PNP built b16 head

your making more tq than i am hp

[Starrfire]

not bad torque though. hp is what I'd expect.

[EJ_Allmota]

Whoever said I guessed high was correct I made 156whp and 129trq. Grah will be up when I get car. I am happy considering just dropping in pistons and cam. Guess time to put on PNP built b16 head

thats exactly around what i was guessing.. Ive had a built LS for some years..
-No PNP
-Crower 403 cams
-PR-3 Pistons
-GSR Tranny
My setup made 154whp and 128tq tuned with Chrome also.. Launch control on my setup was set @ 3500, the best time i ran in it (full interior) was 15.0 @ 91 mph and a sorry 2.3 60ft on street tires.. it was only my third pass ever at the track.. Hadnt made it back since..

[jdm93civic]

Yea I should be able to get in the low 14's. I ran 15.0 bogging off the line before i added the pistons and cams. I am happy with it. I understand people like the Crower cams but after having the stage 2 exospeed cam installed they sound great, alittle choppy, but made good hp. The tune was conservative he said. My car is running 14.1 ride around and 12.7 open throttle. My b16 i had in my rex made 148 with header and intake with 13.1 ride around and 14.7 wide open. LOLOL

[Jdm94Coupe]

and why are you guys doing all motor ls again? why spend sooooo much $ when all you gotta do is slap a vtec head on and add a couple hundred dollar kit.... doesn't make any sense....

[jdm93civic]

My reason is cause it is different. I like it. Why take the easy way? What do you mean alot of money? I only have 900 in my build. Thats tuning, claying motor, and labor and all. Noone expects a NA LS. Everyone expects LS-Vtec. Thats my opinion. My goal is to make 190-200whp withing the next 6 months on a LS.

Still have to buy - Eagle Rods, Stage 3 Exospeed Head Package, Stage 3 or 4 cam, GSR/Type-R Oil Pump, ARP Head Studs

Might go ahead and buy - 84mm Darton Sleeves, 84mm 11:25:1 SRP b16 Pistons

[Jdm94Coupe]

My reason is cause it is different. I like it. Why take the easy way? What do you mean alot of money? I only have 900 in my build. Thats tuning, claying motor, and labor and all. Noone expects a NA LS. Everyone expects LS-Vtec. Thats my opinion. My goal is to make 190-200whp withing the next 6 months on a LS.

Still have to buy - Eagle Rods, Stage 3 Exospeed Head Package, Stage 3 or 4 cam, GSR/Type-R Oil Pump, ARP Head Studs

Might go ahead and buy - 84mm Darton Sleeves, 84mm 11:25:1 SRP b16 Pistons

It's not the "Easy" way, its the logical way. And Sleeving your block classifies as a lot of $, lol.... i see what you mean by different. but i see people on here everyday posting up their all motor ls parts because they spend a lot of $ and don't make anywhere near their goals.... i just know 200whp on a ls/vtec is ALOT easier and cheaper.... for your $ you would be able to have 200+ and cash left in your pocket.... post up more as you go along though, im not bashing you by ANY means, just discussing....

[jdm93civic]

naw man i understand what your saying. the money side is i get my parts for extremly cheap because of connections with certain shops. As for other people yea it may be more. I understand what your saying.

[southside]

Alot of people bitch and moan about ls not having vtec and its easy to make power with vtec.But if it was easy it wouldnt be fun....When I get my old setup running for my friend.Then Hopefully it will be up there around 160Whp in a Ef hatch should.Run pretty damn good but who knows.My friend did the setup in his Da with same stuff Ej Allmota did and his lowest time on slicks was 13.9.He made 185whp with Aem Standalone and headwork.

[punkr6]

My reason is cause it is different. I like it. Why take the easy way? What do you mean alot of money? I only have 900 in my build. Thats tuning, claying motor, and labor and all. Noone expects a NA LS. Everyone expects LS-Vtec. Thats my opinion. My goal is to make 190-200whp withing the next 6 months on a LS.

Still have to buy - Eagle Rods, Stage 3 Exospeed Head Package, Stage 3 or 4 cam, GSR/Type-R Oil Pump, ARP Head Studs

Might go ahead and buy - 84mm Darton Sleeves, 84mm 11:25:1 SRP b16 Pistons

there is nothing different about building an LS, its what most of the beginners/noobs do before they learn more about the sport and what makes power. If you just wanna throw money away then try something really different like a J swap .

