*-*H23/VTEC*-*H-Series Build Questions

[h23bb2]

why not build an all motor H23?

[.::UNKNOWN::.]

why not build an all motor H23?

lack of perfomance parts basically.....you have one brand of cams made for the h23 i think it is crowler.... one intake manifold which is garbage it is the obx mani..... you could use h22 pistons(performance) but you have to do the calculations right i think the mahle 11:1 pistons in a h23 make almost 12.8:1 compression if i am not mistaken so if this is goin to be daily driven you can't do that unless your willing to pay the 10+ dollar a gallon for race fuel

[h23bb2]

lack of perfomance parts basically.....you have one brand of cams made for the h23 i think it is crowler.... one intake manifold which is garbage it is the obx mani..... you could use h22 pistons(performance) but you have to do the calculations right i think the mahle 11:1 pistons in a h23 make almost 12.8:1 compression if i am not mistaken so if this is goin to be daily driven you can't do that unless your willing to pay the 10+ dollar a gallon for race fuel

try two or three companies making cams and valvtrain: crower, delta (not 100% sure about them), and bisimoto. spoke to davis the other day and we discussed compression ratios.
stock H22A4 piston w/ H23 head= 11.8:1 pushing the limits of piston/valve clearance and pump gas if you use aftermarket cams
Mahle H22 9.0:1 compression pistons w/ H23 head= 10.8:1 which is milder than the 11.8 but alot better than the stock 9.8:1



general build information

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1046336

results

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1052811

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1495684

Excellent company that's well known in their SOHC exploits with D series and F series, but build superb products for all honda applications

http://bisimoto.net/store/index.php?main_page=index

cams etc..

http://bisimoto.net/store/index.php?...Path=3_9_17_38

[.::UNKNOWN::.]

try two or three companies making cams and valvtrain: crower, delta (not 100% sure about them), and bisimoto. spoke to davis the other day and we discussed compression ratios.
stock H22A4 piston w/ H23 head= 11.8:1 pushing the limits of piston/valve clearance and pump gas if you use aftermarket cams
Mahle H22 9.0:1 compression pistons w/ H23 head= 10.8:1 which is milder than the 11.8 but alot better than the stock 9.8:1



general build information

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1046336

results

http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1052811

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1495684

Excellent company that's well known in their SOHC exploits with D series and F series, but build superb products for all honda applications

http://bisimoto.net/store/index.php?main_page=index

cams etc..

http://bisimoto.net/store/index.php?...Path=3_9_17_38

where do you think i said the h22 11:1 pistons would skyrocket the compression to dangerous levels i have heard of bisimoto and so on and so on.... when i said lack of performance parts i mean there is nothing except the valve train that is specified for the h23 and if you look 90% of parts for hseries are for h22.... an all motor h23 is goin to take a whole lot more research than a all motor h22 considering the research has been done for a h22....trust me i may not have it on hand like d with all his research on his computer but i can get to it just like him i have done my research and on my desicion i am better off with my h22....

[clean CD5]

ok bro i was attempting this plann of action and here's what i came across!

H23- great motor for torque but like any honda VTEC engine it makes it's horsepower on the top end of the powerband, yes i know the 2.3 will give you more grunt on low end but that block has about a 6500rpm redline and dosent like to go far beyond that! i could see taking an H22 and throwing in a F23/H23 crank but now we are just defeating the whole purpose of what we want (VTEC, high revs, etc.) now maybe that can be sovled with a cam that makes VTEC changeover seemless (skunk 2 pro 2) but that only flattens the powerband and eliminates the classic VTEC change over witch makes daily driving a bit*h and sucky idle (you may not care tho)!

H22- this is what we want! a motor that is in fine working order has VTEC, has high revs, and makes horsepower the best way honda knows how! if you want an H-series beast here
68mm throttle body
H22 type s intake manifold
ported head
skunk 2 stage 2 cams
mahle 10.5:1 comp gold series pistons
shaved block (ups the comp. .5)
Ti valve springs retainers etc
decent header and exhaust
matted to an H22 trans.

keep in mind this is my first build but in the last month this is what i've learned! it's a hard pill to swallow but H22 just out weighs by sheer convience! i'll shut up now!

oh and feel free to get me straight if i did something wrong this IS my FIRST build, hope it helps tho!

