Skyline runs the Nurburgring.. in 7.38

[1000cckiller]

all that about the skyline at the ring is old. and the only reason it beat the gt3 is b/c thats the time that the type 2 NUR or w/e version that is ran. the set that car up PERFECTLY for that track. the gt3 comes factory only 1 sec. slower on a ~12 mile track.

a skyline is just a hyped up tank with alot of power.

STFU noob!

[Pavlo]

all that about the skyline at the ring is old. and the only reason it beat the gt3 is b/c thats the time that the type 2 NUR or w/e version that is ran. the set that car up PERFECTLY for that track. the gt3 comes factory only 1 sec. slower on a ~12 mile track.

a skyline is just a hyped up tank with alot of power.

Finally somebody said this. And all the people who said GT3 is ****, I hope you were joking. If you'd rather have a skyline then the Porsche, you've killed too many brain cells. Don't get me wrong, a skyline is an awesome car, and I do know it's got power and potential, but it's still only a Nissan. You can make it fast, or handle good, but it's never gonna have a character or that exquisite look you get in a European car.
A Porsche will always be a Porsche, a classic sports car that has a history. It's always gonna have character, looks, and prestige.

Sports cars are created in Europe, not on the straights of Kansas, or the roads of Osaka.

And now I bet a bunch of biased japanese-car owners are going to bash me, and say that the Skyline is the best thing human beings ever invented.
And before you say anything, or bash the European cars (which unfortunately what this thread came down to), look at this (now you don't have to wonder what Nissan engineers decided to make a copy of):

[Elbow]

Finally somebody said this. And all the people who said GT3 is ****, I hope you were joking. If you'd rather have a skyline then the Porsche, you've killed too many brain cells. Don't get me wrong, a skyline is an awesome car, and I do know it's got power and potential, but it's still only a Nissan. You can make it fast, or handle good, but it's never gonna have a character or that exquisite look you get in a European car.
A Porsche will always be a Porsche, a classic sports car that has a history. It's always gonna have character, looks, and prestige.

Sports cars are created in Europe, not on the straights of Kansas, or the roads of Osaka.

And now I bet a bunch of biased japanese-car owners are going to bash me, and say that the Skyline is the best thing human beings ever invented.
And before you say anything, or bash the European cars (which unfortunately what this thread came down to), look at this (now you don't have to wonder what Nissan engineers decided to make a copy of):

[Ran]

Finally somebody said this. And all the people who said GT3 is ****, I hope you were joking. If you'd rather have a skyline then the Porsche, you've killed too many brain cells. Don't get me wrong, a skyline is an awesome car, and I do know it's got power and potential, but it's still only a Nissan. You can make it fast, or handle good, but it's never gonna have a character or that exquisite look you get in a European car.
A Porsche will always be a Porsche, a classic sports car that has a history. It's always gonna have character, looks, and prestige.

I'd rather take a GT-R than a Porsche. It's "only" a Nissan? Big f*cking deal. Get off the high horse and look at the car itself rather than the badge. You talk about character? Aside from a Carrera GT or Cayman, I've yet to see anything from Porsche since the 80's that's been even relatively exciting to me. It's more like they're rehashing the same old sh*t over and over again. It's boring and before you make any backlash, yes I have driven them. They're fun little sports cars, but they're definitely not the cars that they used to be. Want to sell me a European car? Give me a BMW anyday.

Then you talk about having history. I wasn't aware that the GT-R had no racing history. I'm assuming then that you don't want to talk about how it practically dominated the JGTC then? My apologies.

Sports cars are created in Europe, not on the straights of Kansas, or the roads of Osaka.

Oh, the sad elitism is killing me. Your post may have actually had a small shred of merit had it not been for this arogant spatter you stained it with here.

And now I bet a bunch of biased japanese-car owners are going to bash me, and say that the Skyline is the best thing human beings ever invented.