[Jdm94Coupe]

Alot of people bitch and moan about ls not having vtec and its easy to make power with vtec.But if it was easy it wouldnt be fun....When I get my old setup running for my friend.Then Hopefully it will be up there around 160Whp in a Ef hatch should.Run pretty damn good but who knows.My friend did the setup in his Da with same stuff Ej Allmota did and his lowest time on slicks was 13.9.He made 185whp with Aem Standalone and headwork.

soooooo? let's sum this up......

A LOT of $=only 13.9, ON SLICKS!!

all motor ls is NOT different btw, it's just known to be a waste of $ like a sohc non vtec all motor build. but if he's got SERIOUS connections and the $ don't hurt him then I guess go for it. odds say he regrets it later.......

[southside]

soooooo? let's sum this up......

A LOT of $=only 13.9, ON SLICKS!!

all motor ls is NOT different btw, it's just known to be a waste of $ like a sohc non vtec all motor build. but if he's got SERIOUS connections and the $ don't hurt him then I guess go for it. odds say he regrets it later.......

Considering it was a ls with Ctrs,Eagle rods,SKunk2 1gen. Mani,greddy headers,403s,and headwork.In a Da I think that is a pretty good alot of people have their own opinions,Just like shoes and cars.Mustang guys bitch about Hondas and imports all the time.But just because they call you a ricer or something like that mean you are suppose to give in and go to the closest Ford dealer and buy a mustang?And I have seen Sohc walk Gsr so its all about who has the money,right setup,and Driving.Thats why I dont knock anybody because I have seen alot of stuff that has changed my mind.I used to say the same thing about Sohc until I found out a guy ran neck and neck with my friend h22 lude.With a nonvtec single cam in a Ef No nitrous.I know you will call bs but if you live long enough and not stay in the same spot.Around the same people you will see alot of things you think arent possible.

[jdm93civic]

Naw I never regret what I do. Yea but look at the power he made?? 185. I am lokking to make more than that. I am saying that in todays tuner world most cars do LS-Vtec because yes they dont wanna spend money because they wanna do the bang for the buck method of slapping on b16 head and instantly make power. Me on the other hand wanna build a 200whp LS DD. Does it cost alot of money? To some yes and to others no. When all said and done I will have prob only about 2000 or maybe at the most 2500 in parts and labor. Alota guys that build NA LS-Vtec spend that much also. So to me it is which do you prefer....NA LS ot NA LS-Vtec. Thats my opinion and I am not bashing anyone elses. I respect all of your opinions as I hope you would mine. I have built a 192whp b16 CRX, I have built a NA b16 75 shot nitrous CRX, and have built a 170whp civic si. YEA YEA I do love the b16. LOL. So cool opinions I understand where all of you are coming from.

[jdm93civic]

Considering it was a ls with Ctrs,Eagle rods,SKunk2 1gen. Mani,greddy headers,403s,and headwork.In a Da I think that is a pretty good alot of people have their own opinions,Just like shoes and cars.Mustang guys bitch about Hondas and imports all the time.But just because they call you a ricer or something like that mean you are suppose to give in and go to the closest Ford dealer and buy a mustang?And I have seen Sohc walk Gsr so its all about who has the money,right setup,and Driving.Thats why I dont knock anybody because I have seen alot of stuff that has changed my mind.I used to say the same thing about Sohc until I found out a guy ran neck and neck with my friend h22 lude.With a nonvtec single cam in a Ef No nitrous.I know you will call bs but if you live long enough and not stay in the same spot.Around the same people you will see alot of things you think arent possible.

Agree

[southside]

on Nonvtec.com there is a guy that made 200whp.Also Kms has a 190whp ek but my plan was if im going to do Ls/vtec it isnt going to be stock head has got to be built.

[jdm93civic]

on Nonvtec.com there is a guy that made 200whp.Also Kms has a 190whp ek but my plan was if im going to do Ls/vtec it isnt going to be stock head has got to be built.

Agreed again

Plan as follows for the next couple months:
Eagle Rods
Golden Eagle Block Guard
Exospeed Stage 3 Head Pkg
Exospeed Stage 3 or 4 cam
GSR/Type-R Oil Pump
Arp Head Studs

( May go ahead and do a 84mm Darton Sleeved Block with SRP 11:25:1 b16 pistons. Haven't decided yet)

[southside]

Yea I wanted to do a nonvtec b20 next but trying to get a Rsx this month so Idk ill have to see.