German Muscle vs. Japanese Hustle (335i vs IS350)

[DinanM3atl]

These damn debates always end up the same. For some reason, some BMW owners can't handle anyone saying anything negative about the "ultimate driving machine"...

Yah. Because false information is posted by a bunch of internet car jockies that have no business even discussing or insulting one car or the other.

#1. This debate wasn't even started nor did it ever mention the "M" series AT ALL. It was 335i vs IS350. THAT was it. How come the BMW nutswingers have to always rely on the ONLY bullet that noone can dispute, the "M"? Great, so the "M" is a badass car most of the time.....SO??? Is the 335i an "M"???? NOOOOOO. So why bring it up? Apples to 747's, way to go Einstein.

Why can't I compare it to an M? My 2 generation old M3 which can be had for 15-20K can spank the shit out of the IS350. But I guess that is a big no no. Let's continue on and compare it to a 3 series then.

#2. How in the world can you slober all over yourself when you try to defend the already KNOWN prowess of an "M3" by saying you have to DRIVE one to understand it when you yourself have obviously NOT driven the car being discussed....the Lexus IS350??? Hello Kettle, my name is POT...

I drove an is300. It is a shitbox. Why should I got drive the new one when they set a goal of 3 series beater and the is300 wasn't better than my 89 325i. There are 2 Japanese cars I have driven that I would consider worth my while. STI and Supra. Z cars are turds. Evo is a turd(Take that back. The overall car is a turd, the drivetrain is great.)

This argument is stupid. Of course an "M" anything is badass, damn it SHOULD be. It is after all the top of their respective line, right? If it wasn't, then BMW has no business being in the car world. The regular 3 series is NOT an "M". Never has been, never will be. It may be it's little brother or second cousin twice removed, but it ISN'T an "M". Argue with that.

Can't. It's not an M.

I still stand by my one and only statement: It is not a fair comparo to pit an N/A car that is supposed to be in the same class against it's adversary which is FI. It just isn't even if the raw data numbers seem to used to justify it. An FI car will have inherent attributes that an N/A motor (of equal or lesser value ) can't have. Don't bring in monster domestic motors into it either. That's not what we're talking about here.

Why? They compared the Audi S4 to the M3 of the last body style. Not fair. e46 M3 verse v8 s4. Not fair. S4 has v8. You sound like a honda guy.

Indisputable data:

BEFORE the intro of the TWIN TURBO 335i, what was the 3 series non "M" BMW to the IS350??? Was it still the "ultimate driving machine"? It was underpowered and outclassed. Fast forward to 07 and now look.....what's the BIG difference???? TWIN TURBOS. How about we compare N/A to N/A in the exact same lines? How about a comparo between the 328 and the IS350? 70+ HP and 70+ TQ for the IS350. How do you think the BMW will compare then??? And that is with BMW's "new and improved and more powerful than ever" I6. N/A to N/A there is no comparo. [/QUOTE]

So Lexus gets to bring the top of the linke IS(minus the F) but BMW has to bring the shittiest? That is fucking retarded. Let's just bring a 316i from Europe and compare that to the is350. It would only be fair. You again sound like thr typical IA user. Oh +70hp and +70lb/ft torque. Holy shit the MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT!!!! If you want to compare that shouldn't we compare the is250 to the 328i? The 350 vs the 335? What you are really saying is "Damn BMW engineers did something great and Lexus current car can't compete. UNFAIR COMPARISSON!!!" Bullshit.

No one said Lexus can't use a turbo or blower. This is why AMG always has more power. They are CHEATING with large displacement and blowers!

So just like I said, BMW nutswingers are bragging about how the 335i so much better performance wise than an IS350, yet it took TWIN TURBOS to do it.

Again. Honda guy mentality. "They cheated". My 99 M3 is better. An 02 M3(which can be had for 25,000... far less than the is350) is WAY better and makes MORE power N/A! Give me a break man. Quit getting mad that BMW used a turbo. Toyota cheated when they turbo'd the Supra. What cheaters. Otherwise their car wouldn't have been good. That just sounds stupid.

I'll say it again for all the haters and nutswingers. The 335i looks to be an exceptional car. I've not drove one YET, but I'm sure I'll be happy when I finally do. I've driven the IS350 quite a bit. I'll be happy to compare them to each other. As a matter of fact, Lexus drive event is coming in October. Unlike other manufacturers, Lexus brings brand new factory COMPETITORS cars for everyone to compare side-by-side. I'm sure they'll bring the 335i then. I'll thrash the crap out of it and wager my opinion on it. Until then.... .....It took TWIN TURBOS to get the same numbers that an N/A motor got....you wanna swing off that, cool.

This is retarded... hmmm let's see what BMW has done with 6 cylinders over the years since you seem to be nut swinging this motor so hard.

1988 S38 3.5L I-6 286 HP
1991 S38B38 3.8L I-6 340 HP
1994 S50B30 3.0L I-6 286 HP
1996 S50B32 3.2L I-6 321 HP
2001 S54 3.2L I-6 333 HP

So.... It took you guys 20 years to get to 300hp out of a 6 cylinder! Good Job guys!

On top of ALL of this... The 335 motor is WAY underrated. Claims 300hp on paper. It puts down ~285 to the wheels on the dyno. Do the math