I'm not Japanese-biased by far, which is more than I can say for the elitism that you seem to be accustomed to. Is the Skyline the best car ever? Hell no, not by a long shot. Even still, the GT-R is a fine example of Japanese performance and I expect to see even more examples of Asian engineering to follow behind it. If your Doc Martens are shaking because you're afraid of a little competition then you're about to be sent up sh*t creek without even a boat. Get off the elitism and realize that great sportscars come from all reaches of the world.

[1000cckiller]

I'd rather take a GT-R than a Porsche. It's "only" a Nissan? Big f*cking deal. Get off the high horse and look at the car itself rather than the badge. You talk about character? Aside from a Carrera GT or Cayman, I've yet to see anything from Porsche since the 80's that's been even relatively exciting to me. It's more like they're rehashing the same old sh*t over and over again. It's boring and before you make any backlash, yes I have driven them. They're fun little sports cars, but they're definitely not the cars that they used to be. Want to sell me a European car? Give me a BMW anyday.

Then you talk about having history. I wasn't aware that the GT-R had no racing history. I'm assuming then that you don't want to talk about how it practically dominated the JGTC then? My apologies.

Oh, the sad elitism is killing me. Your post may have actually had a small shred of merit had it not been for this arogant spatter you stained it with here.

I'm by far Japanse-biased, which is more than I can say for the elitism that you seem to be accustomed to. Is the Skyline the best car ever? Hell no, not by a long shot. Even still, the GT-R is a fine example of Japanese performance and I expect to see even more examples of Asian engineering to follow behind it. If your Doc Martens are shaking because you're afraid of a little competition then you're about to be sent up sh*t creek without even a boat. Get off the elitism and realize that great sportscars come from all reaches of the world.

getem Ran.lolx2

[Pavlo]

I'd rather take a GT-R than a Porsche. It's "only" a Nissan? Big f*cking deal. Get off the high horse and look at the car itself rather than the badge. You talk about character? Aside from a Carrera GT or Cayman, I've yet to see anything from Porsche since the 80's that's been even relatively exciting to me. It's more like they're rehashing the same old sh*t over and over again. It's boring and before you make any backlash, yes I have driven them. They're fun little sports cars, but they're definitely not the cars that they used to be. Want to sell me a European car? Give me a BMW anyday.

Any of the GT_ cars, and all of the RS versions are some of the best, and most beautiful cars ever made. Just because they keep making RR cars, doesnt mean that Porsche just redoes their old cars.
I do agree that the best ones were from the 80s, but even now take the 996 GT2, 3.6L twin turbo, rear engine, rear wheel drive car, with no abs or traction control bull*****. If thats not exciting, what is?

Then you talk about having history. I wasn't aware that the GT-R had no racing history. I'm assuming then that you don't want to talk about how it practically dominated the JGTC then? My apologies.

I talked about the history of the car maker as whole, read more carefully next time. Even then, Nissan won in one class, whith a car designed to win in that one and only class. Try LeMans, Porsches record in the 917 will never be beaten, ever. Or take rally, Porsche won countless times there as well, or GT.
So if you want to argue about who has more history you might want to hit up Porsche's web sites, and read the history section before you start listing all the Nissan wins.

Oh, the sad elitism is killing me. Your post may have actually had a small shred of merit had it not been for this arogant spatter you stained it with here.

The quote makes sense if you actually think about it, instead of telling me that it proves me being biased. Car manufacturers made cars around the world to compliment its surrounding people and roads. America got its Muscle cars, Europeans are known for their elegant sports cars, and Japanese for their small, nimble compacts. Over the years people just started competing with each other, making all kinds of cars.
Make a list of all the car manufacturers racing in the 1930s, now how many aren't European?

I'm not Japanese-biased by far, which is more than I can say for the elitism that you seem to be accustomed to. Is the Skyline the best car ever? Hell no, not by a long shot. Even still, the GT-R is a fine example of Japanese performance and I expect to see even more examples of Asian engineering to follow behind it. If your Doc Martens are shaking because you're afraid of a little competition then you're about to be sent up sh*t creek without even a boat. Get off the elitism and realize that great sportscars come from all reaches of the world.