[.::UNKNOWN::.]

ok bro i was attempting this plann of action and here's what i came across!

H23- great motor for torque but like any honda VTEC engine it makes it's horsepower on the top end of the powerband, yes i know the 2.3 will give you more grunt on low end but that block has about a 6500rpm redline and dosent like to go far beyond that! i could see taking an H22 and throwing in a F23/H23 crank but now we are just defeating the whole purpose of what we want (VTEC, high revs, etc.) now maybe that can be sovled with a cam that makes VTEC changeover seemless (skunk 2 pro 2) but that only flattens the powerband and eliminates the classic VTEC change over witch makes daily driving a bit*h and sucky idle (you may not care tho)!

H22- this is what we want! a motor that is in fine working order has VTEC, has high revs, and makes horsepower the best way honda knows how! if you want an H-series beast here
68mm throttle body
H22 type s intake manifold
ported head
skunk 2 stage 2 cams
mahle 10.5:1 comp gold series pistons
shaved block (ups the comp. .5)
Ti valve springs retainers etc
decent header and exhaust
matted to an H22 trans.

keep in mind this is my first build but in the last month this is what i've learned! it's a hard pill to swallow but H22 just out weighs by sheer convience! i'll shut up now!

oh and feel free to get me straight if i did something wrong this IS my FIRST build, hope it helps tho!

i like the build set up this site may help you with what you need www.zealautowerks.com

[TheChosenOne]

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YOUR THE BEST!!!

Just when I was about to go do some ignorant niggga s****, ya'll bring my high asss back down.
I will admit, I was set on that phacking H23/Vtec, and only my mother with "Jesus", himself, in hand, would have stopped me! But all of you are right, and I just didn't want to hear it. But just hear what I wanted my setup to be, and see how something of this nature could have been appealing to Honda-Whore such as myself:

H22 head w/STOCK cams & valvetrain w/a mild port
OEM H22 Headgasket
ARP Head Studs
OEM H22 Type-S pistons
STOCK H23 Rods shot peened & polished
OEM H23 Crank balanced

(I would have had all of the bottomend balanced with the flywheel & clutch)
EVO H2B kit
GSR Tranny

...and I'M NOT DONE YET! I WANTED to put all this in a EG or a EJ. Now, of course this was going to take atleast two years to do, but I wanted to build the motor before I had the car.

BUT... With that being said... .

...ashes to ashes and dust to dust... ........

Aight NOW!!! Enough with that BITCHASSNESS!!


Now, I'll probably just keep saving up, and get the other CAR first, then work my way up to the H2Bizzie. I guess I was just trying to put the cart before the horse...

STOOPID reps to all ya'll for keeping me from phacking up my credit with credit card booboo's from chasing a Unicorn-motor.

[.::UNKNOWN::.]

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You guys...... .....


YOUR THE BEST!!!

Just when I was about to go do some ignorant niggga s****, ya'll bring my high asss back down.
I will admit, I was set on that phacking H23/Vtec, and only my mother with "Jesus", himself, in hand, would have stopped me! But all of you are right, and I just didn't want to hear it. But just hear what I wanted my setup to be, and see how something of this nature could have been appealing to Honda-Whore such as myself:

H22 head w/STOCK cams & valvetrain w/a mild port
OEM H22 Headgasket
ARP Head Studs
OEM H22 Type-S pistons
STOCK H23 Rods shot peened & polished
OEM H23 Crank balanced

(I would have had all of the bottomend balanced with the flywheel & clutch)
EVO H2B kit
GSR Tranny

...and I'M NOT DONE YET! I WANTED to put all this in a EG or a EJ. Now, of course this was going to take atleast two years to do, but I wanted to build the motor before I had the car.

BUT... With that being said... .

...ashes to ashes and dust to dust... ........

Aight NOW!!! Enough with that BITCHASSNESS!!


Now, I'll probably just keep saving up, and get the other CAR first, then work my way up to the H2Bizzie. I guess I was just trying to put the cart before the horse...

STOOPID reps to all ya'll for keeping me from phacking up my credit with credit card booboo's from chasing a Unicorn-motor.

hey but why dont you still be different and get an h23 put type s pistons and a mild cam then you would have a high compression non vtec motor in an eg or ej.... i have talked about this with my prelude buddies and the math works in the favor of anybody who does this