German Muscle vs. Japanese Hustle (335i vs IS350)

[DinanM3atl]

people buy BMWs not cause their fast or handle good,its because people want to be like rich people,and thats what they drive.....

Um what?

Yah thats why BMWCCA Peachtree Chapter holds 3 HPDE's a year. There are atleast 100 other chapters and they do the same. They run Auto-X and Time Trials and BMWCCA Club Racing.

Where is your data and research to prove this?

Maybe it is because people with money to spend want something nice? That could also be another reason. Just an idea.

What's going to happen is there is going to be another poll, and everyone will talk about how awesome toyota is [for the exact same reasons you've outlined here].

NA FTMFW any day of the week

-jonathan

Funny the Poll is BMW 31 and Lexus 28. Seems as though plenty of people voted BMW but then they will be made fun of and ridiculed by everyone on here

Actually, I do not agree. I have an alternate theory. One that does not include the conspirasy of making recyclable cars.

This will be great I am sure. Where did I say it was a conspiracy? Can't seem to find that. I think you don't understand that a car dealer and a car maker are in the business to MAKE MONEY! Service makes a large large large portion of the dealers profits. If you don't understand this I cannot help you.

Actually synthetic oil WILL last that long, but regular oil will not. As the lubrication in the engine improves you should be able to go longer intervals before changing the oil. This is provided that the addatives also last long enough, and the filtering of the oil is efficient enough.

Hmmm. They use the same paper filters and spin on filters they have been using for 40 years. But damn the oil will last 15,000 miles. I can't tell you how many cars that are running on factory 15K Oil intervals and I have had to take PIECES of oil filter out of the housing or the spin on filter is just filled with a paper smoothie.

The oil will start to break down. It is a TON of heat cycles and a lot of stop and go and hi-rev driving over 15,000 miles. I have seen a motor at 65,000 miles that went on factory 15,000 mile changes and it had so much sludge it had to be replaced. Dealer covered it obviously as it was still under warranty.

This is beyond the fact that Synthetic oil was originally designed for Jet engines for the military and then commercial air industry whichs uses a different type of lubrication system. It was and still is not technically designed for the internal combustion engine. It works, works decently well but some areas of the lubrication process, regular oil(which is what I run EXCEPT at the race track) is far superior. Do some research. Synthetic oil is not all it is cracked up to be. Kind of like Bose. Great marketing for a decent product so it becomes "AMAZING!!!!"

Years ago the manufacturing process was not able to achieve the tight tolerances that they are able to meet today. What does that mean? You don't have to figure in a extremely large factor of safety in when designing the components, just to overcome the manufacturing defficiencies. You are able to use a smaller factor of safety, which saves both money and weight.

So that means everything breaks? I don't understand. So shitty old manufacturering made a control arm bushing last for 200,000 miles on an 89 BMW but the new and improved only last 80,000 miles? That is ENGINEERED into the part.

You say there are more and more plastics?! Yes, they are light-weight and cheap. Years ago they were not able to manufacture the complex shapes required for certaint parts on the car, and they were also not able to hold the tight tolerances needed. Due to advancements in these areas, plastics are able to be more widely used. Why? Because they are light and cheap. You want good gass milage while having a powerful car? You then need to have that car be a light as possible.

Again. The old plastic parts in my older car. Hell even my old jeep didn't break but the new plastics break. They just make them thinner to "save weight" but in reality it is to save 1/2 cent per piece. They don't care if it breaks because those pieces aren't covered under warranty if YOU break them. So you buy another one.

You still fail to realize why a company exist. TO MAKE MONEY!!!

Oh, and your arguement on the O2 sensors? Talk to the government, not the auto makers. As the requirements for cleaner and cleaner emmissions increases, you will have things like this. You used to be able to get away with 1 O2 sensor, and 1 CAT. Now you need to have a CAT as close to the exhaust manifold as possible to heat up quickly, for clean emmissions upon startup and then you need one down-stream for further emmissions requirements. You also need an O2 sensor to make sure the CAT is functioning.

Ok. So that is 1 before and 1 after the cat in the header. So why do we need 4?