I am not biased either, my post started from people bashing Porsches, not from me bashing Skyline. You just f*cking attack me like I just took a mad dump on the Japanese car world. My post was made to show people who said **** about the Porsche, how its a crap car, so I defended it by stating my opinion. Whats wrong here?
And yes, GT-R is a fine example of Japanese performance, did I ever say it wasn't? No, I said that even though its a bad-ass car, its still a Nissan. I do like it as a car. I like 3000gt vr4, the Supras, Skylines; But when it comes to Porsche vs all of those cars, I'd take the Porsche any day of the year.
Yes I like Porsches and European cars, but I am not biased regarding them. I've owned a Civic, DA Integra, B13 Sentra, E30 325 Bimmer, and now own a VW GTI; And don't mind owning another Japanese car. I am a car enthusiast, not a euro-car enthusiast, despite the fact that it might have seemed otherwise in my original post.
The only reason I posted here for was to defend the Euro cars, as everybody was saying "Yeah, shows that europeans aint ****." Judging from your post you'd probably be one of the people to say same exact thing.

I don't understand why am I even explaining myself to you, as you are the one who dissed Porsche in your post, and you are the one who defended the Skyline. I did the opposite, so now you are doing the same exact thing I did in my first post. We might agree eventually on certain things in the end of the argument, but neither you, nor me will say "Yeah you are right, and I am wrong," so I am not gonna keep arguing with you. I made my point, you made yours, I think we can close the debate now.

[81911SC]

Porsche has had over 28,000 racing victories. That is no where close to going anywhere but the top. I think once they switched to the 996 era it was going downhill for sure. The 996 GT2 named the "Widow maker" is named that for a reason. Look at the new 997 GT2, trust me, they still have some spirit.

[Ran]

Any of the GT_ cars, and all of the RS versions are some of the best, and most beautiful cars ever made. Just because they keep making RR cars, doesnt mean that Porsche just redoes their old cars.
I do agree that the best ones were from the 80s, but even now take the 996 GT2, 3.6L twin turbo, rear engine, rear wheel drive car, with no abs or traction control bull*****. If thats not exciting, what is?

I don't mind the GT2. I've never doubted Porsche's performance factors either. However, as far as fresh ideas go, the only things I've seen different from Porsche lately are the Cayenne and that new 4-door atrocity that I won't even bother to recall the name of. Both vehicles that are a big ball of failure in my eyes. That being said, I believe that Porsche should continue to make sportscars, but they need to get some fresh designs out. Not more cars that look like every other Porsche on the lot.

I talked about the history of the car maker as whole, read more carefully next time. Even then, Nissan won in one class, whith a car designed to win in that one and only class. Try LeMans, Porsches record in the 917 will never be beaten, ever. Or take rally, Porsche won countless times there as well, or GT.
So if you want to argue about who has more history you might want to hit up Porsche's web sites, and read the history section before you start listing all the Nissan wins.

Who's arguing wins? I never discredited Porsche's racing history. You discredited Nissan's. Nissan fought hard in JGTC and then won overwhelmingly, but that's hardly the only spot they've been successful. Ever looked up the Nissan Rally Raid Team for the Dakar Rally? Even today, SOHC S13 240SX's do well in GT3 lightweight and the 350Z still competes strongly in the Grand Am series which is predominately ruled by Porsche.

The quote makes sense if you actually think about it, instead of telling me that it proves me being biased. Car manufacturers made cars around the world to compliment its surrounding people and roads. America got its Muscle cars, Europeans are known for their elegant sports cars, and Japanese for their small, nimble compacts. Over the years people just started competing with each other, making all kinds of cars.
Make a list of all the car manufacturers racing in the 1930s, now how many aren't European?

Perhaps your meaning had merit, but your wording did not. I agree that cars are made for their environment, but for you to say that "real sports car only come from Europe" is like taking a dump and trying to serve it as filet mignon. The 1930's? American car makers were well into racing as Ford, Oldsmobile, and other continued to advance the market along site Citroen, Bugatti, and others. The Japanese car market hadn't even come into existance yet.

I am not biased either, my post started from people bashing Porsches, not from me bashing Skyline. You just f*cking attack me like I just took a mad dump on the Japanese car world. My post was made to show people who said **** about the Porsche, how its a crap car, so I defended it by stating my opinion. Whats wrong here?

Defending something and retaliating are two completely different things. Instead of blurting out nonsense like "it's just a Nissan" or "real sports cars come from Europe, not on the straights of Kansas or the roads of Osaka" you simply could have defended your make by posting a comparison or stating Porsche's successful racing history like you did in comment to my post. I didn't attack you, I pointed out your overhyped and seemingly elitist post. As for the GT-R sackriders, the only post I saw that even remotely bashed the GT3 was from Pure JDM and the phrase was limited to "THATS RIGHT F you 997 GT3 B!tch!" as the first post. Aside from that, there was no post that I saw discrediting the Porsche. Therefore, that would make your over-zealous retaliation a little out of place. That's what is wrong here.

And yes, GT-R is a fine example of Japanese performance, did I ever say it wasn't? No, I said that even though its a bad-ass car, its still a Nissan. I do like it as a car. I like 3000gt vr4, the Supras, Skylines; But when it comes to Porsche vs all of those cars, I'd take the Porsche any day of the year.
Yes I like Porsches and European cars, but I am not biased regarding them. I've owned a Civic, DA Integra, B13 Sentra, E30 325 Bimmer, and now own a VW GTI; And don't mind owning another Japanese car. I am a car enthusiast, not a euro-car enthusiast, despite the fact that it might have seemed otherwise in my original post.
The only reason I posted here for was to defend the Euro cars, as everybody was saying "Yeah, shows that europeans aint ****." Judging from your post you'd probably be one of the people to say same exact thing.

Look at my other posts and you'll hardly see me saying that European's aren't sh*t. I'm not here to bash you for being a fan of European cars. I simply jumped in as your post was the first of it's kinda in this thread. The text that I bolded in your post defines why I counter your initial post. You may have had good intentions, but your initial post was a bit rash.

I don't understand why am I even explaining myself to you, as you are the one who dissed Porsche in your post, and you are the one who defended the Skyline. I did the opposite, so now you are doing the same exact thing I did in my first post. We might agree eventually on certain things in the end of the argument, but neither you, nor me will say "Yeah you are right, and I am wrong," so I am not gonna keep arguing with you. I made my point, you made yours, I think we can close the debate now.

I would have hoped that your explaination would mean that you're understanding and would hope to find some common ground between us. The only bashing I did against Porsche was the fact that I find their vehicle line up boring in terms of originality. Which I still do and will stand by. As for finding out who is right or wrong, there's no need. In an argument over preference, there is no right or wrong. The only difference lies in how we portray them.

I hope that this post has provided some form of reasoning to our misunderstandings.

[R32Dragon]

Damn, knocked a bunch of Euro supercars off their high horse.

[The Ninja]

^^ x2

[Thighs]

^^x2. that car is one of the best cars ever made. i saw one a petit le mans and holy **** it was sexy.

thats the car that got group b rally banned from FIA rules.

[BTLFED]

^^x2. that car is one of the best cars ever made. i saw one a petit le mans and holy **** it was sexy.

thats the car that got group b rally banned from FIA rules.

Group B was not banned because of ****ing all wheel drive.

ALL the cars in that category were too fast and unsafe.

[Thighs]

the audi was the fastest. by far.
and audi wasnt the only car to have awd... the rs200 had it too...

[BTLFED]

the audi was the fastest. by far.
and audi wasnt the only car to have awd... the rs200 had it too...

What is your ****ing point? THE CLASS WAS DEEMED UNSAFE. Not just a goddamned Audi. If it was JUST the Audi they would have put ****ing restrictions on THAT CAR. Do yourself a favor and just stop posting. You don't know ****. --------------------------->

[Thighs]

wow, way to get all bent out of shape over a forum...

[BTLFED]

wow, way to get all bent out of shape over a forum...

I'm not bent out of shape. You are an idiot.

[Thighs]

naa...

[chituntang]

Audi did not invent AWD. They just combined it with rally car and it was successful. What's wrong with Nissan combined AWD with their car? R32 GTR won 24 out of 24 races in group A races back in the days. As far as I can remember, Audi did not.

I agree with the point of owning a Porsche rather than a Nissan though.

[Tuan]

the new 2008 gt2 does it in 7.32

[DrivenMind]

My word that is a fast automobile. It's soooo much faster than I thought it would be...

Like most, I don't care for the styling, but I'd imagine Nissan will refine it with time. Nissan nailed the design on the 350z, and G35; don't know why it's so hard to do with the Skyline.

[OneSlow5pt0]

y dont they run the new models...like the Zonda S or the SLR 722

[VooDooXII]

y dont they run the new models...like the Zonda S or the SLR 722

You mean Zonda F?

[OneSlow5pt0]

You mean Zonda F?

sorry,ur right the F is the new one and the S was the first ones

[Pavlo]

Audi was the first to put the all wheel drive in a light weight car, rather then having it in an SUV.

I am not bashing skyline, yes its nice, especially for the money; I do hate the fact that everybody started bashing the European cars, that why I even posted in here.

[JITB]

i remember a same thread sort of like this when the 350z first came out...lol

and the rx8... and everything else that gets remodeled...

noone can back up any claims for the gtr without facts.. only time will tell.

And group B cars..alwyas have a soft spot in my heart! *tear*

[Thighs]

well... the radical pwned everything.

/thread.

[Elbow]

well... the radical pwned everything.

/thread.

Smartest thing you have ever said. Radicals are fun fast cars....on a race track. Only Europe has street legal versions I believe

[Ran]

Smartest thing you have ever said. Radicals are fun fast cars....on a race track. Only Europe has street legal versions I believe

Goofy looking cars, but I bet they're fun as hell.

[mocha latte cupcake]

thank you amy san for taking over the thread with your wisdom you've saved me from reading all the retard "porsche" are better posts

[Ran]

thank you amy san for taking over the thread with your wisdom you've saved me from reading all the retard "porsche" are better posts

I'm not one to declare one maker superior to another. I just hate elitism, whether it be from GTR-fanboys or Eurofags.

[IronEagle]

Damn that's quick.

[dorin48]

Fast car and fast driver.

Ran, you said it best. I am starting to hate newer cars because of the electronics.(Porches, Nissans and anything else) I felt complete detached from my MS3. Was it quick? Hell yes. Was it fun? eh. I have a lot of respect for cars pre-00'. A time when the ecu didn't dictate the cars characteristics and make up for driver mistakes.

[mocha latte cupcake]

hooray!

and quiet amy san! you're on my side

[81911SC]

I would never EVER buy a Skyline over a 911.

[mocha latte cupcake]

someone is bias...



Skyline > 911.... nothing porsche makes catches my eye they all look the same... caymen and carrera GT are the only ones that look different to me...

[81911SC]

Not bias, just opinion. I would take a Boxster first.

[Ran]

Not bias, just opinion. I would take a Boxster first.

I like your Porsche. I consider it a car that really shows what Porsche used to be. The new cookie-cutter cars they put out now? Not so much.

[81911SC]

I like your Porsche. I consider it a car that really shows what Porsche used to be. The new cookie-cuter cars they put out now? Not so much.

O I totally agree. Porsche is just a status symbol now. Kp3power agrees also, he made my sig.

[OneSlow5pt0]

O I totally agree. Porsche is just a status symbol now. Kp3power agrees also, he made my sig.

i really dont like new porsches aside from the carrera(sp) GT

right now,i think Benz and Audi are the best german cars....well,imo..lol

but u dont have a attachment to new porsches as u do with the old ones,same goes for ferrari,lambo and jaguar

[81911SC]

i really dont like new porsches aside from the carrera(sp) GT

right now,i think Benz and Audi are the best german cars....well,imo..lol

but u dont have a attachment to new porsches as u do with the old ones,same goes for ferrari,lambo and jaguar

I don't think I could get attached to a car that broke down everytime you drove it, or cought fire.